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[Aradace]

One word OP: Opinion.
Posting links etc for comparison does not make your point "fact". Despite what you may think, as much as it may displease you, it is, and forever will be, an "opinion." I for one enjoyed the story in DA2 far more than Origins.

[AlanC9]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Try telling that to Harry Potter fans when the franchise story bends towards Harry's family losing their homes because of a firestorm that destroyed their town, due to a final showdown between sorcerers and wizards. Then they have to get away fast, relocate to a another town where their families previously lived, became succsssful at teaching and developing sorcery/wizardy, got into a battle with the local head wizard, kicked his ass, then split without a trace. All of this told by a J.K. Rowling wanna-be, and see how that goes over.

I'm sure this example's supposed to be compelling, but I guess I'm not enough of a Harry Potter fan to see what the problem is.

[Lotion Soronarr]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

And the Ostagar scene was almost a carbon-copy of LotR - original it was not. In DA2, you're starting out as a humble refugee, one who's supposed to be in a desperate situation and who is basically just one of many, many other refugees. The beginning was fitting, and I would hardly have expected people to be lined up with cornets heralding the protagonist's entry into Kirkwall. In each game, the scenes were appropriate for the stories being told.

Copy of LOTR how? I don't recall anything like that in LOTR.

Unless you mean that a battle in rain against a horde of creatures is a LOTR-only thing and should never be used?

[AngelicMachinery]

How does I get emerzions.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Aradace wrote...

One word OP: Opinion.
Posting links etc for comparison does not make your point "fact". Despite what you may think, as much as it may displease you, it is, and forever will be, an "opinion." I for one enjoyed the story in DA2 far more than Origins.

Since when are "enjoying the story" and "game being immersive" one and the same?

[Eswyn]

Whats good in Dragon Age 2

Combat system, MORE SPEED!!!!...And blood thanky very much
Talent system, the fact that you can just pick one spell and make it better is just beautiful!
Crafting, sure made my life easier

Whats bad in Dragon Age 2

Story, not super bad but not even near Dragon Age Origins...oki is way off from what Origins is
Fanboys of DAO will be disappointed with Dragon Age 2, it just doesnt feel Dragon Age
Exploration, you see one house or cave and you seen them all.
Dialogue with your companions is predeterminesd
Darkspawn, they just dont look like the evil, stinking, scavengers, things...

And like Aradace said, its just my opinion

[AngelicMachinery]

Eswyn wrote...
Dialogue with your companions is predeterminesd

This is the one thing in the list I don't really understand.

[Aradace]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Aradace wrote...

One word OP: Opinion.
Posting links etc for comparison does not make your point "fact". Despite what you may think, as much as it may displease you, it is, and forever will be, an "opinion." I for one enjoyed the story in DA2 far more than Origins.

Since when are "enjoying the story" and "game being immersive" one and the same?

Because for me, it was "immersive".  You're welcome to your "opinion" of it not being "immersive" just dont try to pass off that opinion as fact like it seemed you were doing. 

[Eswyn]

think I spelled it wrong, predetermined I think

[AkiKishi]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Since when are "enjoying the story" and "game being immersive" one and the same?

Immersion is for CRPG's enjoying the story is for JRPG's (and other games).

[Aradace]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Since when are "enjoying the story" and "game being immersive" one and the same?

Immersion is for CRPG's enjoying the story is for JRPG's (and other games).

I found it both immersive and enjoyable.  *gasps* Unbelievable I know.  Which is why his statement is an OPINION and not FACT. 

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Here's my opinion. You can ask me to explain but you can't argue right or wrong with me.

If I can dive into the fantasy world to feel the character is me and to see things beyond graphics than it's immersive. But if I enjoy controlling puppet or super mario or power ranger or whatever bullcrap actor it is, despite the term "player character", without the feel of being inside the world than it's JRPG.

[Aradace]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Here's my opinion. You can ask me to explain but you can't argue right or wrong with me.

If I can dive into the fantasy world to feel the character is me and to see things beyond graphics than it's immersive. But if I enjoy controlling puppet or super mario or power ranger or whatever bullcrap actor it is, despite the term "player character", without the feel of being inside the world than it's JRPG.

No explanation required really.  At least you are saying that your stance is an opinion and not trying to pass it off as fact with links and what not.  I dont mind when people have different opinions than I do regardless of what some folks may try to claim around here.  What I do take issue with are people who try toseemingly pass their opinion off as fact.

[Darth Death]

mrcrusty wrote...

Fair point, but I live in Aussie land. Game's like $90 here retail. 

As someone who's a fan of more classical crpgs with a strong choice & consequence dynamic, what I've seen from DA 2 is in no way reassuring.

The demo didn't exactly inspire confidence in me either. So I don't think I'll be buying the game anytime soon.

I could pirate it, but then, I'd never admit to that.

It must feel good to sail the seven seas huh? I hope the sirens put a end to it.

[Tirigon]

Anastassia wrote...

Not really. DA:O's combat was snooze-worthy,

It took a while to get accustomed to it, but in fact it was awesome.

the graphics were horribly outdated, character models and animations were down-right primitive,

Both were better than in DA2, though.

and the pacing was very slow. I was the only person I know who enjoyed the Deep Roads.

I´d like to say "add me" but that wouldn´t entirely be true. The fact is that the Deep Roads weren´t as such "bad", but the rest was just even better.
Anyways, the worst about them was the huge amount of boring fights. And this is the problem DA2 has in EVERY SINGLE PLACE IN THE WORLD.

The story, choices, and subsequent consequences were better than DA2.

And that´s the most important anyways.

[Annora]

Tirigon wrote...

the graphics were horribly outdated, character models and animations were down-right primitive,

Both were better than in DA2, though.

Oh lord, no. No no no. The models were so half-assed, women were men with breasts attached. It was physically painful to look at them. The Elder Scrolls IV had character models that were on par with a game that came out, what? 4 years later? And those are notoriously atrocious.

Tirigon wrote...

The story, choices, and subsequent consequences were better than DA2.

And that´s the most important anyways.

Yes, mostly. But that was DA:O's schtick, the story made up for the many glaring flaws it had.

And to the person who was complaining about my use of "rose-tinted glasses," it's entirely applicable to this. Gamers are, by and large, afraid of change, even though they complain endlessly about how much they hated this one game, when a sequel comes around that isn't a carbon copy of the first game, they lose their ****. But if they were to release a sequel that was an exact copy of the first game, guess what? They would lose their ****.

People did not like DA:O. I don't know if any of you can remember, but the forums were just as flooded with "THIS GAME SUCKS!" topics as these are now. People said the story was cookie-cutter fantasy crap, the combat was too slow, the graphics were horribly outdated, the engine was poorly implemented, the companions were shallow and banal, the romances were awkward, the ending was stupid, the choices were useless, the launch day DLC was a rip-off, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

I don't see a whole hell of a lot of difference between those arguments and these new ones. It's just that now people are pointing to DA:O like it's some goddamn paragon of RPGs, when so many professed "hardcore CRPG fans" thought that it was complete and utter shovelware.

That is the very definition of rose-tinted.

Modifié par Anastassia, 03 avril 2011 - 08:16 .

[viverravid]

Among gamers, "immersion" now means "stuff I like", except you get to feel more intelligent when you say it.

[Aradace]

viverravid wrote...

Among gamers, "immersion" now means "stuff I like", except you get to feel more intelligent when you say it.

Immersion -
-noun-
 
1.
an act or instance of immersing.
2.
state of being immersed.
3.
state of being deeply engaged or involved; absorption

Yep, by definition #3 I'd say it STILL was an immersive story.  I felt both engaged AND involved in the story for the most part.  Soooooo, by the text book definition of the word, yes I did find it to be very immersive.  Pretty ignorant of you to think that all gamers think that way.

[Aargh12]

Ah, immersion. We have dismissed those claims.

[abaris]

viverravid wrote...

Among gamers, "immersion" now means "stuff I like", except you get to feel more intelligent when you say it.

Immersion means when playing a game, I forget the 1st is coming and I don't know how to pay my bills. That's real immersion and I don't need wikipedia for that.

[Tirigon]

Anastassia wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

the graphics were horribly outdated, character models and animations were down-right primitive,

Both were better than in DA2, though.

Oh lord, no. No no no. The models were so half-assed, women were men with breasts attached. It was physically painful to look at them. The Elder Scrolls IV had character models that were on par with a game that came out, what? 4 years later? And those are notoriously atrocious.

DAO:

And nekkid (NSFW!!!!!!!!!): http://screenshot.xf...112565451-3.jpg

DA2:




TES4: Oblivion


You were saying?

[Rawgrim]

My immersion went straight out the window when a single stab from a dagger caused my enemy`slimbs to fall off, and his torso got severed.

[Monica83]

Oh yes dragon age 2 have a nice immersion indeed! where?... The story is bland the world information is bland.. Manga animation and ennemy rain for the sky... Oh and you talk with icons.....

Oh pleaase play baldur's gate 2 and see what is it a REAL IMMERSION

[Lotion Soronarr]

Aradace wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Aradace wrote...

One word OP: Opinion.
Posting links etc for comparison does not make your point "fact". Despite what you may think, as much as it may displease you, it is, and forever will be, an "opinion." I for one enjoyed the story in DA2 far more than Origins.

Since when are "enjoying the story" and "game being immersive" one and the same?

Because for me, it was "immersive".  You're welcome to your "opinion" of it not being "immersive" just dont try to pass off that opinion as fact like it seemed you were doing. 

Immersiveness is something that is not completely subjective, as it relies on believable/realistic elements.

I can dive in knee-deep water. That doesn't make the pool I'm swiming in deep....

[Killer3000ad]

My immersion was lost the moment an assassin backflipped in my face, one-shotted Bethany, then stealthed again, brought my tank down to 1/5 life, drank a potion and then stealthed again.