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Nuke 'em from orbit.
Seriously, nukes discharge a large amount of heat and shockwave, and that's what a mass effect field can't handle.The only problem is it's hard to detonate the nukes when the reapers are around,they probably will shoot them down with their laser first.


Nukes aren't necessary if you are dropping things from orbit. Anything with sufficient mass and speed will do the job.

Of-course the Reapers won't just sit there and let you blast them.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but during the Krogan Reblions didn't the Krogan have tech that let them slam asteroids into a planet destroying them? That was centuries ago tech is far better I could see a situation where a planet is all but lost but still has a huge number of Reapers on it and slam asteroids into it. An asteroid had the ability to destroy a Relay (Which evena super nova couldn't destroy) so a few massive asteroids into the planet could probably take out a far number of them.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but during the Krogan Reblions didn't the Krogan have tech that let them slam asteroids into a planet destroying them?


I don't recall if they did or not but such tech would not be all that sophisticated. We have that technology right now on EARTH. All you have to do is find an large enough rock in space (of which there are plenty of) and then alter its trajectory. Knowledge of mathematics is helpful.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Osiris273 wrote...

Nuke 'em from orbit.
Seriously, nukes discharge a large amount of heat and shockwave, and that's what a mass effect field can't handle.The only problem is it's hard to detonate the nukes when the reapers are around,they probably will shoot them down with their laser first.


Nukes aren't necessary if you are dropping things from orbit. Anything with sufficient mass and speed will do the job.

Of-course the Reapers won't just sit there and let you blast them.

Got to create some diversion first!!

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Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong but during the Krogan Reblions didn't the Krogan have tech that let them slam asteroids into a planet destroying them?


I don't recall if they did or not but such tech would not be all that sophisticated. We have that technology right now on EARTH. All you have to do is find an large enough rock in space (of which there are plenty of) and then alter its trajectory. Knowledge of mathematics is helpful.


There is a matter of speed though. Presumably antimatter based propulsion and ME fields would make it a lot easier.

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Which is where the tech would be needed. Each Reaper has the ablity to us FTL so if an asteroid into a planet it couldn't be a slow drift it would have to be a very very fast event but I think if we can do that any planet that has an asteroid field around that planet and a large amount of Reapers on that planet than we could have a good way of taking a bite out of the Reaper Fleet.

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would anybody here be willing to sacrfice homeworlds being reaped to stop them?

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would anybody here be willing to sacrfice homeworlds being reaped to stop them?


Any homeworld but Earth, yes.

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See, i don't think sacrificing homeworlds as a good move. Morale can make or break an army, if none of the species have anything to fight for, odds are they wont fight. Most would probably give in if their homeworld were destroyed. I honestly think humanity has the best chance of stopping the reapers out of any species that has come before due to the reasons on the previous page, but humanity would need the muscle and resources of other species to do it.

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See, i don't think sacrificing homeworlds as a good move.


Done right it will carve us out a bigger slice of the pie once the war is won.

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Must....resist......idealistic.......comeback....
I suppose im not to worried about the long-term pollitical gain of humanity in the face of a threat of apocalyptic proportions

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Must....resist......idealistic.......comeback....
I suppose im not to worried about the long-term pollitical gain of humanity in the face of a threat of apocalyptic proportions


It's not necessarily my #1 priority either, but it is something I keep in mind.

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I do think that out of everyone, humanity has the best chance of stopping the reapers, I just don't like the idea of everybody having to give but us

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I do think that out of everyone, humanity has the best chance of stopping the reapers, I just don't like the idea of everybody having to give but us


Interstellar politics isn't about being fair, it's about being successful. We give if we have to, not because others want us to. Otherwise we take what we can get and offer nothing unless it benefits us and/or we have no other choice. The other races, particularly the Council races, being decimated will make it easier for us to catch up with them in population and economic output.

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Yeah, yeah. I know. Still don't like it.

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thurmanator692 wrote...

would anybody here be willing to sacrfice homeworlds being reaped to stop them?


I would. We're talking about stopping monsterous evil here, about finally freeing the galaxy from a specie that has been destroying all sentient life in the galaxy possibly for trillions of years and if I had to sacrifice Earth to stop that evil I would I'd feel bad but when weighed with all the life that has been snuffed out by the Reapers and all the countless lives that will continue to be wiped out not only this cycle but probably every cycle untill the end of time than yes I would do that.

I'm amazed that there are people who knowing what will happen to all sentient life if the Reapers aren't beaten would refuse to do whatever was possible to stop it once and for all is remarkable to me. If Earth was destroyed in the fight against the Reapers that wouldn't demoralize people it would bring them all together like the Alamo did and would drive humanity to finish the job. As far as galactic politics humanity is already seen as saviors for just saving the Council if humanity would be willing to give up their homeworld to defeat the greatest threat the galaxy has ever known than humanity would be seen as guardian angels and would have earned the absolute trust and out right love of every sentient being probably for generations to come that would give us alot of political power right there. After the war the Council would give humanity the best planets in the galaxy to rebuild what we lost.

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I just see homeworld sacrifices having a negative impact on any effort to mobilize an army later on. What's the point of fighting if everything worth personally fighting is already gone?

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I'm amazed that there are people who knowing what will happen to all sentient life if the Reapers aren't beaten would refuse to do whatever was possible to stop it once and for all is remarkable to me.


What's the point in saving anything if we can't save humanity? Without Earth humanity is finished as a galactic power and will ultimately fall prey to the other races as they utilize the leftover Reaper tech. We'll be crushed under technological Reaper singularity.

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That's kind of my point for the other species as well, humanity can't stand on it's own.

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That's kind of my point for the other species as well, humanity can't stand on it's own.


It has stood on its own for about 100,000 years. It can stand on its own for a 100,000 more.

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I just see homeworld sacrifices having a negative impact on any effort to mobilize an army later on. What's the point of fighting if everything worth personally fighting is already gone?


In human history seeing something that we care about being destroyed or taken away from us because of our enemy has never taken away our ability to respond but has rallied us to hit back. The Alamo, Pearl Harbor, 911. All of those things horrified us at first but then we rallied behind our leaders and it gave us more determination than we ever had before that moment.

What is there to fight for? Life, the ability to have a tomorrow that is what fighting the Reapers mean. Not fighting means extinction, it means the death of everyone you know. The loss of a single planet isn't going to make any specie roll over and die.

If Council history has shown us anything is that they reward those that have helped them, The Krogan were given planets and technology to build a future and if humanity saved everyone from death than they will help us in any way we need to get back to where we were even if it takes generations humanity endures and it finds a way we are strong enough to be strong again. Also the idea that anyone would want to attack humanity is odd and its even more odd to believe that any of the other races in the galaxy wouldn't jump to our add after what we did.

Like I mentioned before a single act of selflessness saving the Council completely changed the attitude of everyon in Coucil space from new comers who don't know their place to saviors. Saving the galaxy again would make everyone see humanity as a noble specie that would be a far lesser place without them. Besides we could always make Mars our new homeworld its the second largest human population and all the infrastructure needed to take up the mantle.

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The things you listed are all events that hurt part of a country, never before has humanity lost their ancestral home, never before have approximately 9 billion humans been killed or taken captive by a foe that could destroy cities within hours, never before have entire civilizations fell to their knees so quickly. Fighting to take back a homeworld is a lot more of a driving force than having to watch it burn for the greater good

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The ancestral home isn't as huge a deal as it would be for us. The majority of humanity today weren't born on Earth they were born on Mars or the other planets in the solar system or off in other parts of the galaxy that is shwon by the fact only one of three possible shepards can even be born on earth the other two were somewhere else and thats representative of humanity as a whole.


Also you forget that we won't be alone in the fight every other specie in the galaxy is going to be on the same page as us so its not going to have to be all us.

I would only sacrafice Earth if I believed the benefits would outweigh the losses as my Paragon shepard always has. The only thing that would make him do that is if destroying the Earth meant the destruction of a huge portion of the Reaper fleet or if sacraficing the Earth meant saving another world/worlds that held more resources for us to defeat the Reapers. Earth as it stands in ME3 is a defeated world that's what it is if I had to sacrafice an already defeated world to defeat our enemy than I'll reluctantly do it.

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It would be my very extreme last resort. and only after most of the population is offworld as well as a transplantable ecosystem. That goes for any homeworld, not just earth

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ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

The ancestral home isn't as huge a deal as it would be for us. The majority of humanity today weren't born on Earth they were born on Mars or the other planets in the solar system or off in other parts of the galaxy that is shwon by the fact only one of three possible shepards can even be born on earth the other two were somewhere else and thats representative of humanity as a whole.


Also you forget that we won't be alone in the fight every other specie in the galaxy is going to be on the same page as us so its not going to have to be all us.

I would only sacrafice Earth if I believed the benefits would outweigh the losses as my Paragon shepard always has. The only thing that would make him do that is if destroying the Earth meant the destruction of a huge portion of the Reaper fleet or if sacraficing the Earth meant saving another world/worlds that held more resources for us to defeat the Reapers. Earth as it stands in ME3 is a defeated world that's what it is if I had to sacrafice an already defeated world to defeat our enemy than I'll reluctantly do it.


how do you figure this when 90% or more of the human population is on earth? I mean the part about how more people are born off earth than on earth?

Modifié par OmegaXI, 10 juin 2011 - 08:14 .