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[asaiasai]

Actually i thought the numbers trend is a good thing, it means i will not have to wait till june or july to get it on sale. Also as i am one of probably the few who pre ordered the game in dec last year and cancelled 4 hours after playing the demo i hope this hurts Bioware a bit. I played the demo and saw the "Mass Effect" effect, consolization, streamlinning, dumbing down what ever word you choose to descriibe the hathet job done to DA2. I seriously doubt if my with holding funds will be enough to sway Bioware back to the DAO path, but i knew and know no other way to voice dissapproval than to pass on the game and tell all of my friends to do so as well, at least until the price drop. @Bioware, Hawke is your character, the NPCs also belong to you, your Kirkwall is your city, the story is your story, all of this leaves very little room for me to be a part of the story as you have reduced by design any aspect of individuality.

Asai

[Eterna]

hex23 wrote...

VGChartz isn't accurate. Neither is NPD. For the millionth time.

I haven't played "DA 2", so I don't have any interest in defending it. But if you're going to criticize the game, don't use sales as some kind of focal point. Because unless the numbers come directly from EA or Bioware, they ain't accurate.

Also no offense to anyone but there is too many damn arm chair accountants in this thread. Did you like tha game? Yes? Good. No? Sorry. How much it sold, and how much money it made/will cost Bioware is of no concern to you, nor should it be considering you can't even get accurate info on anything you're talking about.

 I love you.

[HawXV2]

This needs to sell much better than what it is doing. It's better than the original by a good bit, so this surprises. I guess it is expected when you try something new, instead of delivering the same stuff.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

i like how you left out pc sales

[TJSolo]

HawXV2 wrote...

This needs to sell much better than what it is doing. It's better than the original by a good bit, so this surprises. I guess it is expected when you try something new, instead of delivering the same stuff.

Trying something new just because you want to is fine for your wardrobe but for a business they need to first figure out if the customers really want new. If they are insistent on trying out new things in a game then be like RockStar and make standalone games that implement new mechanics and techniques, not change around things during the current run of a series.
Consistency > Change

[Baelyn]

Ixalmaris wrote...

hex23 wrote...

VGChartz isn't accurate. Neither is NPD. For the millionth time.

I haven't played "DA 2", so I don't have any interest in defending it. But if you're going to criticize the game, don't use sales as some kind of focal point. Because unless the numbers come directly from EA or Bioware, they ain't accurate.

Also no offense to anyone but there is too many damn arm chair accountants in this thread. Did you like tha game? Yes? Good. No? Sorry. How much it sold, and how much money it made/will cost Bioware is of no concern to you, nor should it be considering you can't even get accurate info on anything you're talking about.

Wah Wah Wah, VGCharts isn't accurate because it doesn't show that data how I want it to be. In reality everyone bought 4 copies! /fanboy.

VGCharts isn't accurate because VGCharts isn't accurate. No need to twist the facts to try to make your mockery of "fanboys."

The funniest part is if you had read his post, you'd realize he hasn't even played DA2. Such a fanboy he must be.

[Ostagar2011]

1000questions wrote...

The Dragon Age 2 PC sales arent that gr8 either from the same website.

DA2
Week1 143,830
Week2 38,002
Week3 26,165 Total in 3 weeks : 207,997

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

Anyone has numbers for DA:Origins ?

Ahhaaa! PC sales of DAO are the enigma. This game was designed for the PC and plays very much better than on the Xbox. Yet I can't get figures anywhere.

All we know is total for DAO up to mid Jan 2010 was 3.2 million (per EA). There were many months of strong sales after that, with a dip only in week 6. Then there was the collectors edition. Per VGchartz DAO cross platform was 3.68 million.

[asaiasai]

HawXV2 wrote...

This needs to sell much better than what it is doing. It's better than the original by a good bit, so this surprises. I guess it is expected when you try something new, instead of delivering the same stuff.

I hope it tanks because they might just go back to the drawing board realizing thier mistakes by removing alot of the details oriented game play that alot of RPGers enjoy, if not oh well i will find another company that delivers what i want and buy thier stuff instead, tis the capitolist thing to do. I do not want Bioware to tank just DA2 so that they can see the what i consider to be the error of thier ways, Bioware will make the game THEY want or the one EA tells them to, and i will buy or pass on those offerings based entirely on the game merit as opposed to brand loyalty which how i wound up with a copy of ME2. Bioware, you got me once with ME2 to allow you to do it again with DA2 would just make me guilable, stupid or worst case both.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 02 avril 2011 - 09:24 .

[Ostagar2011]

Baelyn wrote...

VGCharts isn't accurate because VGCharts isn't accurate. No need to twist the facts to try to make your mockery of "fanboys."

You'll admit at least it's a good indicator?. Taken together with Amazon charts in week 2 (like #17), Steam active users in week 2 (like #14) and the lack of triumphant press release ... shows it really didn't work out that well.

Which is important, because I am constantly told that my opinion does not matter (I'm afraid of change), that reviews do not matter, the forums do not matter ... the only thing these people will listen to is $$$. And the broad message being sent by the $$$ (give or take a few 10's of thousands of copies possibly lost by VG chartz) is "go back and rethink your life". And also - "pray that your colleagues in Montreal do a better job with ME3, or you'd better stop talking about 'demolishing your fans' sandcastles' and start polishing up your CVs"

Modifié par Ostagar2011, 02 avril 2011 - 09:28 .

[Ostagar2011]

HawXV2 wrote...

This needs to sell much better than what it is doing. It's better than the original by a good bit, so this surprises. I guess it is expected when you try something new, instead of delivering the same stuff.

Good conlcusion - poor BioWare for being brave enough to push a quality PRG franchise into the mainstream sewer of mediocrity. All these stupid customers.... evidently not ready for the great work of genius that was DA2 - maybe in 20 years' time this game will get the appreciation it truly deserves (when it's on some abandonware server). let's keep hoping!

[captain.subtle]

1000questions wrote...

The Dragon Age 2 PC sales arent that gr8 either from the same website.

DA2
Week1 143,830
Week2 38,002
Week3 26,165 Total in 3 weeks : 207,997

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

Anyone has numbers for DA:Origins ?

Hmm.... SO total non digital sales are like ~ 1.15 M. Interesting. 

[Travie]

AlexXIV wrote...

The PC numbers would be interesing ...

Its harder to get accurate PC numbers because Steam and other direct download sites tend not to give out that information to the public

[Fushigi]

Maybe we should think about does THIS information on xbox/ps3 has anything common with truth?
Everyone's just eating it and starting to suggest..strange.

[orbit991]

HawXV2 wrote...

This needs to sell much better than what it is doing. It's better than the original by a good bit, so this surprises. I guess it is expected when you try something new, instead of delivering the same stuff.

Well think of it this way. Bioware has a certain type of a fan base that has supported them for a long time and a certain market they excelled in. Lets say hypothetically that they made sports games. This was a sequel to their great football game, the fans turn it on and insted of football, its ****g cricket. No surprise it wont do well.

Modifié par orbit991, 02 avril 2011 - 09:55 .

[astrallite]

Your fanbase spreads word of mouth to their friends to try out something. I got six friends who never played an RPG (and would never do so normally) in their life to pick up Origins and they said it was fantastic. They probably still don't like the RPG gaming mechanic but the size, scope, and the LOTR-ish plot was good way to draw the casual audience.

I like DA2 but I have serious reservations of recommending it to those same friends because I can pretty much tell right off the bat they wouldn't like it, and they are competitive CoD-crowd guys.

[Ixalmaris]

Baelyn wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

hex23 wrote...

VGChartz isn't accurate. Neither is NPD. For the millionth time.

I haven't played "DA 2", so I don't have any interest in defending it. But if you're going to criticize the game, don't use sales as some kind of focal point. Because unless the numbers come directly from EA or Bioware, they ain't accurate.

Also no offense to anyone but there is too many damn arm chair accountants in this thread. Did you like tha game? Yes? Good. No? Sorry. How much it sold, and how much money it made/will cost Bioware is of no concern to you, nor should it be considering you can't even get accurate info on anything you're talking about.

Wah Wah Wah, VGCharts isn't accurate because it doesn't show that data how I want it to be. In reality everyone bought 4 copies! /fanboy.

VGCharts isn't accurate because VGCharts isn't accurate. No need to twist the facts to try to make your mockery of "fanboys."

The funniest part is if you had read his post, you'd realize he hasn't even played DA2. Such a fanboy he must be.

How predictable from you.

As it was said, that VHcharts might (likely is) off a few hundered or even thousand copies doesn't invalidate that the trend of not selling much is clearly visible.

But yeah, head meets sand...

[Baelyn]

Ixalmaris wrote...

How predictable from you.

Why do you feel the need to attack me personally?

As it was said, that VHcharts might (likely is) off a few hundered or even thousand copies doesn't invalidate that the trend of not selling much is clearly visible.

A trend is not derived from one source of information. And right now all we have is one (very unreliable) source of information. Not only that but the lack of PC sales (digital) is not accounted for in these numbers whatsoever. His point goes even further to show that even if you could reliably show a trend right now it means nothing about whether this game was more or less profitable for EA than Origins. And there is no way to know that unless, as said, you have access to their stockholder meetings and can actually outright ask them "How much profit per copy of DA2 and DA:O did we make?"

But yeah, head meets sand...

And again with the insult. I really don't know what I have done so wrong to make you so hostile towards me.

[bobspoland]

they have a sale on at game.co.uk this weekend. DA2 for the pc is only £17.99 after 3 weeks

[Packofpickledpeppers]

Baelyn wrote...

Why do you feel the need to attack me personally?

Because you're the one who seems to be putting his head in the sand.

As it was said, that VHcharts might (likely is) off a few hundered or even thousand copies doesn't invalidate that the trend of not selling much is clearly visible.

It was said with no proof.  Here we have links and sales data, you have nothing but blind fanoyism going "It's not accurate it's not accurate! I dont want to beliiiiiiieeeeeeevvvvveeeeeee!"  Give links and data about why these numbers arent accurate and by how much they arent accurate or STFU and GTFO.

A trend is not derived from one source of information. And right now all we have is one (very unreliable) source of information. Not only that but the lack of PC sales (digital) is not accounted for in these numbers whatsoever. His point goes even further to show that even if you could reliably show a trend right now it means nothing about whether this game was more or less profitable for EA than Origins. And there is no way to know that unless, as said, you have access to their stockholder meetings and can actually outright ask them "How much profit per copy of DA2 and DA:O did we make?"

The source of information is showing the trend dummy. See the trend, down down down?  Thats the trend.  The trend is derived from the sinking sales.  And the lack of PC sales shown dont matter.  Why?  Because you can see the trend on the consoles.  Do you think the PC sales are magically great or something?  They're not.  Put them up against DAOs PC sales and no doubt you'll see the same trend as you do on consoles, that DA2 doesnt come close to what its predeccessor did.  That's the whole point.  After just 3 weeks this game has already made millions less.  After 4 weeks the gap will become wider.  After a year it's going to be up in the 10's of millions less.

So yeah, your head = in the sand.  The game stinks and the sales show it.  Get over it.

Modifié par Packofpickledpeppers, 02 avril 2011 - 11:01 .

[Fushigi]

Hmm..pepper's on fire today eh.. Seriously, look at all these topics If so much vegetables think DA2 is bad-bad game why bother and try to showoff? The mightiest sign of quality of any product is buzzing around it So give us more drama!

[Packofpickledpeppers]

Fushigi wrote...

Hmm..pepper's on fire today eh.. Seriously, look at all these topics If so much vegetables think DA2 is bad-bad game why bother and try to showoff? The mightiest sign of quality of any product is buzzing around it So give us more drama!

I would argue that the vegetables are the ones who are defending the game and turning a blind eye

And I have to agree about your "buzz" comment.  Look at the buzz Dragon Age 2 received.  It definitely spoke about it's quality alright, and when it spoke apparently consumers $$$ listened.

Modifié par Packofpickledpeppers, 02 avril 2011 - 11:21 .

[Fushigi]

Packofpickledpeppers wrote...

Fushigi wrote...

Hmm..pepper's on fire today eh.. Seriously, look at all these topics If so much vegetables think DA2 is bad-bad game why bother and try to showoff? The mightiest sign of quality of any product is buzzing around it So give us more drama!

I would argue that the vegetables are the ones who are defending the game and turning a blind eye

And I have to agree about your "buzz" comment.  Look at the buzz Dragon Age 2 received.  It definitely spoke about it's quality alright, and when it spoke apparently consumers $$$ listened.

Yup. All our arguing is just big marketing move. Right from the books.

[randName]

sycophanticchallenger wrote...

Honestly. At this point I"ll be surprised if DA3 is ever greenlighted... I doubt if the team will have the interest in continuing the series.

I wonder if they were at all concerned about the damage this game could do to their image prior to its release.

Well I hope it doesn't, since that would make it easier to forget DA2/Kirkwall.

Modifié par randName, 02 avril 2011 - 11:43 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

While I don't trust the numbers of something like VGCharts, Dragon Age: Origins stayed long in the spotlight, having consistent levels of sales for an unusually long time due to positive feedback and word of mouth.

I don't think Dragon Age II will enjoy the same longevity. Much of it's current sales are built on the current Dragon Age fanbase.

As for the sale numbers themselves, we won't really know for sure unless Bioware or EA decide to release them. Likely, if it sells well, they will release the sales numbers. If they keep tight lipped on the issue, well...

[randName]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

i like how you left out pc sales

VGChartz rarely have PC sales figures, and when they do the chances of them being false are even larger than normal, thus its best to leave them out.

& They don't have any PC figures for DA:O as far as I know.