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[Fiery Phoenix]

Mr./Ms. Deden, I admit you've raised some well thought out points and all, but do you honestly believe we're going to lose this war? Because there has to be some way to win, as part of the resolution of the overarching plot.

[jlb524]

I'm sure there will be a 'kill all Reapers' button.

[Fiery Phoenix]

jlb524 wrote...

I'm sure there will be a 'kill all Reapers' button.

Thankfully, GameInformer asked Casey about that and he said it won't at all play out like that.

[Someone With Mass]

jlb524 wrote...

I'm sure there will be a 'kill all Reapers' button.

Sorry to disappoint you, but BioWare stated themselves that there will be no such thing in ME3. 
A on/off switch, as they called it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Mr./Ms. Deden, I admit you've raised some well thought out points and all, but do you honestly believe we're going to lose this war?

Of-course not. I, the player, the fan of these games, know that obviously there will be a way for the hero to overcome the villains. However when I analyze the situation as though I were somebody within the Mass Effect universe I don't see any believable way we could survive.

I see. It's interesting to look it at from that viewpoint. If you've read the GI coverage, Casey Hudson said it is being set up in a way such that the whole situation feels hopeless at first (i.e. the beginning of ME3), but then you proceed with the story, start finding clues and it all grows from there.

[Nashiktal]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Mr./Ms. Deden, I admit you've raised some well thought out points and all, but do you honestly believe we're going to lose this war?

Of-course not. I, the player, the fan of these games, know that obviously there will be a way for the hero to overcome the villains. However when I analyze the situation as though I were somebody within the Mass Effect universe I don't see any believable way we could survive.

I see. It's interesting to look it at from that viewpoint. If you've read the GI coverage, Casey Hudson said it is being set up in a way such that the whole situation feels hopeless at first (i.e. the beginning of ME3), but then you proceed with the story, start finding clues and it all grows from there.

I am looking forward to this process. One of the things I was hoping for way back in ME1 was a chance to be part of a *serious* war. While Saren was a serious threat, you never really encountered him in a *nitty gritty* way. The only time things ever felt like a *war* to me was on feros. 

[dragonflight288]

Well Deden, you are quite a pessimist. I'm not arguing your points. But the geth were able to design a virus to rewrite other AI. And before you argue that that won't work, I wasn't even suggesting it. Reapers have thousands of virtual or artificial intelligences throughout each individual reaper. I applaud your realism.

But seriously, you can't say we all will not survive period. A few dozen protheans survived and were able to rewrite the keepers. The Reaper's gameplan had to change from that point on. Their old tactics would no longer work. This is the first time Reapers will have to adapt to new battlefield strategies (that I know of)

I agree there's little hope, but I believe there is a small hope.

[DarkNova50]

I dismiss your argument as quitter talk.

Why, I once defeated a Turian armada with little more than a poorly equipped Batarian frigate, and a thimble of corn oil.

[Reapinger]

DarkNova50 wrote...

I dismiss your argument as quitter talk.

Why, I once defeated a Turian armada with little more than a poorly equipped Batarian frigate, and a thimble of corn oil.

Don't forget the stick of gum and the lint in your belly button! 

[Rip504]

The Reapers are ships and life. In ME2 we found out Reapers can have weak points. They are just ships. And ships can be destroyed, just as a life can be ended. Nothing is impossible when the Human race unites!

The Reapers will fall!!!

[Faust1991]

This guy must have made that protoss mission in Starcraft 2 where the end of the world happened.

[Moiaussi]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

The Reapers are ships and life. In ME2 we found out Reapers can have weak points. They are just ships. And ships can be destroyed, just as a life can be ended. Nothing is impossible when the Human race unites!

The Reapers will fall!!!

An aircraft carrier is just a ship too but without some serious ordinance you are going to be had pressed to sink one, let alone hundreds or thousands.

Which is why warships carry serious ordinance. They did consider installing confettii dispensors and "Bang" flags instead of shells or missiles, but actually military grade ordinace seemed the better way to go.

And actually if you were dealing with thousands or hundreds of thousands of carriers, the solution would be simple. Hit the supply ships and the vast bulk of them wouldn't be able to do a thing. It takes a lot of fuel to keep planes in the air.

That might even end up being the answer in ME3. If the Reapers only move their fleet and/or reproduce once every 50,000 years they might have strategic limitations above and beyond just waiting for 'crops' to mature.

[CroGamer002]

Zeevico wrote...

Step 1: Trial on Earth
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

I don't get it.

[z4t001]

more support for my theory of a sarenesque ending

i can haz genocide?

[Reapinger]

Faust1991 wrote...

This guy must have made that protoss mission in Starcraft 2 where the end of the world happened.

+1 - worst mission... ever. Awesome, but futile.

[Someone With Mass]

Reapinger wrote...

Faust1991 wrote...

This guy must have made that protoss mission in Starcraft 2 where the end of the world happened.

+1 - worst mission... ever. Awesome, but futile.

It was neat to hear everyone go "En Taro Tassadar!", though.  

[Moiaussi]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Indeed, however in this case we have not warships, we have rocks. (in a manner of speaking)

The real threat isn't the firepower of the Reapers as much as it is their mobility and our reliance on planet-based support structures.

Indeed, like I've maintained from the first post, it is logistics that will kill us. The Reapers have no supply chains but we do. That's how they'll kill us.

Logistics only kill us if the Citadel falls, and we know from ME1 that the Reapers actually have to dock to acheive that. If we can get the citadel closed, defense should be possible. We also don't know yet everything that has been learned since ME1.

Did the Council learn anything from Vigil's override program? Have we learned anything new about the Citadel? We don't know.

As for supply chains, we don't know that either. For all we know "scorched earth" combined with maintaining our mobility might be enough. The Reapers might be just as dependant on planetary production. We do know that they don't normally simply bombard. They might normally rely on tricks such as indoctrination and seeker swarms and husk conversion to do the bulk of their fighting, and then on planetary production using converted indigenous populations to resupply to sustain the war.

We have a counter to the swarms. If we can get a counter to indoctrination, the Reapers might actually have problems.

We also don't know what really killed sovereign. It may be that Reapers sheilding has some sort of time limit.

We DO know that the Reapers don't consider themselves as invulnerable as they adverise. If they really were invulnerable they wouldn't need to say so and wouldn't need to worry about limiting mobility and communications. They definately have weak points they are hiding. We just will need most of ME3 to figure them out and how to exploit them.

[dragonflight288]

It's not an impossible battle. For every other cycle, the Reapers relied on a surprise attack at the citadel and then shutting down every mass relay so the species that relied on them would be fish out of water. They wouldn't know how to adapt without mass relays. Then the Reapers systematically attacked each race one by one.

They can't do that this time. This is the first time they have to face an entire galaxy at once.

[dragonflight288]

*sigh* You're are just so determined that we'll lose. You can't see any hope? Pride comes before the fall, and I can't think of anything more proud than giant machines that have never lost. They are full of huris. And they are facing complications up the whazoo that they never had to deal with before. I don't discount their numbers or their strengths. I honestly think saving the galaxy is a long shot. But because they have to come up with new strategies, because things are going wrong that they never handled before, this is the best chance any species has to defeating the Reapers.

There is very little hope, but there still is a chance. Very slim, but it's there.

[Mr Powers94]

agreed