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[Reapinger]

Well, I'm all for creating a black hole in the middle of their fleet....

[Moiaussi]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I believe they have all the time in the universe to recharge before launching their offensive against the galaxy.

And the more of that 'all the time in the universe' they use doing so is more time to mobilize and/or get a portion of the population a running start.

I agree with the deus ex machina and dark energy being important, but deus ex machina is a cop-out and can't be predicated and we don't know enough about dark energy to speculate.

We know there is a link between dark energy and biotics, and we know that Gillian is way to prominent in the novels not to be important somehow. Jack and TIM's insistance to Pragia that she MUST survive might also figure in to a lesser extent.  

I don't think a scorched Earth policy would work. What would we be scorching and how would it be hurting the Reapers more than it hurts us?

It depends on how supply dependant they are and what kind of supplies they need. It is not a given that it would work, but it might, or at least might be part of a solution.

If the Reapers have reached the galaxy without the aid of the mass relay neetwork then they have already demonstrated and they are not at all reliant on the technology like we are. That means that any tactic which involves destroying relays will wind up hurting us more than it hurts them.

That is hardly a given. They do show up in a system with a mass relay (even if Shepard blows it up), so they might actually be arriving that way after all. They would have lost some when the Alpha relay was cut off, but they could just come in via other relays instead. This also means it might just be an expeditionary force that shows up at Earth rather than the full invasion force they originally planned. If their forces are divided enough it might give us a fighting chance. We do know that they rely heavily on taking over command structures and mobility. Normally they simply take over the Citadel and use it to its full capacity. Cutting off key relays might limit them more than us. 

[Arcadia364]

A mass effect core needs to be discharged after being used for a while or it melts the ship its in from the inside. Since the derelict reaper shows that reapers also use mass effect cores they would also need to discharge after a while (Probably what the red lightning is) Probably isnt going to make a difference because they made a 10,000 Lyr trip without problems but it could be a potential weakness we could exploit maybe fling them back into dark space so far that even they will overload before they get back to invade

Also there are those anti reaper algorythms that Edi has which would give us the chance to hack the reapers maybe turn one against its former team mates

Also im interested in the leviathan of dis it could be the deus ex seeing how reapers are millions of years and this thing was 1 billion years old  especially since its a "Genetically engineered starship" Maybe made by the species who created the Reapers

Modifié par Arcadia364, 07 juin 2011 - 09:28 .

[Veloric Wu]

Nope, it's impossible to completely defeat the Reapers, that would make the story too~~~cheesy.

But I think FemShep Renegade can save Earth. I mean, take a look at this:

Modifié par FeriktheCerberus, 08 juin 2011 - 06:01 .

[Arcadia364]

Damn... i just saw the trailers we have to deal with ceberus too... so if you kept the base it may just make things worse

[Antivenger]

FeriktheCerberus wrote...

Nope, it's impossible to completely defeat the Reapers, that would make the story too~~~cheesy.

But I think FemShep Renegade can save Earth. I mean, take a look at this:

Remember Virmire? Yeah, instead of two squadmates whom a lot of people seem to hate, now you get to choose between races. Quarians vs the Geth. BW's definitely not going for cheesy

Modifié par Antivenger, 08 juin 2011 - 12:15 .

[Arcadia364]

The reapers shields are their biggest defence so what about a weapon which bypasses the sheilds
like fire or acid does on squadmates sheilds

[JoeLaTurkey]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Their armor works just fine

Then we need to fly down a trench, fire into a small thermal exhaust port and knock out the main reactor.

The targeting area is only two metres wide so Shepard's going to have to use proton torpedoes.

Modifié par JoeLaTurkey, 08 juin 2011 - 04:38 .

[JoeLaTurkey]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Two meters? That's impossible! Even for a computer!

It's not impossible, in Overlord you can bullseye cows - they're no bigger than two metres.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Their armor works just fine

As soon as Soverign's shields went down the Alliance fleet was able to destroy him rather quickly. The shields are the key if we can bring the shields down or find a way past them then we have a semi-fair fight on our hands.

[Arcadia364]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Their armor works just fine

Yeah but in mass effect you can see Sovereigns armour is no match for the Combined fire of a fleet

Without their shields they seem somewhat less invincible... the key, the deus ex is how to disable or bypass those shields

Even then though they're gonna shoot us at the same time as were shooting them so we need something else

Modifié par Arcadia364, 08 juin 2011 - 05:13 .

[JoeLaTurkey]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Their armor works just fine

As soon as Soverign's shields went down the Alliance fleet was able to destroy him rather quickly. The shields are the key if we can bring the shields down or find a way past them then we have a semi-fair fight on our hands.

In that case we'll have to hope the Reapers keep a vulnerable shield generator on a moon with one topographical feature, protected by one legion of husks and surrounded by cuddly natives who can defeat the husks with bows and arrows.

...and we can infiltrate the moon with a stolen shuttle and old code clearence.

...I made myself mad again.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

IF we can remove the shields than the entire battle changes from a slaughter to a real fight. The Normandy was a normal frigate in ME1 they are described as wolves trying to take down a bigger enemy ship. If a single frigate can punch through the armor of a Reaper then Cruissers and Dreadnaughts won't have a problem either.

Mark my words the key to beating the Reapers will be removing their shields.

[Moiaussi]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yeah, 'cause they totally believe you.

In the mission briefing, Hackett tells Shepard he totally believes him, so yes Shepard had reason to believe that.

How does their forces being divided help us? That means we have to divide our forces as well. It makes the war more complicated. We could try keep our forces in large of groups as possible, but that means sacrificing more and more worlds. It would be hard to get each government to go along with it since they'd disagree on which worlds to save.

You are assuming that we have to save everything to win. That is not a given. If the Reapers kept their forces tight and cut off each empire quickly and decisively one at a time, we might not have a chance to save any of them. Retaking a world where large portions of the population have been converted to husks (which we know the spires can do very quickly) is a lot harder than dealing with smaller more managable forces on any given world.

Baring any magical AoE 'kill them all at once' weapons (wave motion gun, anyone?), massed firepower has huge advantages. If they are divided, we can mass our firepower. They will need more time to take worlds with lower troop strength per world and any given occupied world will be easier to hit.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

@ thurmanator692 that really doesn't matter at all. Once the shields were down a single frigate is shown to have the fire power to punch right through the armor and into the mass effect generator blowing it up. If the armor is that weak than a ship with even more fire power will be able to shred through a Reaper quickly.

Modifié par ISpeakTheTruth, 08 juin 2011 - 05:11 .

[Moiaussi]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Sovereign's shields weren't just down, it was like it had to recover from Saren's death, which made it even more weakened than it would have been were it's shields just down

Its "active defenses" were down. Personally I think "shielding" can easily be used as an inclusive term to include all active defenses.

[Arcadia364]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

@ thurmanator692 that really doesn't matter at all. Once the shields were down a single frigate is shown to have the fire power to punch right through the armor and into the mass effect generator blowing it up. If the armor is that weak than a ship with even more fire power will be able to shred through a Reaper quickly.

i would add the normandy was state of the art with a massive element zero core

Actually come to think of it EDI happens to have cyberwarfare programs from sovereigns corpse and EDI listed the kind of things she can do once she hacks into systems including disabling shields

Modifié par Arcadia364, 08 juin 2011 - 05:24 .