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[1Nosphorus1]

Isn't there some massive flaws in this thought? Don't the reapers cull the life that have evolved into their pattern, i.e. using the relays + technology and becoming at least a well known prescence in outer space.

Reapers don't cull all life, they only go after the ones that they want, otherwise 50,000 years ago they'd of culled us and many more civilisations before they even began, evidence of this is the Protheans.

Most advanced lifeform at the time, pretty much controlling the citadel and then Boom, reapers appear, get a backdoor into the citadel while shutting it down, om nom nom the protheans and then proceed to go accross the galaxy to locations they should know using the relays (probably contain some previous co-ordinates from ship codes or whatever) and then eventually return to dark space.

[AntenDS]

I was mainly talking about what Vigil said about them making sleeper agents to find hidden pockets of Protheans; when i mention them searching for life in the galaxy.

[1Nosphorus1]

AntenDS wrote...

I was mainly talking about what Vigil said about them making sleeper agents to find hidden pockets of Protheans; when i mention them searching for life in the galaxy.

Sorry it was a general reply to people talking about them culling everything and anyone, and searching each planet etc.

I'm sure they'd be able to detect mass effect cores or something at a distance, their technology is far more advanced than the ours (which is their creation)

[rekn2]

in regards to the OP about the charon relay exploding...even if it were as close as our sun and the explosion traveled at the speed of light, it would take over 8 minutes to reach earth...plenty of time to gtfo imo.

we also learned in Arrival that even a piece of a reaper can mean indoc so it doesnt even have to be sentient to control us.

im with saphra on this, we are doomed if from nothing but ultimate attrition. humans need at least 15 yrs from birth to be worth any kind of defense from reaper attack not to mention food and an atmosphere-weaknesses far to great to stop a killing machine as powerful as the reapers.

[rekn2]

also, i dont understand this whole "reapers need resources" thing. they have infinite unlimited energy via the galactic core. its a lot like solar power but with cosmic rays. technology we ourselves are starting to develop now...let alone hundreds of years in the future.

the only thing i see them needing that they cant develop on their own is this "genetic material" we saw in the suicide mission. even then why not make clones and farm lol

[100k]

Remember people, according to the Shadow Broker the Protheans thought that there was "more out there". I have faith that the Protheans discovered artifacts detailing information that could destroy the reapers from older races. We'll call these the Forerunners. If generations and generations of Forerunners were able to leave behind tiny amounts of information for future races, detailing small but strong weaknesses, then maybe defeating the Reapers isn't so much about draining them into wormholes, attacking them with giant fleets, or infecting them with viruses, but a combination of several unconventional tactics that the Reapers couldn't anticipate. Remember the Kledagon weapon? That's proof that some race found an Anti Reaper weapon (even though it's now with Cerberus). And Shepard managed to defeat Sovereign by essentially "stunning" his conscious momentarily. Maybe the Prothean ruins and relics you find hold the information cache to hundreds of thousands of races with their own methods of defeating the Reapers.

Also, we should turn our eyes to the Leviathan of Dis. So far, we don't know anything about it, other than it being described as a "corpse" of a ship. When I think of the word "corpse of a ship", I automatically think Reaper. This may be the effect Bioware was going for, tricking us into thinking that it is a Reaper, when it may actually be a Prothean warship of incredible power. Perhaps a tool that could completely change the fortunes of the Reaper war, granted you have either a Batarian squad mate willing to stand up for you, or can convince the Batarians not to use it against humanity. Or...it might just be a Reaper, which would likely indoctrinate the Batarian Hegenomy, and fuel their war with humanity, especially after the Alpha Relay incident. It would be relatively easy for the Reapers to infiltrate governments, and crush the infrastructures of societies if they "conveniently" left Reaper shells lying around for advanced races to find.

[TheDFO]

A good solution to this problem is that every race turns into the equivalent of migrant fleet.

The reapers can't kill us if they can't find us, and if we're floating in between stars, they won't find us. As long as we don't take in any indoctrinated.

[Sergiyftw]

Everything is possible since this is the end of Mass Effect.

Therefore it's even possible to join the reapers like Saren did.
Im just hoping the game gives us enough choice. And NOT Illusion of choice!!!

[Abispa]

ME3 is going to be the last Shepard game, but not the last ME universe game (I'm pretty sure I read that on IGN before the second game came out), and ALL choices are illusions since 99 percent of the game is the same no matter what you choose. I don't mind since I understand the limitations of the VG RPG format, but I hope the personalization I make is enjoyable.

[Sergiyftw]

Mass Effect 1 and 2 are the build up. We got plenty of choices that impacted the game in one way or another.
Now my hopes are Mass Effect 3 will take all that data, and impact the game significantly!

Yes, ME3 might not be the last game in the universe, but I do not believe things get more dramatic than the salvation of organic life.

[Timon44]

Conrad Verner will save the galaxy IMO. I don't know how, but he'll do it.

[ZLurps]

TheDFO wrote...

A good solution to this problem is that every race turns into the equivalent of migrant fleet.

The reapers can't kill us if they can't find us, and if we're floating in between stars, they won't find us. As long as we don't take in any indoctrinated.

This.

However I think it's most likely that in ME3 we jut get to defeat the Reapers.

Some sort of alternative ending would be nice though... Something like mass exodus into dark space. Then during ending credits there would be a cut scene... Some sort of weird dark space radiation causing organic species in spaceships to star melting with technology. There could be even a bit of dialogue from Liara for example: "We are becoming like Reapers!" and then final scene, after 50.000 years former exodus fleet, now as Reapers returning into galaxy, and cycle repeats once again. Even better if original Reapers were victims of the same fate, species that left on exodus because of some sort of phenomen in galaxy and then turned into Reapers...  and the only way for a player to get the whole story would be to get that particular ending.

Anyway, there was very good, IMO the best discussion about Reaper vs. Citadel races, etc battleships hidden in The Dreadnought Effect thread (to avoid all Chuck Norris replies). Reaper discussion starts at:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/5991983/6

To make short summary: OP is right. Without nerfing the Reapers galactic races can't defeat them, that or Deus Ex machina. Who knows though, if there is any company that can pull something entirely different, outside of the box we use to make our scenarios it's BioWare.

[Dave666]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Just
want to point out that six months ago, if i had suggested destroying a
Relay by slamming an asteroid into it I would have been ridiculed.  I've
seen you dismiss a hell of a lot of ideas so far.  Don't be too
surprised if one of the ideas that you have dismissed is actually used.

That's very true and I don't doubt that Bioware will invent a way for Shepard to win.

Indeed, lets just hope its a believable one though!  

[Soahfreako]

I find it humorous that the OP thinks every single one of the hundreds of Reapers would just all attack a single target. They wouldn't be that stupid, if one can be taken out by a fleet of ships, all can be taken out by one supernova. Sure, they can all FTL out of the system, but hundreds of ships going FTL out of a system at the same time is bound to cause havoc, hyper intelligent or not.

[Soahfreako]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

I find it humorous that the OP thinks every single one of the hundreds of Reapers would just all attack a single target.

That is implied by the trailer for ME3, yeah. However I have some bad news for you. Assuming that the Reapers all attack Earth was me throwing the rest of you a bone. It offers our ONLY remote chance of defeating them. Otherwise the Reapers spreading out works in their favor, not in ours.

There is about 7 Reapers in that trailer. The attack has already gone on for a week. How would it take a week for 100+ Reapers to take out one planet with barely any defenses that is clearly use guerrila tactics?

[Soahfreako]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

There is about 7 Reapers in that trailer. The attack has already gone on for a week. How would it take a week for 100+ Reapers to take out one planet with barely any defenses that is clearly use guerrila tactics?

The video implied the entire Earth was under attack. Do you know how big London is? Dozens could be involved in harvesting it, easily. The entire Reaper fleet would be needed to conquer a planet like Earth. Planets are ****ing BIG!

Regardless, the Reapers clustering on Earth is our best hope because it presents us with a target to attack that they might not immediately flee from. It also of-course means we could theoretically destroy the relay to kill them all.

Naturally though, their flaws in these strategies and I've already pointed out how they are likely to fail.

It would not take the entire fleet. If the entire fleet was there, there'd be no need for them to enter the atmosphere and instead launch orbital bombardment to just blow the planet out of existence. In the trailer you only see a few areas being attack, from Shepard's point anyway. But again, it has already been a week. No matter the size of the planet I still find it incredibly hard to beleive that it would take a fleet of hundreds of Reapers, with the advanced tech that they have, to take a week to glass one planet. Also compared to other planets, Earth is very small. It is logical to assume that to have maximum effect of their attack, they would send a force of about 20-50 Reapers to each species homeworlds to cause such confusion that retaliation would be virtually impossible. That is, of course, assuming they don't have a childish grudge against humanity because of Shepard.

[Soahfreako]

Arcian wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arcian wrote...


They're called "Scanners".

Scanners don't work at FTL speeds.

My bad, the term i was looking for was "Sensors."

Sensors do, however, work in FTL.

I don't ever remembering scanners or sensors ever working during FTL in any series of sci-fi. I've always seen them only work after they come out of it. I.E. How Joker almost runs into debris after arriving at the Collector 'homeworld'.