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It's Impossible to Defeat the Reapers

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:17

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Now since the exploration of the citadel races have effectively been stopped for 2000 years since the rachni wars there is a high probability that there are a whole host of races out there that haven't been encountered and are pretty much unknown to the reapers.


Which just means it will take them longer to hunt them do.

The Protheans were merely delaying the inevitable. As has Shepard.


Thats some good roleplaying you got goinf there:D. Happy first!

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:25

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I hope one of the endings for ME3 has Shepard accepting the Reapers' plan and allowing them to win so that humanity can 'ascend'.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:31

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DrRedrum wrote...

100k wrote...

I'm pretty sure that we'll just suck the reapers into a black hole. The reapers would be, if not destroyed, at least transported into the farthest reaches of dark space where it would take thousands of years to get proper navagational readings, and interstellar positioning. Hell, they might end up somewhere so far beyond the ME galaxy, that they would be completely lost, and stumble upon a civilization that would crush them like ants.


This might work, some cry "we didn't actualy destroy them then!" but it kinda fits. Shepard would just say, now we can get really prepared! It would end ME3 in victory as well as allow for expansion of the IP afterward



Agreed. I am hoping that ME3 doesn't boil down to infect the reapers with the prothean virus so that they all die like I think it will, but who knows? I HOPE that it is emphasized that the Reapers have been wiping out more advanced species for millions of years, and that fleets, computer viruses, and united civilizations aren't enough to stop this cycle of existence.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:33

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Okay we can't beat 100 reapers, but there are solutions.

Maybe earth = Dresden. We sacrifice earth to discover something really important about the reapers, like the enigma code. Then we use that to get ahead of them somehow, like, we incommunicate one reaper, kill it, and imitate its signals, so we fool the other reapers into disorganization in a sort of tower of babel moment so eventually we can kill them one by one. lol it's so dishonest.

Hey, how about we find a way to get the core of the earth to react in some way so the entire code ignites a huge nuclear explosion that kills a lot of reapers? Of course we can't tell that to the people living there, because everybody would want to leave and the reapers would notice something funny is about to happen, jeopardizing the entire operation.

Or we could do that to the sun, not the earth! It's well known that many stars explode when they die. Might as well figure out a way to control when that explosions will happen. So we blow up the sun, and the entire solar system, reapers included, are history.

Our combined fleets can finish whatever is left up.

It's not like earth is so important now that we have eden prime, terra nova and other human planets anyway. 11,400,000,000 casualties is bad, yeah, but oh well.

No, actually it's a lot easier: Tali spams AI hacking and they kill one another. :D

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:35

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I'm afraid an active imagination won't win the war. Nothing will. You'd better be hoping for divine intervention.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:37

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Hey! Don't tell me that. I will blow up the solar system. And I will do it FOR HUMANITY.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:39

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Nyoka wrote...

Hey! Don't tell me that. I will blow up the solar system. And I will do it FOR HUMANITY.


Might be worth a try, but I'm positive it won't save humanity anyway. The Reapers aren't stupid. They are well aware now of your relay-destroying ways and they'll be ready. At best you'll buy yourself more time, time that won't help you.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:41

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It would be semi interesting if a choice came up saying "save earth" or "save five other systems". A Cerberus Shepard would choose to save earth, to the appreciation of Miranda, Ash, and Udina. A more universal Shep would save the five systems, initializing a massive conflict with Ashley in particular. Hell, she'd probably try to kill you.

(by "save" I mean issue an emergency mass evacuation, making the humans similar to the quarians)

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:42

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Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm afraid an active imagination won't win the war. Nothing will. You'd better be hoping for divine intervention.


I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is - are you trying to get someone to convince you otherwise?  It's all speculation you have no idea what ultimately is going to come into play in Act 3.

So here's what the conversation is going to be:

You: We're going to lose.
Me: We're going to win.
You: We're going to lose.
Me: We're going to win.

Blah blah blah.

So what's your point?

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 02 avril 2011 - 01:43 .

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:42

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"relay-destroying"? I'm not talking about destroying a relay. I'm talking about destroying the whole f*cking system by triggering the death of the sun.

But you are making them immune to everything. If by definition they are immune to everything, then you are right, nothing will work. You might as well close this thread.=]

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Almostfaceman wrote...

I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is - are you trying to get someone to convince you otherwise?


I'm just spreading the truth for all to see. I would welcome somebody to convince me otherwise, but at this point I'm positive nobody is up to the task.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:44

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It'll have something to do with dark energy I'm sure. You don't bring up a topic like that multiple times in a game without elaborating on it and then just ignore it in the sequel.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:46

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is - are you trying to get someone to convince you otherwise?


I'm just spreading the truth for all to see. I would welcome somebody to convince me otherwise, but at this point I'm positive nobody is up to the task.


It's your opinion, not the truth.

Ok, now it's your turn...

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:47

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Almostfaceman wrote...

It's your opinion, not the truth.


It is the truth until it is proven wrong. If it is wrong, demonstrate why and how. Otherwise just accept that for now you have no effective counter for anything I've said.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:48

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100k wrote...

DrRedrum wrote...

100k wrote...

I'm pretty sure that we'll just suck the reapers into a black hole. The reapers would be, if not destroyed, at least transported into the farthest reaches of dark space where it would take thousands of years to get proper navagational readings, and interstellar positioning. Hell, they might end up somewhere so far beyond the ME galaxy, that they would be completely lost, and stumble upon a civilization that would crush them like ants.


This might work, some cry "we didn't actualy destroy them then!" but it kinda fits. Shepard would just say, now we can get really prepared! It would end ME3 in victory as well as allow for expansion of the IP afterward



Agreed. I am hoping that ME3 doesn't boil down to infect the reapers with the prothean virus so that they all die like I think it will, but who knows? I HOPE that it is emphasized that the Reapers have been wiping out more advanced species for millions of years, and that fleets, computer viruses, and united civilizations aren't enough to stop this cycle of existence.



Perhaps it merely takes giving the Reapers a stern talking to. All the species get together, hold hands and sing songs, and then in a united front tell off the Reapers.

They shuffle off in hangdog shame.

Actually, there was a missed opportunity to take out an unknown number of Reapers in the Arrival DLC. Since destroying a Mass Relay produces an explosion akin to a supernova, Shepard could have timed it right: get the asteroid timed to strike the Mass Relay a few seconds AFTER Reapers started appearing in the system and use the relay to escape the system a moment before impact. A bunch of Reapers are caught in the system with their pants around their ankles while Shep heads off on his merry way and blows the crap out of an unknown force of Reapers.

Then, pick a couple likely Mass Relays that the Reapers may try next (they would have to travel to their alternate the hard/slow way, same as they were doing to get into the DLC system) and setup a similar situation. Wait for the Reapers to appear in some force and then use the relay to escape an instant before blowing it up (and a bunch of Reapers with it). You could take out hundreds at a time. They might tire of the game and go find another galaxy to pick on (andromeda is getting closer and closer and is bigger to boot!).

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:48

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

It's your opinion, not the truth.


It is the truth until it is proven wrong. If it is wrong, demonstrate why and how. Otherwise just accept that for now you have no effective counter for anything I've said.



It can't be proven since it's speculation.

Okay now it's your turn...

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:50

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Almostfaceman wrote...

It can't be proven since it's speculation.


It is not speculation. I have based this on facts that we know about the Reapers and about how space combat works.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:51

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is - are you trying to get someone to convince you otherwise?


I'm just spreading the truth for all to see. I would welcome somebody to convince me otherwise, but at this point I'm positive nobody is up to the task.


You need a evangelical pass to preach on these forums!.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:51

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Remember the Matriarch bartender on Illium? She talked about how she was trying to convince people to build our own mass relays rather than using the premade versions.

You could defeat the Reapers by doing just that. Destroy (or otherwise disable) all the extant mass relays and build new ones without any poison pills from the Reapers in them.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:52

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

It can't be proven since it's speculation.


It is not speculation. I have based this on facts that we know about the Reapers and about how space combat works.



You have no facts it's all speculation.  Prove it's not speculation.  Prove you know how many reapers there will be. How many geth there will be.  How many quarians there will be.  Who's willing to do what and to what extent and why. What kind of weapons could be developed by that time.  What prothean artifacts may be discovered.  What other Reaper secrets we'll uncover.  You can't prove anything.   You can only guess.  Guess = speculation

Ok now it's your turn...

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:54

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

It can't be proven since it's speculation.


It is not speculation. I have based this on facts that we know about the Reapers and about how space combat works.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!


Added that for ya, much more dramatic.

Speaking about the andromeda thing (we are going to collide with it aren't we?), why is it never mentioned in ME?

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:55

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We must act by surprise so they can't retreat.

It is well known the sun will turn into a red giant star. We just need to figure out a way to take the hydrogen away from its core, and the red giant phase will begin, and 8 minutes later, it will be so big that it will eat the earth, with all its inhabitants...and the reapers.

They won't have time to react.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:56

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Getorex wrote...

100k wrote...

DrRedrum wrote...

100k wrote...

I'm pretty sure that we'll just suck the reapers into a black hole. The reapers would be, if not destroyed, at least transported into the farthest reaches of dark space where it would take thousands of years to get proper navagational readings, and interstellar positioning. Hell, they might end up somewhere so far beyond the ME galaxy, that they would be completely lost, and stumble upon a civilization that would crush them like ants.


This might work, some cry "we didn't actualy destroy them then!" but it kinda fits. Shepard would just say, now we can get really prepared! It would end ME3 in victory as well as allow for expansion of the IP afterward



Agreed. I am hoping that ME3 doesn't boil down to infect the reapers with the prothean virus so that they all die like I think it will, but who knows? I HOPE that it is emphasized that the Reapers have been wiping out more advanced species for millions of years, and that fleets, computer viruses, and united civilizations aren't enough to stop this cycle of existence.



Perhaps it merely takes giving the Reapers a stern talking to. All the species get together, hold hands and sing songs, and then in a united front tell off the Reapers.

They shuffle off in hangdog shame.

Actually, there was a missed opportunity to take out an unknown number of Reapers in the Arrival DLC. Since destroying a Mass Relay produces an explosion akin to a supernova, Shepard could have timed it right: get the asteroid timed to strike the Mass Relay a few seconds AFTER Reapers started appearing in the system and use the relay to escape the system a moment before impact. A bunch of Reapers are caught in the system with their pants around their ankles while Shep heads off on his merry way and blows the crap out of an unknown force of Reapers.

Then, pick a couple likely Mass Relays that the Reapers may try next (they would have to travel to their alternate the hard/slow way, same as they were doing to get into the DLC system) and setup a similar situation. Wait for the Reapers to appear in some force and then use the relay to escape an instant before blowing it up (and a bunch of Reapers with it). You could take out hundreds at a time. They might tire of the game and go find another galaxy to pick on (andromeda is getting closer and closer and is bigger to boot!).


Not worth the risk. Shepard didn't have the time or resources to activate the asteroid, and he had no way of knowing exactly when or where the reapers would arrive. They could've shown up in a completely different part of the system, and avoided the explosion. Or, they could have sent a scout reaper to check for any unusual anomalies. Shepard had to make a quick decision if he wanted to live, and stop the reapers. Waiting another ten minutes would've been one hell of a gamble.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 01:57

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Almostfaceman wrote...

You have no facts it's all speculation.  Prove it's not speculation.


Sweety, that isn't how this works. If you say my accusations are baseless then the onus is on you to demonstrate why. As for the support for my side, I have the codex which has articles about space combat. I also have the events of the first game which showed us what it took to bring down just one Reaper. Then there are the events of ME2 and Retribution which demonstrate Reaper quantum-entaglement technology vastly more developed than our own.

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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 02:01

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Does this mean i shouldn't buy Mass Effect 3 when it comes? because bioware won't write us a game that we can win?

I like playing games i can win.

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