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[Rheinlandman]

Randy Quaid, the whole trilogy is just setting up for Randy Quaid to swoop in and save the day. Stealing all our hard earned glory by going out in a blaze of sacrificial glory.

[Leonia]

I think Saren is good evidence as to why we shouldn't surrender to the enemy. TIM probably has a sneakier plan. He's smarter than that.

[Undertone]

I like this thread and realistically it should be impossible. But of course there's going to be a Deus Ex. I just hope enough people die by the time the Deus Ex is introduced because if they pull another "Everyone Makes It" it would make the Reapers and the entire setting into a total joke.

Hundreds of races have perished, billions dead - but somehow Shepard and Co are so incredibly awesome that they can pull it without a single casualty nor any other race barely loses someone...Uh-huh, sure.

And even if I'm pro-human, pro-Cerberus and all out for human Hegemony - I'm tired of humans being the "special" race. ME1 had this awesome feel that humans are not so "elite" so we have to work our asses and be cunning to get into the leader position. ME2 pretty much stated humans are the best of all the races and the Reapers think we are kewl too just like every other game on the market.

Guess what's next - Humans are ancestors of the Forrunn...I mean Protheans and we got a secret Ark...I mean cache of tech hidden on Earth.

Modifié par Undertone, 14 mai 2011 - 11:09 .

[Drachasor]

Most of the Reapers are on Earth from what I can tell.

If there's a relay handy, you can blow up a Solar System.

So, in theory, it is certainly possible to defeat the Reapers.

Edit:  Personally, if I was in charge of the alliance, I'd make an ultra top secret project that was recorded only in paper and in a few brains that would setup a system to blow the Charon Relay if necessary after the events of ME2.  Absolute worst-case, better to have the human race die than turned into reapers.  All the better if you can take a bunch of reapers with you.

Modifié par Drachasor, 14 mai 2011 - 11:11 .

[008Zulu]

Drachasor wrote...
Personally, if I was in charge of the alliance, I'd make an ultra top secret project that was recorded only in paper and in a few brains that would setup a system to blow the Charon Relay if necessary after the events of ME2.  Absolute worst-case, better to have the human race die than turned into reapers.  All the better if you can take a bunch of reapers with you.

Throw the relay in to the sun, I bet that'd look interesting. Failing the sun, maybe Jupiter or Saturn.

It is possible to defeat them, gotta admire the moxie of a soldier who quits before the fighting even starts.

[Strugz]

Sheps best friend dies , Sheps turns super saiyan , Reapers try to destroy Earth , Earth is severly damaged will explode in 5 minutes , Reapers fight Shepard at full power , Shepard defeats Reapers and escapes on the Normandy.

[DarthKaldriss]

        Was not the Normandy outfitted with Thanix Cannons a Reaper reverse engineered mass drivers not to mention somesort of Molecular armor and stronger shields so you start to scale this lot up for the rest of the citadel fleets and all of a sudden things have gone from an Impossible victory to an improbable one but still a chance. Not to mention what might have been in development that Shephard and Cerberus may have been unaware of.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Guess what's next - Humans are ancestors of the Forrunn...I mean Protheans and we got a secret Ark...I mean cache of tech hidden on Earth.

It is pretty scary how likely this is to be a plot point in ME3.

I get the feeling we're going to win.
Because....well that's how Bioware games go. Everyone is f*cked and then viola we win....and we'll have Shepard Charm/Intimidate them into submission.

Followed by awkward dancing on their graves (after utterly destroying the bodies to avoid indoctrination)

[Moiaussi]

Strugz wrote...

Sheps best friend dies , Sheps turns super saiyan , Reapers try to destroy Earth , Earth is severly damaged will explode in 5 minutes , Reapers fight Shepard at full power , Shepard defeats Reapers and escapes on the Normandy.

Actually I think Gillian is going to turn super saiyan. The whole Reaper plan is to harvest humanity just before ascension, while human physiology has developed to the point where our cells can channel biotic energy efficiently but not quite yet to where we have 'ascended.'

Simultaneously, some stars are starting to build up dark matter, which fuels biotics. Gillian, and to a lesser degree Jack, and probably others will have developed to the point where they can channel the energy to the point where they can be weaponized for space combat, possibly even to strategic levels.

This will facilitate the defeat of the Reapers (or at least will be enough to drive them off).

It would also make some vague sense of ME2.

[Kabanya101]

Reapers can be defeated two way:

1) Reprogram them like the geth in Legion's mission

OR....

2) One giant massive EMP takes everything out, then the Alliance swarms in from another system and take everything down

[mopotter]

Ultai wrote...

OP is indoctrinated. Kidding aside, I hope the fight for survival involves much bloodshed, no 'everyone lives happily ever after all crew safe all favorite npcs safe ending'. I enjoyed getting my crew through the SM, but the collectors were pushovers. I really hope Reapers put in some hopelessness into the player for the final installment. But us being Reapers regardless won't pan out, since the franchise won't end with me3.

If this was the only ending I'd be so po'ed I'd be throwing thing.  This would be such a big wast of my 5 year (07 - 12)  investment that I'd be spitting nails.   One ending in this style is fine, sure destroy everyone including Shepard, if that floats your boat but one ending had best be a fireworks in the air all galexy celebrating and the LI next to Shepard one.  I don't mind working harder for this but it had better be there.  And from past game experience it will be.

I don't expect to destroy all of them, to me that seems too simple, though who knows it might happen.  Pushing them back to dark space where they can stay for another few centuries or until we can go after them in some future game would be fine.

[NoUserNameHere]

Moiaussi wrote...

Strugz wrote...

Sheps best friend dies , Sheps turns super saiyan , Reapers try to destroy Earth , Earth is severly damaged will explode in 5 minutes , Reapers fight Shepard at full power , Shepard defeats Reapers and escapes on the Normandy.

Actually I think Gillian is going to turn super saiyan. The whole Reaper plan is to harvest humanity just before ascension, while human physiology has developed to the point where our cells can channel biotic energy efficiently but not quite yet to where we have 'ascended.'

Simultaneously, some stars are starting to build up dark matter, which fuels biotics. Gillian, and to a lesser degree Jack, and probably others will have developed to the point where they can channel the energy to the point where they can be weaponized for space combat, possibly even to strategic levels.

This will facilitate the defeat of the Reapers (or at least will be enough to drive them off).

It would also make some vague sense of ME2.

I thought getting Reaped was the "ascension" Harbringer was talking about.

[Nashiktal]

Kabanya101 wrote...

Reapers can be defeated two way:

1) Reprogram them like the geth in Legion's mission

OR....

2) One giant massive EMP takes everything out, then the Alliance swarms in from another system and take everything down

If we *today* in modern times can shield ourselves from something as trite as an EMP, god machines can surely protect themselves from an EMP. 

[dragonflight288]

My opinions on the Reaper menace is that it's a near impossible thing. And I say near. The odds of uniting the galaxy against the reapers is slim to none. Arguing to unite the geth and the quarians likely won't end well, and may take a buttload of time. And unless Mordin gets the genophage cure for the Krogan up and running, the Krogan will have limited numbers and must learn to fight smart rather than their usual tactics. That'll take time.

The batarians absolutely despise all humans and blame them for their own leaving of council space. The council supported humans in a section of the galaxy for colonization, so the batarians took their toys and went home because they didn't get their way. And I don't think my shepard will work with them, being a colonist and I almost always do renegade actions when batarians are involved.

Then there's the council and Alliance. The council is dead set against the existence of the reapers, so they are completely and utter unprepared to fight them. They will have to scramble. A rushed army is an unprepared army.

The quarians need a world to house their noncombatants. Blow up a few ships and you guarantee their race's extinction. So they must have a choice. Colonize a new world and wait for a new generation to be able to take off the helmets and suits, or fight a near suicidal war with the geth to take back their homeworld, weakening both sides against the reapers. And they want their homeworld back.

Then there's Reaper indoctrination. If they indoctrinate someone, say a high ranking admiral in the turian fleet, and he keeps it secret, we don't know who to trust to watch our backs.

The galaxy is hardly united, and is not even close to becoming it. All the races, organic and synthetic have way too much infighting. I honestly don't think there's room to save everyone. It's not happening. People, maybe entire cultures will be destroyed. Genocide is likely.

But despite all the odds, I think there is some hope. If the Reapers need to conserve energy in Dark Space, they must have a power limit. And if the Quarians ever find a world, having been wandering aimlessly for centuries, the Reapers will not find any records of their world. And the Reapers may not discover every race in the galaxy. Take the researchers at Ilos who managed to build a relay directly into the citadel so they could rewrite the Keepers.

I can't think of any way earth will be saved. I can't think of any way to unite the entire galaxy. Just logically won't happen. And it logically can't happen that everyone in Shepard's crew will survive. He may be forced to sacrifice allies to defeat enemies.

But if the reapers have only a limited source of energy left, they will likely have to act in desperation. They are giant egomaniac machines. They don't seem the type to believe they can fall. Thereby they won't plan for every last illogical action the races of the galaxies can make.

EDI

Take one Artificial intelligence and pair it against another, the one with superior hardware always wins. But if you take a human against an AI, they will make illogical actions impossible to keep up with.

Joker: License to screw up, given by the ship.

That is the key to beating the reapers. Doing thing's they, and likely no one else, will ever expect.

[CroGamer002]

Just read OP.

F+

Modifié par Mesina2, 18 mai 2011 - 02:36 .

[Darkhour]

An asari comando squad boards a reaper. They mind bone them. Then their daughters become quick maturing reaper kin choosen ones who can travel to the astral plane and fight the reapers in their home dimension. Once they die there the dreadnaughts will become inert hunks of metal and flesh. The end.

[Zeevico]

Step 1: Trial on Earth
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

[dragonflight288]

Get that from Isabella in DA2?

Isabella: Step one, confront the reapers. Step two, something exciting happens. And step three, profit. Perfect plan.

[Someone With Mass]

Blowing up the Charon relay is just stupid. Because I doubt every single Reaper in existence is going to be on Earth at the same time.

They're going to attack the whole galaxy at once.

[Reapinger]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seriously, it can't be done. Let me give you a run down of why we can't possibly hope to be victorious in this war.

Firstly, as the codex will tell you, in space-borne combat the combatants can flee at any time. If at any point one side feels it is losing the battle it can turn tale and run away. It can do this infinitely. This is especially true of the Reapers.

There is a key difference between us and the Reapers though. Any enemy we fight will, somewhere, have some sort of planet/moon/asteroid based assets to defend. Thus we can assault their planets to earn a victory if we must.

With the Reapers however this is not so. They have no planetary assets that they must defend. The Reapers are self sufficient, space-borne intelligences. It has been pointed out that they want the Earth and while this may be true, I guarantee you that they want their own continual survival even more than that. Assuming we successfully rally the galaxy to come and get their people killed to save our planet this offers no promise of victory against the Reapers. As soon as they realize the battle is turning against them (assuming that it does and that they don't just obliterate every fleet in the galaxy), the Reapers will flee.

They'll fly up, abandon the Earth, and disappear in to the vast Milky Way galaxy. Maybe some aliens will get smart and blow up the Charon relay, isolating the Reapers in our cluster. This might buy the galaxy some time, but they'll never have any hope of winning the war.

The thing is, the Reapers don't need to capture any planets besides Earth. All they have to do is drop in out of FTL near a planet and bombard all of its inhabitants into ash. They can do this again and again on every populated world in the galaxy until none remain.

Whether it takes decades or centuries in time every race in the galaxy will be exterminated and any human survivors will be cultivated into a new Reaper.

The only remote possibility of victory is if we wait until all of the Reapers are busy harvesting Earth and then blow up the Charon relay. Theoreticaly the shockwave would overtake the Earth and destroy all of the Reapers before they could flee. After all, it is safe to assume that shockwave is travelling at the speed of light, or near it, or even faster than that. There is no way to avoid it unless you know ahead of time that it is coming. The Reapers could do this. If they have quantum entaglement devices installed in the relays (or at least in the Charon relay) they would know immediately that it had been destroyed and may be able to flee to avoid the shockwave. This is quite likely considering how trivial and widespread quantum entaglement technology is for the Reapers. The Collectors and Saren were riddled with it and the implants 'given' to Paul Grayson were linked to the Reapers in this way.

Now, assuming this isn't necessary and Shepard discovers some miracle that can defeat the Reapers, it will still be a hollow victory in some respects. The inescapable fact is that we will ALL BE CONSUMED BY REAPER TECH ANYWAY! Their technology will not vanish, it will instead be laying around for everyone in the galaxy to scoop up and reverse engineer. Terrifying things like indoctrination and quantum-entaglement devices will proliferate throughout the galaxy. One way or another, we will all become Reapers.

Ummmm, I def feel like you're giving them massive amounts of credit and us none. We have Shepard and apparently the thanix cannon is insane. If this technology is implemented, then I think regular old ships have a fighting chance. The geth are also the same as the reapers and have developed their own technology. Allying with them is having an ace in the hole. As soon as the reapers land on planets, they can't simply FTL off of a planet. That's when they're weakest and we have seen that they do in fact land in order to claim a planet in the trailer. There's no fleeing from that. Being synthetic might also be their biggest weakness because of their dependence on a power source that can be disabled with something like an EMP. Bottom line is I think guerilla tactics and something BioWare has yet to reveal to us will give humanity and the rest of the galaxy at least a fighting chance.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What happens when you put a human up against a computer designed to win at Jeopardy or Chess? There's a real example and it isn't a pretty one.

Last time I checked, the computer kicked everyone's asses in Jeopardy.