Packofpickledpeppers wrote...
where he says they used fan feedback and data to gauge the direction of DA2, and then goes on to say DA2 was being developed before DAO was released and the awesome interviewer called him out and asked "Well if you were developing it before the first game was released how did you use user feedback?" LOL
Modifié par Khayness, 02 avril 2011 - 06:18 .
Bought it on the first day, told my friend about it and he bought it. We both liked the game.lostcustmer wrote...
the trend is quite clear ...
initial sales because of marketing only ... bought reviews, intimidated game sites (rate 9/10 or kiss ads goodbye).
then the poor sods that bought it on day 1 rush up to warn their friends of this epic piece of crap.
that happens if you think you can treat your fanbase like sh;t.
Khayness wrote...
Packofpickledpeppers wrote...
where he says they used fan feedback and data to gauge the direction of DA2, and then goes on to say DA2 was being developed before DAO was released and the awesome interviewer called him out and asked "Well if you were developing it before the first game was released how did you use user feedback?" LOL
I must have a link of that review For Great Justice!
Dr Bawbag wrote...
I remember when ME2 first came out and had all n sundry crying over how badly some of the game was implemented, this is basically no different. Whilst a lot of people will have genuine grievances and others won't like how the game has evolved, the simple truth is the majority of the whines when a major game is released is by those people that are merely mimicking stuff they've read elsewhere.
It's amazing the amount of people that will complain about a game being unplayable, when in reality, they themselves haven't encountered bugs or glitches, they're just hanging on the words of others. Then you have those people that oppose any kind of change, no matter what it is, they just moan for the sake of moaning.
As with ME2 this will all blow over and people will then have DA3 to get their Daisy Dukes in a twist over.
Dr Bawbag wrote...
I remember when ME2 first came out and had all n sundry crying over how badly some of the game was implemented, this is basically no different. Whilst a lot of people will have genuine grievances and others won't like how the game has evolved, the simple truth is the majority of the whines when a major game is released is by those people that are merely mimicking stuff they've read elsewhere.
It's amazing the amount of people that will complain about a game being unplayable, when in reality, they themselves haven't encountered bugs or glitches, they're just hanging on the words of others. Then you have those people that oppose any kind of change, no matter what it is, they just moan for the sake of moaning.
As with ME2 this will all blow over and people will then have DA3 to get their Daisy Dukes in a twist over.
contown wrote...
Sequels are meant to sell more than their originals. THAT makes the game a success. Looks like DA2 didn't succeed.
Shiny Things wrote...
lostcustmer wrote...
da2 made 35 million in 3 weeks with a development phase under 2 years.
dao made 36 million in 3 weeks with a development phase over what - 6 years?
that makes it a success in the eyes of bioware. and boy, da3 will be worse.
WHOA THAR BUDDY
Your math is WAAAAAAAY off.
So just to quickly note
914395 total for DAO
843215 for DA2
Difference of 71180
Now
obviously EA doesnt get every penny of the $60 price tag. But since
we'll never know exactly how much of that they get, here's the total
amount of money difference for the entire $60 to chew on.
$4,270,800
So after just 3 weeks they've already made millions less than DAO. Let's say EA gets 3/4 of that 4.2 mill. They're still down $3,203,100. Over just 3 three weeks. The discrepancy is only going to grow larger as the weeks go on.
And dont forget that with less copies sold means less DLC that can be sold so they're gonna lose out on even more money there.
aries1001 wrote...
Shiny Things wrote...
lostcustmer wrote...
da2 made 35 million in 3 weeks with a development phase under 2 years.
dao made 36 million in 3 weeks with a development phase over what - 6 years?
that makes it a success in the eyes of bioware. and boy, da3 will be worse.
WHOA THAR BUDDY
Your math is WAAAAAAAY off.
So just to quickly note
914395 total for DAO
843215 for DA2
Difference of 71180
Now
obviously EA doesnt get every penny of the $60 price tag. But since
we'll never know exactly how much of that they get, here's the total
amount of money difference for the entire $60 to chew on.
$4,270,800
So after just 3 weeks they've already made millions less than DAO. Let's say EA gets 3/4 of that 4.2 mill. They're still down $3,203,100. Over just 3 three weeks. The discrepancy is only going to grow larger as the weeks go on.
And dont forget that with less copies sold means less DLC that can be sold so they're gonna lose out on even more money there.
That may well be so. However, DA2 had a development time of 2 years (or less), while DA: Origins had a development time of at least 5 years (if not longer). And yes, EA is still down about 3 million dollars. However, the development costs were cut in half (at least), thus probably making the game break even about the 1 million sold copies or so...
Packofpickledpeppers wrote...
Ask and ye shall receive!
skyrend wrote...
Dr Bawbag wrote...
I remember when ME2 first came out and had all n sundry crying over how badly some of the game was implemented, this is basically no different. Whilst a lot of people will have genuine grievances and others won't like how the game has evolved, the simple truth is the majority of the whines when a major game is released is by those people that are merely mimicking stuff they've read elsewhere.
It's amazing the amount of people that will complain about a game being unplayable, when in reality, they themselves haven't encountered bugs or glitches, they're just hanging on the words of others. Then you have those people that oppose any kind of change, no matter what it is, they just moan for the sake of moaning.
As with ME2 this will all blow over and people will then have DA3 to get their Daisy Dukes in a twist over.
Except that ME2 got glowing praise from pretty much all mainstream sources. DA2 response has been tepid at best, and Bioware has had to defend the awful changes they made on different sites.
Packofpickledpeppers wrote...
Baelyn wrote...
Why do you feel the need to attack me personally?
Because you're the one who seems to be putting his head in the sand.As it was said, that VHcharts might (likely is) off a few hundered or even thousand copies doesn't invalidate that the trend of not selling much is clearly visible.
It was said with no proof. Here we have links and sales data, you have nothing but blind fanoyism going "It's not accurate it's not accurate! I dont want to beliiiiiiieeeeeeevvvvveeeeeee!" Give links and data about why these numbers arent accurate and by how much they arent accurate or STFU and GTFO.A trend is not derived from one source of information. And right now all we have is one (very unreliable) source of information. Not only that but the lack of PC sales (digital) is not accounted for in these numbers whatsoever. His point goes even further to show that even if you could reliably show a trend right now it means nothing about whether this game was more or less profitable for EA than Origins. And there is no way to know that unless, as said, you have access to their stockholder meetings and can actually outright ask them "How much profit per copy of DA2 and DA:O did we make?"
The source of information is showing the trend dummy. See the trend, down down down? Thats the trend. The trend is derived from the sinking sales. And the lack of PC sales shown dont matter. Why? Because you can see the trend on the consoles. Do you think the PC sales are magically great or something? They're not. Put them up against DAOs PC sales and no doubt you'll see the same trend as you do on consoles, that DA2 doesnt come close to what its predeccessor did. That's the whole point. After just 3 weeks this game has already made millions less. After 4 weeks the gap will become wider. After a year it's going to be up in the 10's of millions less.
So yeah, your head = in the sand. The game stinks and the sales show it. Get over it.
Dr Bawbag wrote...
That was maybe the case, but these forums were utter carnage with people up in arms about ME2. No inventory, too much shooting, no ash, no body looting etc, etc, etc...
Go to any major dev site when a game is first released and it will be the same story when it comes to sequels. Alot of people simply expect the exact same experience they had first time around, then that causes problems as you will then have the "this is just a rehashed version of the first game" brigade come out in force too. I also remember Morrowind receiving the same treatment upon its release - the worst RPG eva blah, blah, blah.
The discontented amongst us are always the most vocal.
Add to that, if people are gonna pre order a game, when they have seen little or no game-play, then, well, that's not BioWare's fault, that's there own fault for handing their cash over blindly.
Dr Bawbag wrote...
The figures tell squat. DA:O was released in November and this one was released in March. Of course the first one is going to have better sales as it was released when most people buy games, whereas DA2 was released when most games tend to sell considerably less.
Like every man and his dog knows, figures and percentages mean nothing on their own as they don't show the whole picture.
Dr Bawbag wrote...
The figures tell squat. DA:O was released in November and this one was released in March. Of course the first one is going to have better sales as it was released when most people buy games, whereas DA2 was released when most games tend to sell considerably less.
Like every man and his dog knows, figures and percentages mean nothing on their own as they don't show the whole picture.
Modifié par Packofpickledpeppers, 02 avril 2011 - 08:01 .
Dr Bawbag wrote...
I remember when ME2 first came out and had all n sundry crying over how badly some of the game was implemented, this is basically no different. Whilst a lot of people will have genuine grievances and others won't like how the game has evolved, the simple truth is the majority of the whines when a major game is released is by those people that are merely mimicking stuff they've read elsewhere.
It's amazing the amount of people that will complain about a game being unplayable, when in reality, they themselves haven't encountered bugs or glitches, they're just hanging on the words of others. Then you have those people that oppose any kind of change, no matter what it is, they just moan for the sake of moaning.
As with ME2 this will all blow over and people will then have DA3 to get their Daisy Dukes in a twist over.
Alex Kershaw wrote...
Dr Bawbag wrote...
I remember when ME2 first came out and had all n sundry crying over how badly some of the game was implemented, this is basically no different. Whilst a lot of people will have genuine grievances and others won't like how the game has evolved, the simple truth is the majority of the whines when a major game is released is by those people that are merely mimicking stuff they've read elsewhere.
It's amazing the amount of people that will complain about a game being unplayable, when in reality, they themselves haven't encountered bugs or glitches, they're just hanging on the words of others. Then you have those people that oppose any kind of change, no matter what it is, they just moan for the sake of moaning.
As with ME2 this will all blow over and people will then have DA3 to get their Daisy Dukes in a twist over.
ME2 metacritic score: 96/100
DA2 metacritic score: 82/100
ME2 = Bioware's top rated ever RPG
DA2 = Bioware's lowest rated ever RPG
/argument
Alex Kershaw wrote...
ME2 metacritic score: 96/100
DA2 metacritic score: 82/100
ME2 = Bioware's top rated ever RPG
DA2 = Bioware's lowest rated ever RPG
/argument
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