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[Augustei]

In a party banter between Merrill and Bethany when Merrill says she hasn't seen her parents in 10 years. Bethany says her father died in the blight? I thought Malcolm Hawke died like 5 years before it? Whats she talking about? Plot hole is bad <_<

[highcastle]

According to the Wiki, he died 3 years before Origins. However, as far as I know the cause of his death has never been mentioned. He could have still died of the Blight, I suppose, if he wandered into the Deep Roads or such. I'm actually curious about the circumstances myself, as it's this gap in my personal Hawke's history.

[da0Xeffect2]

He apparently died in 9:27 Dragon. I need to determine when they leave Lothering.

[The Angry One]

Problem is Bethany says he died in the Blight, not of the Blight.

Clearly this means only Carver surviving is canon.

*leaves among boos and hisses*

Modifié par The Angry One, 02 avril 2011 - 12:48 .

[da0Xeffect2]

There might be more to Malcom Hawke than we know. A mother telling her children that their father got killed during the Blight to protect them from something else wouldn't be surprising. It's just an idea though

[GodWood]

The Angry One wrote...

Problem is Bethany says he died in the Blight, not of the Blight.

Clearly this means only Carver surviving is canon.

*leaves among boos and hisses*

Yay!

[The Angry One]

da0Xeffect2 wrote...

There might be more to Malcom Hawke than we know. A mother telling her children that their father got killed during the Blight to protect them from something else wouldn't be surprising. It's just an idea though

The Blight starts shortly before DA:O, not years before.
Lothering's destruction/the time they leave is in 9:30 Dragon.

Modifié par The Angry One, 02 avril 2011 - 01:02 .

[da0Xeffect2]

The Angry One wrote...

da0Xeffect2 wrote...

There might be more to Malcom Hawke than we know. A mother telling her children that their father got killed during the Blight to protect them from something else wouldn't be surprising. It's just an idea though

The Blight starts shortly before DA:O, not years before.
Lothering's destruction/the time they leave is in 9:30 Dragon.

Something could still have happened within that time. A promise to a wife not to mention what happened to him is not improbable. 

[The Angry One]

da0Xeffect2 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

da0Xeffect2 wrote...

There might be more to Malcom Hawke than we know. A mother telling her children that their father got killed during the Blight to protect them from something else wouldn't be surprising. It's just an idea though

The Blight starts shortly before DA:O, not years before.
Lothering's destruction/the time they leave is in 9:30 Dragon.

Something could still have happened within that time. A promise to a wife not to mention what happened to him is not improbable. 

It doesn't matter what Leandra would say, if Malcolm died 3 years before the Blight then saying he died in that same Blight wouldn't make sense.
It's like saying someone who died in 1911 died in World War I.

Modifié par The Angry One, 02 avril 2011 - 01:13 .

[da0Xeffect2]

This was the shortest Blight in history. Exactly when the darkspawn began to blight it up wasn't revealed. It also seemed that some people were quick to call anything a blight like there were people to quickly dismiss it. Macolm could've been killed by a random darkspawn attack.

[Madman17]

ooooooor it could just be a simple plot hole that you could find about 10 of in near enough every game regardless of their quality if you look hard enough. No need to over analyse.

[Maconbar]

This really isn't a plot hole. It is just an error I would say.

[da0Xeffect2]

Madman17 wrote...

ooooooor it could just be a simple plot hole that you could find about 10 of in near enough every game regardless of their quality if you look hard enough. No need to over analyse.

It's just an idea that I'm trying to back up with evidence in the game.

[Madman17]

good luck with that!

[Bayz]

He died 3 years before Origins, resurrected 6 months before Ostagar and died again during the Blight.

Malcom Hawke is the Goku of Dragon Age.

[bluecuban]

The Angry One wrote...

da0Xeffect2 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

da0Xeffect2 wrote...

There might be more to Malcom Hawke than we know. A mother telling her children that their father got killed during the Blight to protect them from something else wouldn't be surprising. It's just an idea though

The Blight starts shortly before DA:O, not years before.
Lothering's destruction/the time they leave is in 9:30 Dragon.

Something could still have happened within that time. A promise to a wife not to mention what happened to him is not improbable. 

It doesn't matter what Leandra would say, if Malcolm died 3 years before the Blight then saying he died in that same Blight wouldn't make sense.
It's like saying someone who died in 1911 died in World War I.

However, when Duncan recruits you in DA:O, that's in early 9:29 Dragon - almost 9:28 Dragon.  During that time, he says he's recruiting Wardens for the Blight.  The Blight was still there, it just hadn't hit Ostagar yet.  No one has really explored the area below Fereldon so it's hard to say when it officially began.

Either way, I agree with the mother having lied about it.

[caradoc2000]

The Angry One wrote...

Problem is Bethany says he died in the Blight, not of the Blight.

The Blight was obviously a popular tavern in Lothering, Malcom Hawke had a heart attack and died in the Blight.

[erilben]

bluecuban wrote...

However, when Duncan recruits you in DA:O, that's in early 9:29 Dragon - almost 9:28 Dragon.  During that time, he says he's recruiting Wardens for the Blight.  The Blight was still there, it just hadn't hit Ostagar yet.  No one has really explored the area below Fereldon so it's hard to say when it officially began.

Either way, I agree with the mother having lied about it.

Alistair was recruited just 6 months before the battle of Ostagar, and the way he talks about his time with the Wardens they were not fighting the Blight when he was first recruited.

I don't know why people can't just say Bioware messed up.

Modifié par erilben, 02 avril 2011 - 02:34 .

[The Angry One]

bluecuban wrote...

However, when Duncan recruits you in DA:O, that's in early 9:29 Dragon - almost 9:28 Dragon.  During that time, he says he's recruiting Wardens for the Blight.  The Blight was still there, it just hadn't hit Ostagar yet.  No one has really explored the area below Fereldon so it's hard to say when it officially began.

Either way, I agree with the mother having lied about it.

At which point Duncan suspects that there will be a Blight, there isn't one yet.

[da0Xeffect2]

erilben wrote...

bluecuban wrote...

However, when Duncan recruits you in DA:O, that's in early 9:29 Dragon - almost 9:28 Dragon.  During that time, he says he's recruiting Wardens for the Blight.  The Blight was still there, it just hadn't hit Ostagar yet.  No one has really explored the area below Fereldon so it's hard to say when it officially began.

Either way, I agree with the mother having lied about it.

Alistair was recruited just 6 months before Origins, and the way he talks about his time with the Wardens they were not fighting the Blight when he was first recruited.

I don't know why people can't just say Bioware messed up.

It's a theory. Besides, Alistair's character always used jokes, sarcasm, and remembering the good times to keep himself sane. One night with the Wardens doesn't mean they aren't concerned about darkspawn

[da0Xeffect2]

The Angry One wrote...

bluecuban wrote...

However, when Duncan recruits you in DA:O, that's in early 9:29 Dragon - almost 9:28 Dragon.  During that time, he says he's recruiting Wardens for the Blight.  The Blight was still there, it just hadn't hit Ostagar yet.  No one has really explored the area below Fereldon so it's hard to say when it officially began.

Either way, I agree with the mother having lied about it.

At which point Duncan suspects that there will be a Blight, there isn't one yet.

A Blight has to begin somewhere. No one even knows for sure until the Grey Wardens can sense the archdemon. If everyone knew, there wouldn't be as much panic and probably a lot less people would've died

[erilben]

Another thing is the codex says Carver leaves home to join the King's army when the Blight begins, and then one month later he comes home after Cailan has been killed.

Modifié par erilben, 02 avril 2011 - 02:48 .

[Snowbug]

Maconbar wrote...

This really isn't a plot hole. It is just an error I would say.

Plotholes often are errors.

[sth128]

This is not a plot hole. It does not break the plot. It isn't even presented as fact. It's a line said by a character. Hawke's father's death could have been embarrassing or painful to speak of. Bethany could have simply lied and used the Blight as an excuse instead of revealing the truth.

Maybe Papa Hawke died from a heart attack while humping a goat, so why not tell a small lie to Merrile instead of spilling the truth?

A plot hole would be something like, King Calen shows up in the middle of the story and joined your party. This would invalidate the canon put forth in the previous game and thus breaking the PLOT.

[Grissium]

Guys did it ever occur to you that Bethany was the one who was lying? Maybe Dad died of something awful and it's a family secret, so the cover story the Hawkes use is Dad died in the Blight. Maybe Dad, an apostate mage, died of becoming an abomination that had to be put down. Frankly I wouldn't admit to that.

Heh - great minds sir!

Modifié par Grissium, 02 avril 2011 - 03:00 .