Saphra Deden wrote...
100k wrote...
And then, against all odds, Shepard and Vigil threaten to cause mass delay after mass delay.
The delay has set the invasion back a few thousand years at most. That is assuming the Reapers had anything to do with the Rachni Wars which is by no means certain. Such a short time span to a species as long lived as the Reapers is the blink of an eye.
Things will be harder for the Reapers than they have before, but nothing has been done to hinder them in any lasting way. They can still reach the galaxy and they can still capture the Citadel. Once they do the war will be effectively over.
BUT... why haven't they done this since the beginning? Obviously, they'd prefer not ot do this for SOME reason. Maybe the trip from Dark Space greatly weakens them, thus, giving us a better chance of winning.
Skirlasvoud wrote...
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It reeks of over-the-top sercuitous villainy, blindness and utter stupidity. It their actions are anything to go by, the reapers aren't insidious geniuses helbent on subtle manipulation that takes all organic reaction into account. No, they're actually rigid, daft and narrow-minded, so convinced in their own superiority that they refuse to improve or adept. Granted, they have some pretty good, grand plans, but they've been repeating them over and over with no more intelligence than a common gopher. They're more like machines following programing. Plan A was to take the citadel. Plan B was the collectors and now that this hasn't worked, they're slowly ambling towards the galaxy, obsessed with shepard and earth like a bull to a red cloth, guns blazing, blind to all other concerns like they're desperate and running out of creative ideas. It's like they need earth to understand why things haven't worked out for them so far. It's like a zombie pawing at a pane of glass.
"Fatal flaw in our design? Naw, can't be. We're reapers after all. We've done the things we've done for millenia now. Attention flecks of dust, this is infinity and your destiny speaking. Stand still and surrender already.... (pretty please)? Pay no heed to the exaust port while we figure out our heads from our asses!"
For all their bluster, they're more desperate, flawed and stupid than you think. We just need to find a way to exploit this and mitigate their advantage in fleet strength. Because it's all down to that now: fleet strength. Pretty big advantage, but its pretty pathetic that this is all that the reapers have left to them. We can easily outsmart them, no matter how terrifying they appear to be.
Beautifully stated.
Nathan Redgrave wrote...
You know, there is the distinct possibility that Mass Effect 3 won't necessarily end with the complete defeat of the Reapers, simply with the end of the first battle in a long, long war. (Not a "buy the sequel" cliffhanger or a "bad ending," simply an open-ended conclusion that leaves the fate of the galaxy to the imagination, or which reveals the eventual result during an epilogue.)
I've thought about this, as well. It would be an interesting and, in a somewhat frustrating, fitting ending, to the most interactive video game series yet. "We're not going to tell you how it ends. It's up to you and your imaginations."
zthix wrote...
To OP: Crazy crack pot theory in Reaper defeat - the Geth!
Throughout the games we have it reiterated that the Reapers seeded the galaxy with their technology to ensure its development followed their designs and ease their harvesting. Every cycle repeats along the same path as each new group of civilisations builds its existence upon the same technology assuming it was remnants of the previous. The Reaper rely on consistency for the plan to work, anything not on their path is a problem that they cant quantify and leaves a weakness.
Enter Mass Effect 2 and Geth further development. We find out one big thing in conversation with Legion - that the Reaper contacted the Geth and offered them their end game, a Reaper body capable of processing the entire Geth consciousness - the Geth having been working on just that. The Geth were split, some took up the offer and joined the Reaper attack on the Citadel but more importantly the larger group declined the offer on the basis that to follow another's path of development is not development at all. Despite Reaper efforts on containment this puts the Geth outside the plan and outside their control and predictability the very things they rely on to harvest the galaxy.
Lastly you have to look at what the Reaper are (indeed conversation again with Legion are the most revealing on this). Each single Reaper is billions of AI living within a hull all working together. The Hull or ship itself is pretty much unstoppable - see ME1 - So a fleet could be never be engaged in direct combat with any chance of success as hardware wise they over power any enemy in the galaxy...but the same is not true of software. The Geth exist in the same state but on a smaller scale, Legion is thousands of programs working within one unit.
All of this seems to lead to one conclusion, a Reaper fleet can not be beaten directly in combat and would have to be taken out individually through Cyber Warfare and the only thing in the Galaxy capable of launching that kind of attack and standing any kind of chance would be the Geth. The Geth exist outside Reaper plans and technological dependence and would be able to fight in a way no other force could, they are the big X-factor in the harvesting plan so in short, Geth to the rescue!
Umm... couldn't the Quarians do this as well? Or the Salarians? Or any other races dependant on their intelligence rather than their physical strength?
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