Romudeth wrote...
No it's not a concensus. Dragon Age 2 has already sold over a million copies. That officially makes it NOT a failure.
Aurelet wrote...
Dragon Age II is an excellent story.
I just wish they hadn't charged me $60 to read it.
Zepplin_Rules wrote...
Romudeth wrote...
No it's not a concensus. Dragon Age 2 has already sold over a million copies. That officially makes it NOT a failure.
Hmmm ET for Atari sold 1.5 milllion
Imagine: Babyz sold 2.44 million
50 Cent: Bulletproof 1.59 million
South Park N64 1.14 millon
The Sims Franchise hold over 30 million sales
Pac-Man Atari 2600: 7 million
Just to name a few...
Modifié par Alpr, 06 avril 2011 - 08:41 .
mdugger12 wrote...
It's not a failure. It's kind of funny to see the haters still beating they're drums over this game. DA II is selling fine and lots of people love it. I challenge anyone that is willing to call this game a failure to back up their claims with something more tangible than "Because bioware turned its back on the real fans!" or "It sucks!"
Oh and not to call anybody out by name for making stupid comments but I don't care if the game was literally watching paint dry, over 30 million sales can't be called a failure no matter what your opinion is.
mdugger12 wrote...
It's not a failure. It's kind of funny to see the haters still beating they're drums over this game. DA II is selling fine and lots of people love it. I challenge anyone that is willing to call this game a failure to back up their claims with something more tangible than "Because bioware turned its back on the real fans!" or "It sucks!"
Oh and not to call anybody out by name for making stupid comments but I don't care if the game was literally watching paint dry, over 30 million sales can't be called a failure no matter what your opinion is.
KalDurenik wrote...
mdugger12 wrote...
It's not a failure. It's kind of funny to see the haters still beating they're drums over this game. DA II is selling fine and lots of people love it. I challenge anyone that is willing to call this game a failure to back up their claims with something more tangible than "Because bioware turned its back on the real fans!" or "It sucks!"
Oh and not to call anybody out by name for making stupid comments but I don't care if the game was literally watching paint dry, over 30 million sales can't be called a failure no matter what your opinion is.
30m sales?...?
Anyway its selling so badly they have to give away a game for free.
Modifié par mdugger12, 06 avril 2011 - 09:50 .
mdugger12 wrote...
It's not a failure. It's kind of funny to see the haters still beating they're drums over this game. DA II is selling fine and lots of people love it. I challenge anyone that is willing to call this game a failure to back up their claims with something more tangible than "Because bioware turned its back on the real fans!" or "It sucks!"
Oh and not to call anybody out by name for making stupid comments but I don't care if the game was literally watching paint dry, over 30 million sales can't be called a failure no matter what your opinion is.
BobSmith101 wrote...
mdugger12 wrote...
It's not a failure. It's kind of funny to see the haters still beating they're drums over this game. DA II is selling fine and lots of people love it. I challenge anyone that is willing to call this game a failure to back up their claims with something more tangible than "Because bioware turned its back on the real fans!" or "It sucks!"
Oh and not to call anybody out by name for making stupid comments but I don't care if the game was literally watching paint dry, over 30 million sales can't be called a failure no matter what your opinion is.
Oki doki. That's easy enough.
Bioware wanted DA2 to be a mass market game. Is DA2 a mass market game success? No. Therefore DA2 failed to meet it's objective and is a failure.
mdugger12 wrote...
That would be valid but it's not entirely accurate. Bioware made DA2 to be more appealing to a larger market. I don't think anyone ever expected DA 2 to sell more than COD or FIFA. But they did want to make the game more accessible to the a larger fanbase. It doesn't matter if that means "dumbing down" to you or even me, it seems to have been successful.
Alex Kershaw wrote...
mdugger12 wrote...
It's not a failure. It's kind of funny to see the haters still beating they're drums over this game. DA II is selling fine and lots of people love it. I challenge anyone that is willing to call this game a failure to back up their claims with something more tangible than "Because bioware turned its back on the real fans!" or "It sucks!"
Oh and not to call anybody out by name for making stupid comments but I don't care if the game was literally watching paint dry, over 30 million sales can't be called a failure no matter what your opinion is.
Challenge accepted.
Metacritic averages over 50 and sometimes over 100 professional critic reviews. It is what developers use to judge their game as a success or failure. Mike Laidlaw has said that the company strives for 90+ in every game they release - I can get that quote for you if you wish.
Dragon Age 2 received 82/100 on Metacritic, which is by far the lowest rated RPG that Bioware have ever made. In fact, their second lowest is Neverwinter Nights at 89/100. In the past 5 years, Bioware's 3 other release have gotten 96, 91 and 91. Dragon Age 2's 82/100 is not only a failure in terms of user response (from the 42/100 user rating, but this is arguably biased), not only a failure in terms of the company's own goals, as stated by Laidlaw himself, but is a failure in terms of the quality of the game, as judged by Metacritic.
mdugger12 wrote...
Alex Kershaw wrote...
mdugger12 wrote...
It's not a failure. It's kind of funny to see the haters still beating they're drums over this game. DA II is selling fine and lots of people love it. I challenge anyone that is willing to call this game a failure to back up their claims with something more tangible than "Because bioware turned its back on the real fans!" or "It sucks!"
Oh and not to call anybody out by name for making stupid comments but I don't care if the game was literally watching paint dry, over 30 million sales can't be called a failure no matter what your opinion is.
Challenge accepted.
Metacritic averages over 50 and sometimes over 100 professional critic reviews. It is what developers use to judge their game as a success or failure. Mike Laidlaw has said that the company strives for 90+ in every game they release - I can get that quote for you if you wish.
Dragon Age 2 received 82/100 on Metacritic, which is by far the lowest rated RPG that Bioware have ever made. In fact, their second lowest is Neverwinter Nights at 89/100. In the past 5 years, Bioware's 3 other release have gotten 96, 91 and 91. Dragon Age 2's 82/100 is not only a failure in terms of user response (from the 42/100 user rating, but this is arguably biased), not only a failure in terms of the company's own goals, as stated by Laidlaw himself, but is a failure in terms of the quality of the game, as judged by Metacritic.
I don't need a link. Honestly, I don't need Metacritic to agree that by Bioware standards this game is a bit of a drop compared to recent releases. I think we all rightfully expected more polish when DA II came out and there are gameplay elements that fans are split over.
For this discussion I have no problem accepting the Metacritic score as a measuring stick. Even doing so I feel we can both agree that a score of 82/100 wouldn't mean a game was bad and certainly not a failure. And I think any developer should strive for near perfection. So did a developer "fail" if they fall short of lofty goals just because the developer was remarkable enough to achieve that goal in the past?
BobSmith101 wrote...
mdugger12 wrote...
That would be valid but it's not entirely accurate. Bioware made DA2 to be more appealing to a larger market. I don't think anyone ever expected DA 2 to sell more than COD or FIFA. But they did want to make the game more accessible to the a larger fanbase. It doesn't matter if that means "dumbing down" to you or even me, it seems to have been successful.
Unless the goal was to make a game that failed to be mass market while at the same time alienating a lot of people who liked the previous game, then DA2 is a failure.
How is it successful ? Around half of that total were pre-orders from people who liked DA.
Modifié par Xewaka, 06 avril 2011 - 10:39 .
ThePrince_of insufficient light wrote...
Let them say what they want to......i believe DA;2 is a great game although bioware lacked some sense with it. To say "Dragon Age 2 is a failure" is wrong man... there alot of facts u are keeping aside. I think u guyz are taking it too cynically.
mdugger12 wrote...
You're right, DA II sales figures include tons of pre-orders. Basically all the good faith fans had because of DA:O. And a lot of those same fans were alienated by the direction Bioware took the franchise. But the game is still chugging along and people are still buying it. So after the first week what percentage of hardcore DA fans do you think are included in the total number sales? Now realistically we can't call the game a success or failure from sales alone for another 6-8 weeks at it's current pace. There hasn't been any spike or drop off beyond what you would expect at this point. But I think we can assume, especially considering the backlash from the vocal alienated fans, that for it to even be selling at it's current pace they would have had to be successful in getting some casual fans to buy.
Modifié par BobSmith101, 06 avril 2011 - 10:45 .
BobSmith101 wrote...
mdugger12 wrote...
Alex Kershaw wrote...
mdugger12 wrote...
It's not a failure. It's kind of funny to see the haters still beating they're drums over this game. DA II is selling fine and lots of people love it. I challenge anyone that is willing to call this game a failure to back up their claims with something more tangible than "Because bioware turned its back on the real fans!" or "It sucks!"
Oh and not to call anybody out by name for making stupid comments but I don't care if the game was literally watching paint dry, over 30 million sales can't be called a failure no matter what your opinion is.
Challenge accepted.
Metacritic averages over 50 and sometimes over 100 professional critic reviews. It is what developers use to judge their game as a success or failure. Mike Laidlaw has said that the company strives for 90+ in every game they release - I can get that quote for you if you wish.
Dragon Age 2 received 82/100 on Metacritic, which is by far the lowest rated RPG that Bioware have ever made. In fact, their second lowest is Neverwinter Nights at 89/100. In the past 5 years, Bioware's 3 other release have gotten 96, 91 and 91. Dragon Age 2's 82/100 is not only a failure in terms of user response (from the 42/100 user rating, but this is arguably biased), not only a failure in terms of the company's own goals, as stated by Laidlaw himself, but is a failure in terms of the quality of the game, as judged by Metacritic.
I don't need a link. Honestly, I don't need Metacritic to agree that by Bioware standards this game is a bit of a drop compared to recent releases. I think we all rightfully expected more polish when DA II came out and there are gameplay elements that fans are split over.
For this discussion I have no problem accepting the Metacritic score as a measuring stick. Even doing so I feel we can both agree that a score of 82/100 wouldn't mean a game was bad and certainly not a failure. And I think any developer should strive for near perfection. So did a developer "fail" if they fall short of lofty goals just because the developer was remarkable enough to achieve that goal in the past?
You have now had two different examples of how DA2 failed to meet the goals that Bioware set. If you don't meet a goal you fail right ?
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