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[SIx_Foot_Imp]

This game wasnt a failiure it was just an experiment with mixed results. they tried to cross bread the combat of action games and the story tellling of shouters with an rpg, like crossbreading a an zebra a lion and a turtule. They ended up with an unnatural abomination that has no place in nature and cries out daily to be out out of its misery, But think of how cool it looks , how fun it would be to see it try to survive in the wild and how much they have learned about genetics.

[LordNige]

 DA2 in my opinion was a good game but its flaws shone through. I'm happily about to finish my second playthrough but I'm struggling to urge myself on for a third playthrough. With Origins I completed at least 3 playthroughs and got to the 50% mark with most others and I think the distinct Origin stories were a huge part of that.  

I think Bioware need to support this game with some comprehensive DLC that expands the scope of the game and maybe adds an epilogue to the main plot like Awakening and Witch Hunt did with Origins because most quests are fairly superficial. What bioware shouldn't do is create DLC like Darkspawn chronicles and Lelianas song, it would make a fairly unfocussed game even worse. 

[abaris]

LordNige wrote...

 DA2 in my opinion was a good game but its flaws shone through. I'm happily about to finish my second playthrough but I'm struggling to urge myself on for a third playthrough. With Origins I completed at least 3 playthroughs and got to the 50% mark with most others and I think the distinct Origin stories were a huge part of that.  

 

Personally I think, that DAII seems to be an average game. Most users across different platforms rate it between 50% and 70%. This seems to be the consensus with a pretty funny and possibly advert driven 80 to 90 rampage of the gaming magazines and hate driven user ratings of 0.

Stands to reason if an average game really is worth 60 bucks.

[LenaMarie]

PC Elitists will say its the worst game ever, but in reality its a good game and sales (across all platforms) Reflect that, Alot of people just have a hard time with change, every game is moving in the streamline direction. Thats not to say DA 2 doesnt have flaws, it recycles too much and there is not enough variation in the environment, but Combat, Writing and Characters are still bioware gold standard.

Modifié par LenaMarie, 03 avril 2011 - 06:31 .

[StingingVelvet]

At a 79 on metacritic I would say, compared to Bioware standards, it was a critical failure.

Sales... we don't know.

[dragon-boy]

there are good things about dragon age 2 but compared to origins it is lacking in different ways but they have improved on things from origins. the only hope for bioware no so that this game isn't a big failure is to bring out some amazin dlc that will include alot more items and places to explore.

[Davasar]

LenaMarie wrote...

PC Elitists will say its the worst game ever, but in reality its a good game and sales (across all platforms) Reflect that, Alot of people just have a hard time with change, every game is moving in the streamline direction. Thats not to say DA 2 doesnt have flaws, it recycles too much and there is not enough variation in the environment, but Combat, Writing and Characters are still bioware gold standard.

I think these are my favorite kinds of quotes.

Just because I prefer to play a game on a PC doesnt make me elitist.  It means I play on a PC.

Just because I demand very high quality games for my hard earned money does not make me elitist.  It means I want quality.

If I dislike "streamlining" it is because I know it is just a catch phrase for lazy, rushed and under par game design which does not mean I am adverse to change.  It means some things being changed are devolutions from an already upper strata standard that did not need changing.

Instead, if you truly want to evolve and use the word correctly, you take that which is successful, and make it better.  You do not get rid of that which is good in favor of something that is far inferior.

Changing these things means stepping back, disgressing and failing to meet high standards.

In short, the above catch phrases are a lame attempt at redefining terms for which we already have words:  lazy, rushed, devolution, under par....you get the picture.

Politician use the same changing terms tactic in order to get the public to buy into their lies, and that's what happened here, plain and simple.

Modifié par Davasar, 04 avril 2011 - 04:11 .

[Zjarcal]

rak72 wrote...

DaO kept me entertained for a year, DA2 - 1.5 weeks.  I feel gypped.

That is a matter of choice. How many times you choose to replay the same game is completely up to you. Many people only played Origins one time. Where they gypped too?

[F-C]

i only play most games one time... with very few exceptions.

DAO and DA2 i both played once and enjoyed them both about equally for what they were.

so to me, if you say DA2 is a failure, then so was DAO.

[fishx255]

LenaMarie wrote...

PC Elitists will say its the worst game ever, but in reality its a good game and sales (across all platforms) Reflect that, Alot of people just have a hard time with change, every game is moving in the streamline direction. Thats not to say DA 2 doesnt have flaws, it recycles too much and there is not enough variation in the environment, but Combat, Writing and Characters are still bioware gold standard.

Selling worse then origins after 3 weeks is a reflection of good sales? They are still going to make profits, but why defend a rushed game? Clearly making the best game they could was not the game plan or else they would have had more development time. Which would have eliminated the flaws that you bring up.

[Otterwarden]

There are 573 voting for re-designing the game and 571 voting for abolishing it... 39 as yet uncommitted.

[rak72]

Zjarcal wrote...

rak72 wrote...

DaO kept me entertained for a year, DA2 - 1.5 weeks.  I feel gypped.

That is a matter of choice. How many times you choose to replay the same game is completely up to you. Many people only played Origins one time. Where they gypped too?

It's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of how fun and compelling I found the game.  I only found DA2 fun and compelling enough for 1.5 weeks of play. I said I felt gypped, not that everyone else should feel gypped because the game was only able to hold some of my interest for 1.5 weeks.  Of course, not everyone will share my opinion, but I would like to make my opinion heard.  If all the people who didn't like the game kept silent, then more of the same games will be turned out.  I hope that by voicing our opinions, they will havean understaning of what their fans would like to see in a game.

[Edli]

LenaMarie wrote...

PC Elitists will say its the worst game ever, but in reality its a good game and sales (across all platforms) Reflect that, Alot of people just have a hard time with change, every game is moving in the streamline direction.

Oh no, that's what Bioware thinks. Blizzard, Creative Assembly and many others do not think so. Funny how Shogun 2 is owning DA2.

[mcha82]

I just wish Bioware would stop making Dragon Age into an experiment and give it it's own identity.

Modifié par mcha82, 03 avril 2011 - 11:39 .

[Melca36]

LenaMarie wrote...

PC Elitists will say its the worst game ever, but in reality its a good game and sales (across all platforms) Reflect that, Alot of people just have a hard time with change, every game is moving in the streamline direction. Thats not to say DA 2 doesnt have flaws, it recycles too much and there is not enough variation in the environment, but Combat, Writing and Characters are still bioware gold standard.

Excuse me,

Just because I enjoy PC Gaming does not make me an elitist.  I have a console too but I dont play rpg's on it.

I just resent how some PC Gamers now have their games dumbed down to appeal to the mainstream console users.

[Annora]

It had its weak points and it was clearly rushed, but it was still enjoyable. Had it been in development for another 6 months, I think it would have been an amazing game. Hopefully this has taught them to not rush things anymore.

[LenaMarie]

You know there is a difference between PC Gamer and PC Elitist Right? For people who dont know the distinction, PC Elitists complain about "consolization" of games all the time, 'dumbing down', and generally are Hardcore gamers who love their Friendly Fire and thinks all games should be complex as the 'good old days".

Im a PC Gamer, as many others, who can enjoy games for what they are instead of lamenting with every PC game release how the industry is going downhill and catering to the stupid console kids.

So for anyone who doesn't fall in the Elitist Category, and are just PC Gamers, I do apologize for any percieved offense, but Elitists deserve to be offended. The game has problems, its obvious but its just not as bad as PC Elitists whine to everyone who will listen.

Modifié par LenaMarie, 04 avril 2011 - 03:14 .

[neppakyo]

LenaMarie wrote...

You know there is a difference between PC Gamer and PC Elitist Right? For people who dont know the distinction, PC Elitists complain about "consolization" of games all the time, 'dumbing down', and generally are Hardcore gamers who love their Friendly Fire and thinks all games should be complex as the 'good old days".

Im a PC Gamer, as many others, who can enjoy games for what they are instead of lamenting with every PC game release how the industry is going downhill and catering to the stupid console kids.

So for anyone who doesn't fall in the Elitist Category, and are just PC Gamers, I do apologize for any percieved offense, but Elitists deserve to be offended. The game has problems, its obvious but its just not as bad as PC Elitists whine to everyone who will listen.

I'm only PC Elitist when it comes to RPG's.

I found mindless fun playing Force Unleased II on the PC with my good ol' logitech gamepad. Mindless slash and kill, with a thin vinear of a plot.

I loved Bioshock 1, played on the pc. Good fun and the story wasn't too shabby.

[StingingVelvet]

LenaMarie wrote...

You know there is a difference between PC Gamer and PC Elitist Right? For people who dont know the distinction, PC Elitists complain about "consolization" of games all the time, 'dumbing down', and generally are Hardcore gamers who love their Friendly Fire and thinks all games should be complex as the 'good old days".

It makes me an elitist to prefer the deeper and more complex games of the past more than the streamlined easy-button games of today?  Why?  That's a preferance, not a feeling of superiority.

[LenaMarie]

StingingVelvet wrote...

LenaMarie wrote...

You know there is a difference between PC Gamer and PC Elitist Right? For people who dont know the distinction, PC Elitists complain about "consolization" of games all the time, 'dumbing down', and generally are Hardcore gamers who love their Friendly Fire and thinks all games should be complex as the 'good old days".

It makes me an elitist to prefer the deeper and more complex games of the past more than the streamlined easy-button games of today?  Why?  That's a preferance, not a feeling of superiority.

To alot of people it comes off as superiority, of course I cant speak for anyones intentions, but PC Elitiists do have their bad name for coming off as thinking they are superior and games should be catered to them and only them in lieu of the "Mass Market".
 

Modifié par LenaMarie, 04 avril 2011 - 01:11 .

[randName]

For me its a failure, as for many others - but I wouldn't claim that this is the consensus view; even if we seem to be generally leaning towards that its a failure, but there are enough people that claim that DA2 is just as good, or even better than DA:O.

So I doubt that we could claim it to be a general agreement that DA2 failed.

[Purple People Eater]

cosgamer wrote...

Yes, it's a failure, and really, the results AREN'T mixed. DA 2 is in most bargain bins where it belongs. The proof is in the pudding...

Dragon Age: Origins

XBOX 360
Week 1 - 335,941
Week 2 - 173,230
Week 3 - 96,340
Week 4 - 134,460
Week 5 - 107,755

PS3
Week 1 - 155,660
Week 2 - 72,304
Week 3 - 80,920
Week 4 - 77,414
Week 5 - 59,219

Dragon Age 2

XBOX 360
Week 1 - 392,508
Week 2 - 128,897
Week 3 - 61,735

PS3
Week 1 - 163,410
Week 2 - 61,210
Week 3 - 35,455

PC
Week 1 - 148.830
Week 2 - 38.002
Week 3 - 26.165

Um, I dont know what you're trying to prove here. The game has sold a good number of copies across all platforms in the first 3 weeks, and at this point cannot be deemed a failure by any means. The only thing these sales figures tell me is that not alot of people care about the game on PC or PS3, but thats to be expected. I mean, the game sold more copies in its third week on 360, than it did in its second weelk on PS3. Of course, third party games suck on the PS3, so its to be expected.

[abaris]

LenaMarie wrote...

To alot of people it comes off as superiority, of course I cant speak for anyones intentions, but PC Elitiists do have their bad name for coming off as thinking they are superior and games should be catered to them and only them in lieu of the "Mass Market".
 

Superior for demanding quality? You know, most games - even the elitist ones - don't force feed you into using their full potential. But if you like complexity and its left out for the sake of speedy development, cutting costs and catering to the lowest possible denominator, you're basically screwed.

And simply saying, these people were adverse to change, doesn't cut it either. Change for the sake of change? Change for the sake of cheapness? Selling less at increased rates? That's what it comes to after all.

[Torhagen]

For my part i am happy that its not the same trench warfare like ME2