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[CulturalGeekGirl]

There's also narrative causality.

You know, there's nothing more certain than a one in a million chance.

[Dave666]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

There's also narrative causality.

You know, there's nothing more certain than a one in a million chance.

But what if its a one in 999,999 chance? 

Modifié par Dave666, 02 avril 2011 - 06:58 .

[Pwener2313]

The fighters in the battle of the Citadel were unharmed.

The Normandy - unharmed.

The Reaper's main weapons are they're tentacle lasers. Those do **** against agile ships. The VGA trailer shows the Reapers not being able to lock on into small ships, the only problem is they're super shields. They're too powerful, even for dreadnaughts, so there is no was a fighter can do anything, including with a Thanix Cannon since they are too big for a fighter. It would require a big ship to take out the shields and then fighters moving in since they're amor seems to be made of the same thing as the Hammerhead.

[Tazzmission]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seriously, it can't be done. Let me give you a run down of why we can't possibly hope to be victorious in this war.

Firstly, as the codex will tell you, in space-borne combat the combatants can flee at any time. If at any point one side feels it is losing the battle it can turn tale and run away. It can do this infinitely. This is especially true of the Reapers.

There is a key difference between us and the Reapers though. Any enemy we fight will, somewhere, have some sort of planet/moon/asteroid based assets to defend. Thus we can assault their planets to earn a victory if we must.

With the Reapers however this is not so. They have no planetary assets that they must defend. The Reapers are self sufficient, space-borne intelligences. It has been pointed out that they want the Earth and while this may be true, I guarantee you that they want their own continual survival even more than that. Assuming we successfully rally the galaxy to come and get their people killed to save our planet this offers no promise of victory against the Reapers. As soon as they realize the battle is turning against them (assuming that it does and that they don't just obliterate every fleet in the galaxy), the Reapers will flee.

They'll fly up, abandon the Earth, and disappear in to the vast Milky Way galaxy. Maybe some aliens will get smart and blow up the Charon relay, isolating the Reapers in our cluster. This might buy the galaxy some time, but they'll never have any hope of winning the war.

The thing is, the Reapers don't need to capture any planets besides Earth. All they have to do is drop in out of FTL near a planet and bombard all of its inhabitants into ash. They can do this again and again on every populated world in the galaxy until none remain.

Whether it takes decades or centuries in time every race in the galaxy will be exterminated and any human survivors will be cultivated into a new Reaper.

The only remote possibility of victory is if we wait until all of the Reapers are busy harvesting Earth and then blow up the Charon relay. Theoreticaly the shockwave would overtake the Earth and destroy all of the Reapers before they could flee. After all, it is safe to assume that shockwave is travelling at the speed of light, or near it, or even faster than that. There is no way to avoid it unless you know ahead of time that it is coming. The Reapers could do this. If they have quantum entaglement devices installed in the relays (or at least in the Charon relay) they would know immediately that it had been destroyed and may be able to flee to avoid the shockwave. This is quite likely considering how trivial and widespread quantum entaglement technology is for the Reapers. The Collectors and Saren were riddled with it and the implants 'given' to Paul Grayson were linked to the Reapers in this way.

Now, assuming this isn't necessary and Shepard discovers some miracle that can defeat the Reapers, it will still be a hollow victory in some respects. The inescapable fact is that we will ALL BE CONSUMED BY REAPER TECH ANYWAY! Their technology will not vanish, it will instead be laying around for everyone in the galaxy to scoop up and reverse engineer. Terrifying things like indoctrination and quantum-entaglement devices will proliferate throughout the galaxy. One way or another, we will all become Reapers.

um did you play legions recruitment? in order to take down a reaper you destroy its core......

[Tazzmission]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

um did you play legions recruitment? in order to take down a reaper you destroy its core......

Right. We'll just dock with each Reaper and stroll down to the core like it's no big thing.

put it like this man. imagine a full on assult by having armies of turians batarians, quarians and geth invade reaper cores... hell for all we know the council may green light for cerbrus to become a military branch again like they once were.

[Leonia]

Saphra Deden wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Reading over the thread, we're all indulging in useless speculation.

Yeah, all of you are, but not me. I'm looking at facts and drawing a conclusion.

Oh really? Then those facts and drawn conclusions should include the possibility of failing to stop the Reapers and ensuring the next cycle of space-goers has a chance to stop them. You know, like Vigil gave us a chance, we should be giving the next group a chance too. Maybe we aren't supposed to win this round. It's a gloomy way to look at it, sure, but we should still prepare for the worst and if we're going to look at facts then we need to learn from everything the Protheans did, the things they did right and the things they did wrong. Since you're so adamantly convinced the Reapers can't be stopped, why do you also think it is a poor idea to prepare for the future? I'm not seeing a lot of facts here, honestly and that statement seems fairly arrogant. You stated early on that you don't have the answer, don't change your mind now.

[Dave666]

leonia42 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Reading over the thread, we're all indulging in useless speculation.

Yeah, all of you are, but not me. I'm looking at facts and drawing a conclusion.

Oh really? Then those facts and drawn conclusions should include the possibility of failing to stop the Reapers and ensuring the next cycle of space-goers has a chance to stop them. You know, like Vigil gave us a chance, we should be giving the next group a chance too. Maybe we aren't supposed to win this round. It's a gloomy way to look at it, sure, but we should still prepare for the worst and if we're going to look at facts then we need to learn from everything the Protheans did, the things they did right and the things they did wrong. Since you're so adamantly convinced the Reapers can't be stopped, why do you also think it is a poor idea to prepare for the future? I'm not seeing a lot of facts here, honestly and that statement seems fairly arrogant. You stated early on that you don't have the answer, don't change your mind now.

Honestly leonia, when someone throws around 'Facts' and claims they are right and you are wrong, just laugh at them.  Just look at my rebuttal to the one you're replying to. lol

[Tazzmission]

leonia42 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Reading over the thread, we're all indulging in useless speculation.

Yeah, all of you are, but not me. I'm looking at facts and drawing a conclusion.

Oh really? Then those facts and drawn conclusions should include the possibility of failing to stop the Reapers and ensuring the next cycle of space-goers has a chance to stop them. You know, like Vigil gave us a chance, we should be giving the next group a chance too. Maybe we aren't supposed to win this round. It's a gloomy way to look at it, sure, but we should still prepare for the worst and if we're going to look at facts then we need to learn from everything the Protheans did, the things they did right and the things they did wrong. Since you're so adamantly convinced the Reapers can't be stopped, why do you also think it is a poor idea to prepare for the future? I'm not seeing a lot of facts here, honestly and that statement seems fairly arrogant. You stated early on that you don't have the answer, don't change your mind now.

tbh i really want me3 to end on both renegade and paragon with the earth being destroyed. i am honestly rooting for the bad guys because lets face it they never win. and what better way to close shepards trilogy is to by destroying the earth and have shepard die in a memorable way.

[Leonia]

Nice rebuttal, Dave, it made me laugh out loud a bit. I only made the post because it felt like CulturalGeekGirl brought up a good point that was being vehemently ignored by the OP.

[Dave666]

leonia42 wrote...

Nice rebuttal, Dave, it made me laugh out loud a bit. I only made the post because it felt like CulturalGeekGirl brought up a good point that was being vehemently ignored by the OP.

Cheers, I just feel that sometimes people are too opinionated for their own good and often won't even consider an alternative view point.  Thats where we get to have some fun. 

[Abispa]

All my ME3 predictions are based on the Bible Code. The are, literally, gospel.

[Bachmors]

Remember the weapon of that extinct civilization that took out the derelict reaper? A few of those would come in handy ...

And don't forget Star Wars! The Empire was so sure no one could destroy their precious deathstar, but one torpedo into a ventilation-shaft was enough ;-)

[Esbatty]

I expect Shep's Love Interest to belt out a Song that will calm the Reapers and send them back into Deep Space. if you didn't romance anyone at least Kelly will give you a lapdance as Earth and the Normandy are destoryed.

[Lukertin]

Bachmors wrote...

Remember the weapon of that extinct civilization that took out the derelict reaper? A few of those would come in handy ...

And don't forget Star Wars! The Empire was so sure no one could destroy their precious deathstar, but one torpedo into a ventilation-shaft was enough ;-)

That weapon was apparently just a huge mass driver.

[Dave666]

Bachmors wrote...

Remember the weapon of that extinct civilization that took out the derelict reaper? A few of those would come in handy ...

And don't forget Star Wars! The Empire was so sure no one could destroy their precious deathstar, but one torpedo into a ventilation-shaft was enough ;-)

That made me laugh but I got some disturbing imagery in my head..something about Sentient starships and tailpipes...ew!

[Leonia]

Abispa wrote...

All my ME3 predictions are based on the Bible Code. The are, literally, gospel.

This is my favourite post of the day. <3

[88mphSlayer]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

There's also narrative causality.

You know, there's nothing more certain than a one in a million chance.

which is why it's so popular to feed the expected ending to a player/viewer then throw in a twist... like how you knew you would take down Saren eventually in ME1, what you didn't know is just what the reaper threat actually was or if it was even possible to stop that threat as well

'course then they gave us the deus ex machina at the end where our surprise enemy dies or something when saren goes kaputt (still not sure how that worked) but oh well, i was just so excited to survive the twist and look forward to a whole trilogy of new mysterious aliens to defeat

with ME3 they shouldn't give us a deus ex machina

[Dave666]

88mphSlayer wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

There's also narrative causality.

You know, there's nothing more certain than a one in a million chance.

which is why it's so popular to feed the expected ending to a player/viewer then throw in a twist... like how you knew you would take down Saren eventually in ME1, what you didn't know is just what the reaper threat actually was or if it was even possible to stop that threat as well

'course then they gave us the deus ex machina at the end where our surprise enemy dies or something when saren goes kaputt (still not sure how that worked) but oh well, i was just so excited to survive the twist and look forward to a whole trilogy of new mysterious aliens to defeat

with ME3 they shouldn't give us a deus ex machina

Pretty sure it was a Terry Prattchet Discworld reference. 

[M-Sinistrari]

Wow, this thread's still going on?

Dave666 wrote...

Cheers, I just feel that sometimes people are too opinionated for their own good and often won't even consider an alternative view point.  Thats where we get to have some fun. 

Your fact post did make me laugh, and made my cat jump.

While I do enjoy these sorts of 'what if' discussions, it loses it's amusement when one with a particular viewpoint is going to resort to cherry picking to avoid the opposing points that they can't refute as well as call out opposing viewpoints as speculation or even better 'You're wrong'  when they're doing the same thing.

I don't care how they handle the Reaper defeat in ME3 as long as the game's well put together and is suitably epic as it should be for the series end.

[Dave666]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Wow, this thread's still going on?

Dave666 wrote...

Cheers, I just feel that sometimes people are too opinionated for their own good and often won't even consider an alternative view point.  Thats where we get to have some fun. 

Your fact post did make me laugh, and made my cat jump.

While I do enjoy these sorts of 'what if' discussions, it loses it's amusement when one with a particular viewpoint is going to resort to cherry picking to avoid the opposing points that they can't refute as well as call out opposing viewpoints as speculation or even better 'You're wrong'  when they're doing the same thing.

I don't care how they handle the Reaper defeat in ME3 as long as the game's well put together and is suitably epic as it should be for the series end.

Thats exactly why I like debating, perhaps theres something I haven't thought of, perhaps an idea I had has more holes than swiss cheese, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Perhaps I might have noticed something that another has missed that might shed light on a subject. (Perfect example for you, in another thread I pointed out that the writers gave Hacket plausible deniability with the handing back of a certain Report...)  So far I hadn't seen anyone notice that. 

[M-Sinistrari]

Dave666 wrote...

Thats exactly why I like debating, perhaps theres something I haven't thought of, perhaps an idea I had has more holes than swiss cheese, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Perhaps I might have noticed something that another has missed that might shed light on a subject. (Perfect example for you, in another thread I pointed out that the writers gave Hacket plausible deniability with the handing back of a certain Report...)  So far I hadn't seen anyone notice that. 

I'm all for a good meaty argument/debate to where it's almost as satisfying as a gourmet cooked meal, but in this situation it's like trying to debate with someone with both fingers in ears screaming 'LALALALALALA'.  Though with the latter one can revert to writing points down and holding it in front of them until they close thier eyes.

I did that once, person in question still refuses to talk to me beyond saying hi.

[Dave666]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Thats exactly why I like debating, perhaps theres something I haven't thought of, perhaps an idea I had has more holes than swiss cheese, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Perhaps I might have noticed something that another has missed that might shed light on a subject. (Perfect example for you, in another thread I pointed out that the writers gave Hacket plausible deniability with the handing back of a certain Report...)  So far I hadn't seen anyone notice that. 

I'm all for a good meaty argument/debate to where it's almost as satisfying as a gourmet cooked meal, but in this situation it's like trying to debate with someone with both fingers in ears screaming 'LALALALALALA'.  Though with the latter one can revert to writing points down and holding it in front of them until they close thier eyes.

I did that once, person in question still refuses to talk to me beyond saying hi.

That cracked me up! Excellent analogy!