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[Nightwriter]

Mr0TYuH wrote...

It was a storytelling device. BioWare completely reworked the classes and levelling system. They needed a way to reset your character, so they killed you. They wanted you to work for Cerberus, so they rebuilt you. They wanted to divorce you from the Council, the Alliance and your squad; they wanted the galactic community to stick their heads in the sand and the Reapers to be at the gates, so they had to years pass. Personnally, I hate resurrection in any genre other than fantasy. I feel it is a cop out and poor writing. BioWare didn't just have you suffocate, which would be fairly easy to fix. They had you enter a planets atmosphere and impact the ground, reducing you to a charred piece of meat. They forced you to work for Cerberus even though some characters would have probably openned fire the second they heard the name. It's one of the story choices the writers made to get you where they wanted you. I personally hated it, but there's nothing we can do to change it. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how it happened. It happened so BioWare could tell the story they wanted to tell with the mechanics they wanted to use. I think they could have found a more satisfying way to do it, but what's done is done.

What a great post. Alas, it and all related discussions shall be lost in this thread's rendition of The Real World.

For whatever it's worth, I agree. In many ways, ME2 felt rushed and clumsy. Perhaps due to insufficient dev time? I know not.

[Pwener2313]

Night..... you do know what happened in this thread..... right?

[Mr0TYuH]

Nightwriter wrote...

Mr0TYuH wrote...

It was a storytelling device. BioWare completely reworked the classes and levelling system. They needed a way to reset your character, so they killed you. They wanted you to work for Cerberus, so they rebuilt you. They wanted to divorce you from the Council, the Alliance and your squad; they wanted the galactic community to stick their heads in the sand and the Reapers to be at the gates, so they had two years pass. Personnally, I hate resurrection in any genre other than fantasy. I feel it is a cop out and poor writing. BioWare didn't just have you suffocate, which would be fairly easy to fix. They had you enter a planets atmosphere and impact the ground, reducing you to a charred piece of meat. They forced you to work for Cerberus even though some characters would have probably openned fire the second they heard the name. It's one of the story choices the writers made to get you where they wanted you. I personally hated it, but there's nothing we can do to change it. Ultimately, it doesn't matter how it happened. It happened so BioWare could tell the story they wanted to tell with the mechanics they wanted to use. I think they could have found a more satisfying way to do it, but what's done is done.

What a great post. Alas, it and all related discussions shall be lost in this thread's rendition of The Real World.

For whatever it's worth, I agree. In many ways, ME2 felt rushed and clumsy. Perhaps due to insufficient dev time? I know not.

Yeah, I'm a very slow typer.  When I started writing that, there were only a few posts and it seemed like a legitimate thread.  By the time I submitted it, I was on page 3 and realized it was a troll thread.  Oh well.  I need to learn to type faster.

[Nightwriter]

Night..... you do know what happened in this thread..... right?

Sure.

This fella started a faux thread, supposedly for the purposes of trolling you as revenge for some past grievance. Or perhaps he did intend for it to be semi serious, then switched tactics once you popped in, deciding that trolling you was far more worth his time than the discussion topic.

I'm hungry. I think I'll have a sub. With banana peppers. Yes, that sounds good. Banana peppers... strange name to give a pepper...

Modifié par Nightwriter, 02 avril 2011 - 08:58 .

[Pwener2313]

It was Greybox Inception. Spread the word.

[Nightwriter]

Yes. Greybox Inception. Right. I, like, totally know who that is. He's that guy. Who did the thing. From before. That I didn't hear about. But I will totally spread the word about that guy. "He's that guy who was that guy!" I'll say. "He trolled P as another guy, but he was still that guy!" You watch. No one will be a better guy spotter than I.

Now I must flee before I'm temp-banned for contributing to a troll thread. Can't let that happen again, I hate being reproached by authority. I don't do contrition well. It's so Catholic.

[Fiery Phoenix]

It's called sensationalism, and it's bad.

[DingoEffect]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

DingoEffect wrote...

Okay its obviously clear Bioware has to do something about this. And I know what all of you guys are thinking. A DLC that is a prequel to ME2! It will be the game of Operation... but Commander Shepard Style! Cerberus Operation: Commander Shepard!

Not gonna lie Dingo. That would be retardedly fun.

It's done....
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/128/index/6898233#6898233

[Frybread76]

Shepard - Commander wrote...

Why didn't they explain the Lazarus? Shepard gets up after a few cuts and operations and its all dandy? why? Their just going to this? they could have released a comic or a show or something explaining it! I think bioware ran out of ideas and just scraped up. we killed him?!! lets just hire some terrorists and get back on track.

they completaly ignored it too. I spent the first half hour tryng to get some friggin aswears from Miranda and all she did was act like a ****, my Shepard said it to her face and everything. you spent 2 years saving me and now you act like a complete ass? don't you have enough of that already!???!?

has anyone seen that bioware will adress this in mass effect 2 in dlc or in me3? it's getting kind of stupid that no one bothered to get this cleared up yet everybody goes along with it.

They just needed a reason why Shepard would start ME2 at level 1 after being level 50-60 in ME1.

[kidbd15]

Meh. BioWare did do it wrong, but meh.

Shepard should have been in his own escape pod which got damaged as it was ejecting, causing him to crash land on a planet, injured, but alive and in a coma or something. Cerberus found him, treated him, gave him Reaper tech implants, and coma inducing drugs until they were sure he was ready.

All would have been the same in the end and much less complained about.

Modifié par kidbd15, 02 avril 2011 - 11:51 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

Nyoka wrote...

Are you expecting Bioware to explain how to bring dead people back to life? Might as well ask them for a cure for cancer...

They did scientific stuff with little robotic forceps and implants and syringes. Science from the future! I don't think anyone can say something more specific than that.

No, we just want to know how they recovered his brain. If BioWare went ahead and said his helmet has an emergency blade slotted beneath the chin, which will instantaneously decapitate him/her upon detection of death and subsequently enter stasis to preserve the brain. Well I'm all for it.

Just something would be nice, and that would be quite the explanation.

[M-Sinistrari]

Nyoka wrote...

Are you expecting Bioware to explain how to bring dead people back to life? Might as well ask them for a cure for cancer...

They did scientific stuff with little robotic forceps and implants and syringes. Science from the future! I don't think anyone can say something more specific than that.

To be truthful how much of an explanation does some really need on this?  That it was established that a couple years of risky procedures and experimental tech were used to make Shepard the first person brought back from what to others would be a pretty permanent death is plenty explanation for me.

Do some really want some sort of detailed breakdown in itemized tech, DNA/RNA numbers, chemical composition to what was used?  If Bioware was capable of that, then why are they wasting time doing games when they can revolutionize the medical industry and make vastly more money than they currently do, not to mention who here really would understand the detailed science if it was fully hashed out?  I know I wouldn't, but then I'm fine with the 'it's the future so it's future science at work' reasoning.

[Anacronian Stryx]

It always comes back to that : It's science fiction or do you want Bioware to explain every single detail?

No but just try to explain the obvious ones, It's called suspension of disbelief and all stories needs to strive for it and obvious here Bioware failed because so many people are disbelieving the story of how Shepard was resurrected.

If they decided that the story needs to move forward and they will not explain it now they could have made it a mystery to be solved later and that wouldn't take much.

Shepard : "Edi i have some questions about project Lazarus".
EDI :"Yes?"
Shepard : "How did a terrorist organization do what a whole galaxy of doctors haven't been able to do so far?"
EDI :"I do not know Shepard."
Shepard :"Was reaper tech used?"
EDI : "I don't know Shepard."
Shepard : "A block?"
EDI :"No Shepard it seems that the Illusive man made sure i have no knowledge of project Lazarus".

This would push the whole thing into the realm of future mysteries ..instead they just opted for nothing, Glancing over it like it never really happened.

[KujiMuji]

Can't believe I had to read through all the troll crap...

I understand what you are saying, "Ok, Shepard is alive, Lazarus Project was talked about then forgotten, what gives, I need to learn MOAAAAR!"...
...but this storytelling technique has been done and re-done multiple times. DC revived Superman (Back when Doomsday was around) and Jason Todd (1st Robin), Marvel reviving Captain America and Hawkeye, etc etc.

Maybe people want the backstory, the "what happened during Lazarus Project?", the minor details about how they found Shepard's body (covered in the Mass Effect novels [in stores now] ), but the technical aspects of LP is impossible. It would be like trying to describe "transwarp beaming" on Star Trek. It's just not possible.

I am not exactly bothered by the "Let's bring Shepard back from the dead", since there have been worse ways to revive people in literate (Example: Todd/Captain America/Batman); I am fine with it, as long as they don't overdo it.

[eye basher]

This guy is just another troll just ignore him he'll go away.

[rft]

Turned from a discussion about a "plot hole", to a stupid argument, grow up kids.

[didymos1120]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Everyone is indeed bothered by this.

No. "Everyone" is not.  I think it's safe to say everyone wouldn't have minded some more technobabble and whatnot (because technobabble is all it would have been, don't fool yourself) about Lazarus, but everyone does not require it or see it as a big "issue". Yeah, sure, for a lot of people (but not nearly all of them) it's a whole "thing".  I'd advise them to, well, let it go.  We're almost certainly not getting more info about it at this late date.  It. Is. Done. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 avril 2011 - 03:54 .

[didymos1120]

M-Sinistrari wrote...
  If Bioware was capable of that, then why are they wasting time doing games when they can revolutionize the medical industry and make vastly more money than they currently do, not to mention who here really would understand the detailed science if it was fully hashed out?

Hey: they wouldn't even have to change names!

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 avril 2011 - 03:57 .

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