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[blacqout]

I've been playing through Dragon Age II as a Mage recently, and i really found myself enjoying the game's first act a lot more for Carver being in it.

Bethany is sweet and agreeable, but the interaction with her is somewhat dull. Certainly, nothing to come out of her mouth compares with Carver's casually blaming Hawke for their sister's death during one conversation, nor the uneasy truce called when he and i agreed upon the only course of action to take with slavers.

He's not always likable, in fact he's often a bit of a b*****... but that's cool, because purple-speech-option Hawke has no shortage of ways to hilariously describe him as such.

His "gift" also opens up a nice piece of family backstory, that i don't think is accessible otherwise.

While i really do love Dragon Age II, i've currently hit the "hump" in my recent playthrough, where it's starting to feel like a litte bit of a grind (the fact that Mage clothing choices are so poor isn't helping), but i'm pushing through almost entirely because i want to see how Carver is getting on with the Grey Wardens and how he comes to be involved in the finale.

Anyway, that's it. I've noticed that Carver gets a lot of criticism. I just wanted to say i really like him.

[wulfsturm]

I thought Carver was a dick, personally.

[thatguy212]

I didn't like Carver at first but he grew on me, he's a templar for me, lead to a couple of fun moments late in game

[Lithuasil]

He's certainly well written - I liked him personally, as much of a ****** as he is. I can understand why he is the way he is, and there's a lot of interesting pieces of interactions (like when you bring him to Fenris recruitment mission and he gets all protective once fenris starts his mages are evulz speech).
And he's on of the reasons I started writing fanfiction for this game, so there's that

[wulfsturm]

Lithuasil wrote...

He's certainly well written - I liked him personally, as much of a ****** as he is. I can understand why he is the way he is, and there's a lot of interesting pieces of interactions (like when you bring him to Fenris recruitment mission and he gets all protective once fenris starts his mages are evulz speech).
And he's on of the reasons I started writing fanfiction for this game, so there's that

I agree to a certain extent - Carver is definatley more interesting then Bethany.

[Icy Magebane]

Carver is cool... I miss him now that I've started playing as a warrior. It's so much fun that I doubt I will go back to mage anytime soon. Oh well. He's a very well-written character. I mean, yeah he's a tool, but he has good reasons. How is he supposed to react when his whole life is dictated by magic, and he isn't even a mage? I think it's understandable.

[Ziggeh]

Is him being a dick a bad thing? I mean, he's intentionally a rival, if you got along just fine it would have been a pretty poor rivalry.

[wulfsturm]

Ziggeh wrote...

Is him being a dick a bad thing? I mean, he's intentionally a rival, if you got along just fine it would have been a pretty poor rivalry.

Depends on who you are I supose. If he was my brother in real life, I would have clocked him one a long time ago.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 02 avril 2011 - 02:14 .

[Torax]

Personally I like both the Siblings. I just feel more cheated in how they're taken away basically at the end of act 1. Gone just as I started to like them.

[Beerfish]

They both have their qualities but in the end both character progressions were a bit wasted by them being tossed out of the game part way through. I'm still not sure why this was done or if the Biowriters expalined why. Both were building nicely along and then boom gonzo.

[Lithuasil]

wulfsturm wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

He's certainly well written - I liked him personally, as much of a ****** as he is. I can understand why he is the way he is, and there's a lot of interesting pieces of interactions (like when you bring him to Fenris recruitment mission and he gets all protective once fenris starts his mages are evulz speech).
And he's on of the reasons I started writing fanfiction for this game, so there's that

I agree to a certain extent - Carver is definatley more interesting then Bethany.

I wouldn't go as far as that. They're both interesting, just in different ways. The sibling dynamic is a lot more interesting with carver, but bethany's view on the world, and the circle in particular are a lot more fleshed out. The problem with both is that they aren't around for long, and it's pretty easy to miss large parts of what makes them interesting.

[wulfsturm]

Lithuasil wrote...

I wouldn't go as far as that. They're both interesting, just in different ways. The sibling dynamic is a lot more interesting with carver, but bethany's view on the world, and the circle in particular are a lot more fleshed out. The problem with both is that they aren't around for long, and it's pretty easy to miss large parts of what makes them interesting.

True, in retrospect I wish they had let us play with our siblings throughout the entire game, so as to get to know them better. It's not very central to the plot - but to how Hawke as a person is.

[Lithuasil]

wulfsturm wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

I wouldn't go as far as that. They're both interesting, just in different ways. The sibling dynamic is a lot more interesting with carver, but bethany's view on the world, and the circle in particular are a lot more fleshed out. The problem with both is that they aren't around for long, and it's pretty easy to miss large parts of what makes them interesting.

True, in retrospect I wish they had let us play with our siblings throughout the entire game, so as to get to know them better. It's not very central to the plot - but to how Hawke as a person is.

Taking the siblings from the party around that time makes perfect sense. They just shouldn't have dropped a bridge on them, and instead kept them as npcs on the sidelines, with regular letters/meetings and possible quest involvement.

[blacqout]

I was actually quite happy with the way that the sibling was taken away at the end of act 1. In my original playthrough as a Warrior, Bethany left for the Circle. The clues were all there that she was feeling out of place and all that, so as much of a shock as it was when she actually left, it didn't feel too surprising.

The most disappointing thing about it, was that she was in the Gallows and you couldn't even talk to her (until the end of Act 2). The opportunity to visit would have been cool.

With Carver, i was especially happy with how his departure went. The scene with Stroud in the Deep Roads was quite harrowing, and made becoming a Warden seem like a pretty grim fate, only slightly preferable to dying.

Modifié par blacqout, 02 avril 2011 - 02:30 .

[sonsonthebia07]

Even if there is more intrigue, having to deal with Carver at all is a pain in the ass. Bethany is way better.

[Torax]

They both have their interesting points. Just Carver is hard headed and blames the PC. Bethany is light hearted and looks up to the PC. Carver wants to pave his own way but doesn't see how he can do it. Blames the PC for holding him back by being better than he is. Bethany blames herself for all the trouble her magic has caused. She wishes she could be normal but it isn't so. She feels responsible for all the uprooting, danger and stress her existence caused to the family. Carver was just "Why am I normal and they all aren't?" So Carver to a point takes it out on them.

Modifié par Torax, 02 avril 2011 - 02:33 .

[Urazz]

I like both truth be told. Shame we couldn't have both in our party or keep them past Act 1.

[Foolsfolly]

Eh. First character was a mage and so I had him around the first time through. I didn't like him. I left him at home and he became a Templar which I took rather personally.

The end of the game had a moment when we could maybe possibly join sides. I refused and said something like "You always wanted to fight me so come on." And...the game never let us kill each other.

Ah well. It was a great dramatic moment though. Mage Hawke with the mages and Carver with the Templars. It was nicely written too. Possibly the best part of the whole finale now that I think back on it.

[Gabey5]

agreed, beth seems to be the sibling one wants and carver is the one we usually get

[Torax]

I think my main issue with Carver is just that between Fenris & Anders. I already have enough broody. I don't need more. So to a degree Bethany, Merrill, Varric and Isabela are required to have me tolerate the Broody Wars. Act 3 with Anders makes me want to slam his head against a wall.

[Dark-sider77]

I kinda wish we could have seen both Bethany and Carver interact as siblings more. It would have been interesting if we didn't lose one of them in the prologue. If some one had to die in the prologue then they could have let us meet Hawke's Dad and have him make a last stand so his family could escape.

[Foolsfolly]

If some one had to die in the prologue then they could have let us meet Hawke's Dad and have him make a last stand so his family could escape.

I like this idea. Then you would have had both siblings which would have divided Hawke in the Mage/Templar argument and you'd still have the BioWare redshirt death at the beginning. Plus, we'd have at least seen Daddy Hawke and he would have died so we're not overshadowed by him.

All win.

[Wompoo]

wulfsturm wrote...

I thought Carver was a dick, personally.

this^^
Had Carver been my brother in real life I would of grabbed him by the scruff of the neck, dragged around to back of the shed and beat the crap out of him, or super glued his backside to a tiolet seat where all ars****es deserve to be

[Deztyn]

Foolsfolly wrote...

If some one had to die in the prologue then they could have let us meet Hawke's Dad and have him make a last stand so his family could escape.

I like this idea. Then you would have had both siblings which would have divided Hawke in the Mage/Templar argument and you'd still have the BioWare redshirt death at the beginning. Plus, we'd have at least seen Daddy Hawke and he would have died so we're not overshadowed by him.

All win.

I also approve. And add that if we still lost a sibling at the end of Act I, determined by character class while keeping the other around as a party member it would have made things a lot more interesting. If Bethany or Carver died in the deep roads having your mother/surviving sibling blaming you would have been a real gut punch instead of just leaving some of us rolling our eyes.

What if  Bethany had been taken to the Circle while we took Carver on the expedition? Or if Carver decided to become a Templar to protect Bethany while both were left at home? There could be some really interesting family interactions there.

[Quill74Pen]

Deztyn wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

If some one had to die in the prologue then they could have let us meet Hawke's Dad and have him make a last stand so his family could escape.

I like this idea. Then you would have had both siblings which would have divided Hawke in the Mage/Templar argument and you'd still have the BioWare redshirt death at the beginning. Plus, we'd have at least seen Daddy Hawke and he would have died so we're not overshadowed by him.

All win.

I also approve. And add that if we still lost a sibling at the end of Act I, determined by character class while keeping the other around as a party member it would have made things a lot more interesting. If Bethany or Carver died in the deep roads having your mother/surviving sibling blaming you would have been a real gut punch instead of just leaving some of us rolling our eyes.

What if  Bethany had been taken to the Circle while we took Carver on the expedition? Or if Carver decided to become a Templar to protect Bethany while both were left at home? There could be some really interesting family interactions there.

I, too, agree with the sentiments expressed in the quoted material above. DA2 is a good game in its own right, but I really do think the writers at Bioware screwed up the family dynamic. *shrug* Perhaps there will be some DLC that enables more family interaction. Or perhaps the writers will take our comments into consideration when planning DA3.

Quill74Pen