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[Gatt9]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...


It's very likely that they Shipped 1 million units,  not sold.

Why does that matter? If they ship it, that is what the retailers order, they then already paid for the copies, so technically, it is sold. Only the retailer (outside of digital downloads) know how many actually went out the door to the end user. Whether or not there is some contract clause where the publishers takes back copies due to poor end sales is another question.

That's a very good question sir,

The reason it matters is because most major Retailers have contracts that force the Publisher to buy back either all copies or X surplus copies after a period of so many months.  So shipped does not necessarily equal sold,  and it's another reason why public companies make certain not to use the word.

If they claimed 1,000,000 copies sold,  then were forced to rebuy 500,000 of them,  they'd be guilty of making false financial statements and shareholder could sue them as well as SEC involvement.

Pretty much any major Retailer will have that clause in their contract.  They've sufficient clout to make Publishers fear not being on their shelves,  and force them to take responsibility for poor sales.

Note how Bioware's trying very hard to move copies right now at any price?  It's very possible they're trying to avoid the charge-backs by offering something that wouldn't be a loss to them,  even if it's only a $2 profit.  Because that $2 profit is alot better than having to buy it back and pay destruction costs resulting in negative cash flow.

I understand and agree what you are point to. However I wont agree on 1 Million sales whether they included the word sold or not. Yes they might include anything of DA2 which adds into the game in the total sales figure. They may even include the steam or digital sales which occur through downloads from their site which many sites never taken into account since they do not have data of it.

Very good point,  it never occurred to me that they might be including DLC in their "Count".

[TheMadCat]

SuperBaggles1 wrote...


Um...1 million copies is pretty freaking good for any video game not named Madden or CoD or Halo.

Not really, not for an AAA title. Homefront; a generic FPS with medicore multiplayer, average reviews, and a new IP managed to do a million in a couple of days. A million really isn't all that special these days for a major developer/ publisher with an established IP>.

[Gatt9]

Volourn wrote...

"DAO sold 3.2 million units.
ME2 sold 1.6 million units.
DA2 might have sold 1 million units."

Your numbers are so off. ME2 sold as much if not more than DA1.

DA2 is stille arly and has sold more than 1 mil copies in less thann 2 weeks and is currently faster paced than DA1.

That said, EA likely over paid and is demanding too much of BIO b/c BIO is not 'mainstream' in the same way Blizzard or the Sims are. They never were, and never will be.

Taken from here.

http://en.wikipedia....360_video_games

You're also making the mistake of assuming they sold 1,000,000 copies.  Go reread the statement again,  they never claim they sold 1,000,000.

[MingWolf]

1000questions wrote...

Well, they are saying it officially, so we cant write off this claim so easily unless someone has audited sales records of DA2 title from EA/Bioware which is very unlikely to happen.
And to push the sales further and keep going they have come out with a smart move of giving AAA title which was also a goty by many free to download till 30th April ie ME2.

This means they are making sure that sales do not die before two months of the release.

Well you know, if they weren't in the practice of selective phrasing of certain reviewers on their website on how good this game is, then I might be a bit less skeptical about listening to such proclaimations of how well they are selling. 

I have no doubt they sold well enough to be competitive at a certain extent, though, mostly because of the success of DA:O, and the fact that their marketing is very clever indeed.  Still, I wouldn't mind having the chance to be able to look at their sales records, for at times, I feel that their PR lately has really not left a great impression on credibility.  That, and I'm a bit of a bean counter myself.

Giving away Mass Effect 2 is a very smart marketing move on their part.  A raise to their marketing team.  I do, however, wonder if the motivation is more for the sake of bolstering the sales value for Dragon Age 2 and less for the sake of celebrating.  Think about it: giving away a digital PC version of Mass Effect 2 likely doesn't cost the company anything, except for maybe bandwidth or whatnot, and the offer extends to those who buy on all platforms.  At the same time, the offer doesn't go the other way.  If I am not mistaken, at the moment, you cannot buy Mass Effect 2 and get DA2 for free.  Hm, hm, so do the revenues all get capitalized in DA2 then?  It would certainly boost the sales numbers and please the shareholders, surely.

A smart and clever move, really.  If I didn't already own ME2, I might have picked up an extra copy as well.  As a gamer, I would indeed be thankful.  As a bean counter, however, I am a bit concerned with motivations.  Not saying theres anything wrong, but with the way the game has been marketed, I sometimes ask whether certain business tactics like this are in-line with commonly accepted ethics. 

I love Bioware products, and I've followed all their titles for quite a few years now.  Since the inception of DA:O, though, their marketing really stood out as becoming more and more, for lack of a better word, aggressive.  I mean, they actually charged money for prank items (feastday items) in a DLC for DA:O?  Sure, thats what marketing should do, but I can't help but feeling an odd aftertaste in my mouth whenever I see something like that.  I'm also distrustful of modern marketing schemes in general, due to dishonesty, greed, and personal gains.  I've worked in marketing long enough to see how dishonesty can at times be the key to success. 

[Pedrak]

For the record, ME2 sold more than 6 million copies - counting all platforms, noy just XBox.

Modifié par Pedrak, 05 avril 2011 - 09:25 .

[Gatt9]

SuperBaggles1 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

SuperBaggles1 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

SuperBaggles1 wrote...


I'm pretty sure with the combined successes of Origins, Mass Effect 2, Awakening, DA2, and (likely) The Old Republic that EA has more than made up their investment.

I can't even begin to guess how you can guess that from just 3 games since the money spent buying out Bioware is a seperate from the money spent funding game production and operating Bioware.  Anyway the EA Bioware sales put up decent numbers if you ignore what EA wants from Bioware.

In all likelihood all 5 of those games were in development prior to EA buying out BioWare. I have a sneaking suspicion not nearly as much money as you seem to think was sunk into production of those games by EA.

You'd be wrong.  DAO was finished shortly after the purchase,  and then held up nearly a year due to EA's insistence.

DA2 was started under EA while DAO was on hold,  as was Awakening.  ME2 wasn't started until 2 years after EA bought Bioware,  and it's very clear from the design that EA had a hand in it.  TOR was in production prior.

DAO sold 3.2 million units.
ME2 sold 1.6 million units.
DA2 might have sold 1 million units.

That's a total of 5.8 million units,  being generous and saying they're getting $20 per copy sold,  they made about 116 million.

EA paid ~775 million for Bioware.

EA bought BioWare in 2008. Mass Effect 2 was released in 2010, which is 2 years later. How could a game of that scope be released the very same year production started?

Like I said...

http://kotaku.com/#!...ioware-pandemic

They were bought in 2007

http://www.gossipgam...or-xbox-360-pc/

Announced in 2009.

So like I said...

[Kail Ashton]

Shiny Things wrote...

From a post on another site, quite sad.  No wonder the game is already being discounted.



Dragon Age Origins

XBOX 360

Week 1 - 335,941
Week 2 - 173,230
Week 3 - 96,340

PS3

Week 1 - 155,660
Week 2 - 72,304
Week 3 - 80,920


Dragon Age 2

XBOX 360

Week 1 - 392,508
Week 2 - 128,897
Week 3 - 61,735

PS3

Week 1 - 163,410
Week 2 - 61,210
Week 3 - 35,455



XBOX 360

http://gamrreview.vg...n-age-origins/#
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

PS3

http://gamrreview.vg...on-age-origins/
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

lol so selling slightly, SLIGHTLY less in it's 2nd & 3rd weeks(despite strong 1st week sales, generaly the most importabnt in every entertainment industry) CLEARLY means the game epicly bombed and bioware will have to cancel the DA series for all eternity....

lol....it honestly amazes how easily manipulated most of you people are to the point i have to seriously question if any of you have any knid of free thought & opinions of your own? or are you indeed the mindless sheep i know you to be and will imedietly follow any train of thought by any half witt quasi clever enough to manipulate you to believe whatever he likes so long as it's as pessimistic as possible?

If i just said "y'know bioware made me hate blue cause of dragon age 2" i could most likely form all of you into some riot mob to go burn down every paint store in the country, it's pathetic, all of you are utterly incapible of reading between the lines and are merrily swayed by any troll seeking attention

[SuperBaggles1]

Gatt9 wrote...

SuperBaggles1 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

SuperBaggles1 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

SuperBaggles1 wrote...


I'm pretty sure with the combined successes of Origins, Mass Effect 2, Awakening, DA2, and (likely) The Old Republic that EA has more than made up their investment.

I can't even begin to guess how you can guess that from just 3 games since the money spent buying out Bioware is a seperate from the money spent funding game production and operating Bioware.  Anyway the EA Bioware sales put up decent numbers if you ignore what EA wants from Bioware.

In all likelihood all 5 of those games were in development prior to EA buying out BioWare. I have a sneaking suspicion not nearly as much money as you seem to think was sunk into production of those games by EA.

You'd be wrong.  DAO was finished shortly after the purchase,  and then held up nearly a year due to EA's insistence.

DA2 was started under EA while DAO was on hold,  as was Awakening.  ME2 wasn't started until 2 years after EA bought Bioware,  and it's very clear from the design that EA had a hand in it.  TOR was in production prior.

DAO sold 3.2 million units.
ME2 sold 1.6 million units.
DA2 might have sold 1 million units.

That's a total of 5.8 million units,  being generous and saying they're getting $20 per copy sold,  they made about 116 million.

EA paid ~775 million for Bioware.

EA bought BioWare in 2008. Mass Effect 2 was released in 2010, which is 2 years later. How could a game of that scope be released the very same year production started?

Like I said...

http://kotaku.com/#!...ioware-pandemic

They were bought in 2007

http://www.gossipgam...or-xbox-360-pc/

Announced in 2009.

So like I said...

Bethesda announced Skyrim a couple months ago and it's due to be released in November. Do you really think they're going to release a TES game with only 10 months of production time?

Start of production is not synonymous with the announcement of the game.

[Shirosaki17]

Pedrak wrote...

For the record, ME2 sold more than 6 million copies - counting all platforms, noy just XBox.

no it didn't. maybe 2-3 million but not 6 million.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 05 avril 2011 - 09:31 .

[MingWolf]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...


It's very likely that they Shipped 1 million units,  not sold.

Why
does that matter? If they ship it, that is what the retailers order,
they then already paid for the copies, so technically, it is sold. Only
the retailer (outside of digital downloads) know how many actually went
out the door to the end user. Whether or not there is some contract
clause where the publishers takes back copies due to poor end sales is
another question.

When they ship it to the retailers, the product is on consignment.  They cannot call it sales until they are actually sold to the hands of the end customer.  If they are, then they will be in trouble, sooner or later.

Modifié par MingWolf, 05 avril 2011 - 09:30 .

[Gatt9]

Pedrak wrote...

For the record, ME2 sold more than 6 million copies - counting all platforms, noy just XBox.

Doubtful.  None of the sites with hard numbers show anywhere near that.  EA's conference call linked on these boards in this thread...

http://social.biowar...index/2586260/4

Confirms 1.6 million.  Adding up the NPD numbers gives a similiar result,  meaning the only way they get that number is 5 million PC users downloading it.  Roughly 2.5 times as many people who bought it on the 360?  Unlikely.

[Volourn]

"Taken from here.

http://en.wikipedia....60_video_games"

You proven yourself untrustworthy via your own link. Nobody can trust your numbers because it's all your spin,

Let's look at the steps you took to 'prove' how much more DA1 sold than ME2.

1. You quote the famous 3.2 mil number that seems to be accepted as fact for DA1 over ALL systems.

2. Then you quote the 1.6mil copies that Wiki (which i have doubts) over has for ME2 selling for xbox 360.

3. According to that list DA didn't even sell 1mil copies on the 360 and isn't even on the list.

This is what we get from your numbers if they are to be belived:

ME2 sold 1.6mil copies on xbox 360 alone but sold zero on PS3 and PC

DA1 sold less than 1 mil copies on xbox 360 and over 2mil copies on the PC.

So.. how can we beleive that nonsense?

[Shirosaki17]

The 1.6 million number is from an EA press release for their shareholders 4 months after ME2 was released. Nice try princess.

[HarryThePlotter]

Volourn wrote...

"Taken from here.

http://en.wikipedia....360_video_games"

You proven yourself untrustworthy via your own link. Nobody can trust your numbers because it's all your spin,

Let's look at the steps you took to 'prove' how much more DA1 sold than ME2.

1. You quote the famous 3.2 mil number that seems to be accepted as fact for DA1 over ALL systems.

2. Then you quote the 1.6mil copies that Wiki (which i have doubts) over has for ME2 selling for xbox 360.

3. According to that list DA didn't even sell 1mil copies on the 360 and isn't even on the list.

This is what we get from your numbers if they are to be belived:

ME2 sold 1.6mil copies on xbox 360 alone but sold zero on PS3 and PC

DA1 sold less than 1 mil copies on xbox 360 and over 2mil copies on the PC.

So.. how can we beleive that nonsense?

Guys we can safely ignore Volourn. He's a troll from RPG codex. 

[1000questions]

MingWolf wrote...

Well you know, if they weren't in the practice of selective phrasing of certain reviewers on their website on how good this game is, then I might be a bit less skeptical about listening to such proclaimations of how well they are selling. 

I have no doubt they sold well enough to be competitive at a certain extent, though, mostly because of the success of DA:O, and the fact that their marketing is very clever indeed.  Still, I wouldn't mind having the chance to be able to look at their sales records, for at times, I feel that their PR lately has really not left a great impression on credibility.  That, and I'm a bit of a bean counter myself.

Giving away Mass Effect 2 is a very smart marketing move on their part.  A raise to their marketing team.  I do, however, wonder if the motivation is more for the sake of bolstering the sales value for Dragon Age 2 and less for the sake of celebrating.  Think about it: giving away a digital PC version of Mass Effect 2 likely doesn't cost the company anything, except for maybe bandwidth or whatnot, and the offer extends to those who buy on all platforms.  At the same time, the offer doesn't go the other way.  If I am not mistaken, at the moment, you cannot buy Mass Effect 2 and get DA2 for free.  Hm, hm, so do the revenues all get capitalized in DA2 then?  It would certainly boost the sales numbers and please the shareholders, surely.

A smart and clever move, really.  If I didn't already own ME2, I might have picked up an extra copy as well.  As a gamer, I would indeed be thankful.  As a bean counter, however, I am a bit concerned with motivations.  Not saying theres anything wrong, but with the way the game has been marketed, I sometimes ask whether certain business tactics like this are in-line with commonly accepted ethics. 

I love Bioware products, and I've followed all their titles for quite a few years now.  Since the inception of DA:O, though, their marketing really stood out as becoming more and more, for lack of a better word, aggressive.  I mean, they actually charged money for prank items (feastday items) in a DLC for DA:O?  Sure, thats what marketing should do, but I can't help but feeling an odd aftertaste in my mouth whenever I see something like that.  I'm also distrustful of modern marketing schemes in general, due to dishonesty, greed, and personal gains.  I've worked in marketing long enough to see how dishonesty can at times be the key to success. 

You have stated the essence of the feeling which anyone will get seeing the drama which EA/Bioware are conducting for sometime. This is a smart strategic move from EA/Bioware not a celeberation accolade.

This move might just pull their numbers straight a bit in important meetings.

[Pedrak]

http://www.vg247.com...eynote-develop/

Reliable? Dunno, really.

But at least it's a source-

Modifié par Pedrak, 05 avril 2011 - 09:36 .

[djackson75]

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1159804p1.html

BioWare today confirmed Dragon Age II has sold - not shipped - over 1 million copies worldwide in less than two weeks.

"Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start – breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than Dragon Age: Origins. We appreciate your support," the developer wrote.

[Pedrak]

So DA2 will probably end up selling at least 1,5 - 2 million copies. Not a smash it or the "10 million copies!!!" target, but certainly not the horrific bomb that would sink Bio as some thought. Especially considering how short the development was.

Modifié par Pedrak, 05 avril 2011 - 09:39 .

[HarryThePlotter]

djackson75 wrote...

http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1159804p1.html

BioWare today confirmed Dragon Age II has sold - not shipped - over 1 million copies worldwide in less than two weeks.

"Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start – breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than Dragon Age: Origins. We appreciate your support," the developer wrote.

Sound like shill.

Its an advertisement and not a review!

R00fles!

[Volourn]

It will end up selling 2.5-3.5mil copies when all is said and done.

[Shirosaki17]

Pedrak wrote...

http://www.vg247.com...eynote-develop/

Reliable? Dunno, really.

But at least it's a source-

Yeah that's BS. Doesn't match up with the EA announcing it sold 1.6 million in May of 2010. That article is from April 2010.

[1000questions]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

The 1.6 million number is from an EA press release for their shareholders 4 months after ME2 was released. Nice try princess.

And there is the home run... I hope it makes some one run to his home

[Shirosaki17]

Volourn wrote...

It will end up selling 2.5-3.5mil copies when all is said and done.

I bet it won't break 2 million in it's first year. DA2 is bad.

[Pedrak]

So DA2, with a rather mediocre word of mouth on forums and relatively low metacritic score, will end up selling more or less like ME2, which was the critics' darling, loved by the majority of the players too and was much more heavily marketed?

Weird.

[1000questions]

Pedrak wrote...

So DA2, with a rather mediocre word of mouth on forums and relatively low metacritic score, will end up selling more or less like ME2, which was the critics' darling, loved by the majority of the players too and was much more heavily marketed?

Weird.

First, how did you come to conclusion, please share your GLASS BALL with us oh Wizard

Second, how is it weird if they are giving ME2  ABSOLUTELY FREE with DA2 ? Please explain the weirdness here ....