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[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

They have to set up a base somewhere if they want to perform experiments on the different species or turn them into milkshakes.

Hit and run tactics would probably work in our favor there, instead of fighting them head on.

But... we already destroyed the Collector Base which did Just That.

[Seboist]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

We've had this discussion in private, but at the heart of it I think there's going to be one particular element that's more important than all others: that the Reapers are not as numerous as many assume. I doubt we'll be facing millions. I doubt we'll even face tens of thousands. I'm skeptical on even a few thousand.

That, at the heart of it, the Reapers won't have the numeric freedom and flexibility people assume they'll have, and have magnitudes less than the worst-case fears.

The ending of ME2 shows only 295 Reapers. 

[Someone With Mass]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
But... we already destroyed the Collector Base which did Just That.

Yeah. So?

They can still establish a stronghold on a planet to discharge on, drop off prisoners/indoctrinated folks, turn them into their new soldiers, eavesdrop on our transmissions, etc etc.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
But... we already destroyed the Collector Base which did Just That.

Yeah. So?

I was referring to the 'research if they can make other species into milkshakes', when that stage has already come and gone.

They can still establish a stronghold on a planet to discharge on, drop off prisoners/indoctrinated folks, turn them into their new soldiers, eavesdrop on our transmissions, etc etc.

Or they could do that with huskification tech they already have built-in. They don't need to stick and defend a conquered planet to the point that it can be used against them. Huskification tech is so 'meh' to them that they're content to leave them on planets to be stumbled upon between cycles. They can take the tech with them: they don't need to transport slaves to be processed elsewhere. Reapers can already do that internally (as shown the Derilect Reaper), and set up shops on the worlds they are conquering.

If the Reapers want to eavesdrop, they'd be much better off sending a probe, a satellite, or hanging around in space. There's no reason they need to put up a defense for a scouting planet when they can do the scouting better from elsewhere anyway.

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

...but at the heart of it I think there's going to be one particular element that's more important than all others: that the Reapers are not as numerous as many assume. I doubt we'll be facing millions. I doubt we'll even face tens of thousands. I'm skeptical on even a few thousand.

Possible. How can we reasonably speculate here? We don't know exactly how long the cycle has been going on or if they produce a new Reaper every cycle or every other or whatever. There easily could be thousands however. It is dangerous to assume that there won't be.

Without metagaming to pre-know our chances? Only by the shred of hope of some intel EDI got from the Collector base. Otherwise, there could easily be not just thousands, but hundreds of millions  of Reapers: the Leviathan of Dis was a billion years ago itself, and every 50,000 years between then if we just average one Reaper every other cycle...

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Why? They can put off all the experimentation until after they've won the war.

So they just know how to combine a turian and a krogan to form the Cannibal or how to combine a batarian and a human, turn an asari into a swollen carrier?

[Heimdall]

Obviously, the odds are against us. So, there will probably be some sort of extraordinary piece of intel from the Collector base or some other source that proves to be the key to everything.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Why? They can put off all the experimentation until after they've won the war.

So they just know how to combine a turian and a krogan to form the Cannibal or how to combine a batarian and a human, turn an asari into a swollen carrier?

The Collectors had millenia to perform such experiments to find out... so why not?

[Someone With Mass]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Without metagaming to pre-know our chances? Only by the shred of hope of some intel EDI got from the Collector base. Otherwise, there could easily be not just thousands, but hundreds of millions  of Reapers: the Leviathan of Dis was a billion years ago itself, and every 50,000 years between then if we just average one Reaper every other cycle...

There's no actual evidence to prove that the Leviathan is a Reaper, though. 

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 25 mai 2011 - 07:57 .

[Someone With Mass]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
The Collectors had millenia to perform such experiments to find out... so why not?

Nope. Only 500 years.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
The Collectors had millenia to perform such experiments to find out... so why not?

Nope. Only 500 years.

Yes, because 500 years is so significantly shorter as to warrant immediate research during the invasion.

Alright, I'll refrain from the eyeroll: I was referring in particular to the duration of Council Space in this cycle. For the better part of 2000 years, the Collectors have had the time and opportunity to study every significant race and combination that's occured during the interim.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

There's no actual evidence to prove that the Leviathan is a Reaper, though. 

Er, it doesn't need to be. It just needs to be have killed by one. It fits the same validity of 'evidence of prior cycles' as all the other planet scans that point towards the Reapers.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Why would they need to do that now and not just after the war?

Because those are their infantry units in ME3.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm fairly sure he meant 'before', not after.

[LGTX]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because those are their infantry units in ME3.

META-GAMING!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't make it any less true though, unfortunately. 

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because those are their infantry units in ME3.

META-GAMING!!!!!!!!!!

[Dean_the_Young]

And yet you cared enough to find a GIF.

[LGTX]

Saphra Deden wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Doesn't make it any less true though, unfortunately. 

It makes it completely irrelevant to this discussion.

...right. Roleplaying during speculation on an unreleased game. 

[Someone With Mass]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And yet you cared enough to find a GIF.

Because searching that on Google is such hard work, yeah?

[Someone With Mass]

LGTX wrote...
...right. Roleplaying during speculation on an unreleased game. 

Oh, I'll be Deus McGuffin!