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[konokonohamaru]

CloudOfShadows wrote...
Skyrim is pure hack & slash fantasy.

As opposed to.... Dragon Age 2?  At least in Morrowind and Oblivion there were actually things to do outside of hacking and slashing (and casting as a substitute to hacking and slashing).

[camcon2100]

If you look on forums than every game is a failure. That being said DA2 has some big problems but all and all it is a very solid game

[Finnigan McBonk]

Capt. Kirrahe wrote...

I think a good number of people I have spoken to on and off the forums agree that it was rushed, has a number of flaws and generally falls short of the very high bar Origins set. That said, many many many people - including myself - enjoyed the game.

Origins it ain't, but it is a good experience nonetheless. In terms of general sales it is doing pretty well, so I'd hardly call it a flop.

Agree 100%. I'm enjoying the game quite a bit. Hope the next one is closer to a full-blown cRPG.

[Archyyy]

Failure in profits? Most likely no. Unfortunately because thats exactly what it (and bioware and ea) would deserve.

Failure as a game? Yes.

Failure as a sequel? Even more so.

[The Metalion]

Caralampio wrote...

It isn't a failure. In fact it's a quite playable game. The problem is, it's "just another game". A "meh" game. It just doesn't live up to expectations of a sequel for the epic DAO. Play it once or twice and off of the computer and onto the shelf, in very good company.

I agree.  Good game, but didn't live up to the hype.

[Sanguinerin]

My review of Dragon Age II is far more negative than positive, but I still wouldn't consider it a failure.

I can't fault the developers for their desire to take risks. All of the changes conceivably could have far outweighed what made Origins and other BioWare titles great. There was always that possibility. To me, it seems like that wasn't the overall reaction, but it still doesn't mean Dragon Age II was a failure. There have been many people who have enjoyed it. I thought it was a decent game and had one good play-through. Does it have the same re-playability as Origins? Not for me.

This game was certainly far enough from my previous standards that I held for BioWare, and as such it will cause me to hesitate on my next purchase from them. I got caught up in the hype and wanted to get all of the extra little bonus items. In the next installment, I only hope that they don't offer so many extra accessories and weapons. Admittedly, I have a fear now about the offer of excessive bonus content.

Overall though, it wasn't terrible. It was a step backward, in my opinion, but not a failure. Honestly, I'm more upset that unemployment gives me so little extra cash and I was hoping to be playing Dragon Age II for a while much as I did with Origins. I saved up here and there to treat myself with the game and now it's sitting on my desk after being completed once. That is, of course, my own personal problem.

[Shirosaki17]

sympathy4saren wrote...

I've heard (and understand) a lot of the negative feedback. Is it generally acknowledged that this game was a flop. Or what's the deal? And will DA2 stand a chance against Skyrim in a one-on-one comparison when its all said and done?

Yes the game has flopped. No DA2 will not stand a chance against Skyrim.

So I have said, so shall it be.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 05 avril 2011 - 08:30 .

[Everwarden]

Scarletyoshi wrote...

Among people who think that? Sure.

Among the general populace? No.

Most people find Dragon Age 2 to be at -least- disappointing, if not downright bad. I'm not talking about haters here, just your average gamer. Almost anyone who played both Origins and DA2 will view DA2 as the inferior game. 

[abaris]

Everwarden wrote...

Most people find Dragon Age 2 to be at -least- disappointing, if not downright bad. I'm not talking about haters here, just your average gamer. Almost anyone who played both Origins and DA2 will view DA2 as the inferior game. 

If you ask me personally, then yes, I think its a failure. To fast paced, too flashy, and that's only scratching the surface.

But I don't think, you can say, those, who have played Origins won't like it. There are people, who are into fast paced and flashy and obviously didn't care for Origins slower paced approach.

[vaultb0y]

I've always this perception that Bioware is uber and that we somehow deserve better games a bit laughable. They may be brilliant, but gamers have been pretty crap at supporting them with sales. BG2 + expansions cracked what, 5 million sales? Each Fable has sold in excess of 3 million, minus DLC. BlackIsle is dead. Did we learn nothing there?

Dont let the best be the enemy of the good. Although I know we want the best, gamers sometimes have to realise that Gaming is a business first, and an art second.

Hypothetical question: If Bioware said before release: "If we dont sell 4 million copies of DA2 on 20% of DAO's budget, EA will kill us off. The game is not as good as DOA, but please go out and buy it, so that we can continue making games for you", how would you respond?

[T764]

Worse than some games, better than others. I disliked parts of DA:O i dislike parts of DA2, on this subject the only person who's opinion matters to me is me. Do we really another thread/discussion on this topic?

[SphereofSilence]

Yeah, it's a failure IMO. Mike Laidlaw even said that if the game isn't getting an average score of 9/10 or above, then the team will seriously reevaluate what they're doing.

The game's still has its good points and I had fun with it. The question is 'In what aspect did the game fail to deliver and why?' That'd give some solid feedback for the designers to work on, in order to create a DA3 that is better than DA2, or maybe even DAO. One big thing I see is that DA2 suffered for having such a short dev time, it's be good to take longer to complete it.

[MistySun]

Let's face it...DA2 was NOT  what most expected. The constant wave after wave of enemies was annoying...not an improvement of combat. It was unnecessary. it didn't add anything to the game.
The copy and paste locations was another bad thing. It got stale. The game  was full of flaws...some quests wes broken...etc.
I doubt if anyone playtested it before release. A rush job. Too obvious. Too bad for us.
Now i see it as... DA3 Bioware...you are given a second chance. Fail that and that is it. All over.
 

Modifié par MistySun, 05 avril 2011 - 01:12 .

[Vast_Girth]

If it was a binary choice between success and failure, i would have to go with failure.But of course it doesn't work like that in real life.

I think the general consensus would not be one of failure anyway, but one of disappointment. A lot of the problems are subjective, but a few like the reused maps are universally derided.

[dheer]

vaultb0y wrote...
Hypothetical question: If Bioware said before release: "If we dont sell 4 million copies of DA2 on 20% of DAO's budget, EA will kill us off. The game is not as good as DOA, but please go out and buy it, so that we can continue making games for you", how would you respond?

Faced with that ultimatum, I'd buy it to support Bioware with the hope that they can recapture magic of their recent past.

I'm a fan of Bioware. I want to support and repay them for the joy they've given me in the past. All I can do is hope DA2 was a hiccup and not a symptom of a greater problem.

[Marionetten]

vaultb0y wrote...

Hypothetical question: If Bioware said before release: "If we dont sell 4 million copies of DA2 on 20% of DAO's budget, EA will kill us off. The game is not as good as DOA, but please go out and buy it, so that we can continue making games for you", how would you respond?

• Fanbase: Did you ever think about killing yourself?
• BioWare: I could ask you the same thing.
• Fanbase: I'm serious. To get out of slavery, to escape EA... don't tell me you never thought about it.
• BioWare: I did not. To kill oneself is a sin in the eyes of capitalism.
• Fanbase: You... believe that?
• BioWare: I try to. Some things must be worse than slavery.
• Fanbase: Some things are worse than death.

Modifié par Marionetten, 05 avril 2011 - 03:33 .

[AkiKishi]

dheer wrote...

vaultb0y wrote...
Hypothetical question: If Bioware said before release: "If we dont sell 4 million copies of DA2 on 20% of DAO's budget, EA will kill us off. The game is not as good as DOA, but please go out and buy it, so that we can continue making games for you", how would you respond?

Faced with that ultimatum, I'd buy it to support Bioware with the hope that they can recapture magic of their recent past.

I'm a fan of Bioware. I want to support and repay them for the joy they've given me in the past. All I can do is hope DA2 was a hiccup and not a symptom of a greater problem.

Not an easy question....

If it's a hiccup then no real harm done. If on the other hand it's a trend then no I would not support something substandard just to keep something "alive".

I believe in quality of life.

[Jamesnew2]

not a failure. A start. The Rpg genre of old is gone.... people dislike change but its going to have to happen.... sooner or later.

[KalDurenik]

Jamesnew2 wrote...

not a failure. A start. The Rpg genre of old is gone.... people dislike change but its going to have to happen.... sooner or later.

RPG? DA2 is more of a adventure game with some rpg elements then a RPG.

Luckily Bioware is not the only dev that make rpgs \\o/.

[dfstone]

It wasn't a failure. Its a good game by itself. When you compare it to DA:O, it seems to be missing a lot of content. But if you take it alone, its a fine game. People are overreacting.

[abaris]

dfstone wrote...

It wasn't a failure. Its a good game by itself. When you compare it to DA:O, it seems to be missing a lot of content. But if you take it alone, its a fine game. People are overreacting.

So tell me. Even if you don't compare: Is it worth the same 60 you paid for DAO - even if its missing a lot of content.

Jamesnew2 wrote...

not a failure. A start. The Rpg genre
of old is gone.... people dislike change but its going to have to
happen.... sooner or later.

Change, adapt - beautiful and meaningless words. If you're OK with what is presented, more power to you. But people don't have to adapt. People only have to accept what they like, especially when it comes to entertainment. This isn't supposed to be a chore or a lesson being taught, but fun.

Modifié par abaris, 05 avril 2011 - 04:20 .

[dfstone]

abaris wrote...

dfstone wrote...

It wasn't a failure. Its a good game by itself. When you compare it to DA:O, it seems to be missing a lot of content. But if you take it alone, its a fine game. People are overreacting.

So tell me. Even if you don't compare: Is it worth the same 60 you paid for DAO - even if its missing a lot of content.

No because it takes just as long to get thru it as the original.  The original went to more different places.  DA2 just focuses on 1 city in greater detail.  The game is just as full its just not as diverse.

[CloudOfShadows]

Everwarden wrote...

Scarletyoshi wrote...

Among people who think that? Sure.

Among the general populace? No.

Most people find Dragon Age 2 to be at -least- disappointing, if not downright bad. I'm not talking about haters here, just your average gamer. Almost anyone who played both Origins and DA2 will view DA2 as the inferior game. 

Amazing how you get your facts. I would call Origins the inferior game - but I suppose it does have the story with more mass appeal. So I guess you could be right.

[orbit991]

dfstone wrote...

abaris wrote...

dfstone wrote...

It wasn't a failure. Its a good game by itself. When you compare it to DA:O, it seems to be missing a lot of content. But if you take it alone, its a fine game. People are overreacting.

So tell me. Even if you don't compare: Is it worth the same 60 you paid for DAO - even if its missing a lot of content.

No because it takes just as long to get thru it as the original.  The original went to more different places.  DA2 just focuses on 1 city in greater detail.  The game is just as full its just not as diverse.

Heh what? So what your saying it's the same length if you skip the content in the first one?

[Slayer299]

For me the game was a mess filled with a morass of problems like broken quests and char's among everything else and sadly enough it had a strong potential to be a great game. As far as being a sequel goes it was a failure, as a standalone game it was 'meh' at best.