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[88mphSlayer]

Baelyn wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...
Well of course! Who wouldn't? They even said in the same interview they were hoping for upwards of a million.

Yeah, I know, which is why I amended my post to say "millions" because, while I don't think they're all "We're gonna get WOW ya'll!" in EA-land, I do get the impression that they want to be in a very firm second-place in the MMO world.  But that sort of thing is generally just asking for it and seen as grandiose, so they've wisely not gone there.

I agree. WoW fans have seen too many supposed "WoW killers." Any other game that comes out is very likely to be written off by them immediately if it makes any such claims.

But I was very suprised at Rift's approach, with their bold "We're not in Azeroth anymore" marketing scheme, and so far they have done very well. And again, most of that was due to a very polished game at launch, and a very high involvement of the developers to provide support.

Rift works because it basically takes WoW and fixes/improves things that would require a complete restart of WoW to do, thereby directly appealing to the WoW fanbase of people who want more WoW but not WoW itself...

TOR will succeed or die on the brand name of Star Wars and Knights of the Old Republic, and whether the gameplay is any good

[OdanUrr]

So MMORPG is not on the cards for Dragon Age? That still leaves going for the ME effect or a return to DAO. Maybe a hybrid?

[glacier1701]

While WoW may be the 600 pound gorilla in terms of subscribers it is NOT that in a science fiction universe. The gorilla there is EvE and to a large extent that is what TOR is going up against (as well as Star Trek Online). While EvE is at this very moment still spaceships in space the roll out of full bodied avatars is set for later this year with the first step toward that being made late last year. For those of you that do not play EvE you might want to take a look at this video which will put EvE, finally, into the same total environment as TOR is supposed to be. In other words there are no guarantees even with a licence for Star Wars that TOR will be able to draw and hold the subscribers it needs. After all the established games will be what they have to measure up to and not all the established games are sitting still waiting to be caught up they are actively moving ahead. 

 However TOR should not be written off until it goes beta at least and we can see what it brings to the table.

[byzantine horse]

glacier1701 wrote...
However TOR should not be written off until it goes beta at least and we can see what it brings to the table.

True, but add that it shouldn't be written off until launch, either. As long as the game's fundamentals are not outright broken from the start lots of stuff can easily get caught and fixed during beta. And SW:ToR looks really polished already from what I've seen, they have a good foundation it seems.

[AkiKishi]

TOR just seems to ignore all those neat little psychological tricks that the makers of EQ and then WOW pulled.

Not really sure of the overall popularity of SW at the moment either. LA washing their hands of the thing sets off alarm bells.

[Canadish]

BobSmith101 wrote...

TOR just seems to ignore all those neat little psychological tricks that the makers of EQ and then WOW pulled.

Not really sure of the overall popularity of SW at the moment either. LA washing their hands of the thing sets off alarm bells.

I do wonder how its gonna fair. I'm sure it looked much more profitable during the Revenge of the Sith hype. 5 years later, and Star Wars is considered a bit of joke now. I think they may have poured just a little to much into just 1 project.

But yes, OP; 
I dont think its going the way of the MMO. I suspect we were going to follow the story of Hawke...though, considering the negative constrovery around this game, I now think it will be a new protagonist. We'll just have to see.
All I know is, the office meetings in the Bioware offices must be VERY interesting right now.