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[Allison W]

Leliana doesn't seem crazy to me so much as she seems traumatized and emotionally scarred--and the fact that she's capable of taking pleasure in evil things doesn't change the fact that (unless you harden her) she still refuses to go back down that path because it's not the kind of person she wants to be. She has evil impulses and she's done evil things, but she's nonetheless honest in her desire to reform herself... and I can give her credit for that.

I don't know if she's my type (she's a bit froufrou for my tastes; I like a little ruggedness), but I had a lot of fun romancing her. She is very sweet, and it's heartwarming. She really is a good girl, if you can get past the fact that at one time, she wasn't--and even then, I think she did what she did because someone she loved and respected, and trusted more than she trusted herself, told her it was OK.

As long as we're talking flaws, I like that if you look closely, you can see her forehead wrinkling. I like that close observation actually reveals signs that she is as old as she is.

Modifié par Allison W, 07 février 2010 - 10:18 .

[wowpwnslol]

They should have included Aerie type girl in DA. Aerie was the best.

[Raycer X]

I'm a fan of Leliana although I wouldn't mind a "nice girl" in Awakenings... But besides that, I'll stick with Leliana for now. The way she says softie pretty much won me over.

[Randomname1212]

Wynne is nice... err... yeah.

[Demonic Spoon]

So wait...apparently being a spy/assassin in your past removes you from being a "nice girl".



So, then, anyone want to explain to me how you could logically put a "nice girl" in as a companion? Since "Nice girls" apparently don't actually do anything, harm anyone, or do anything that's not girlish, how do you expect that to make sense from a writing point of view?



You're a bunch of hardened warriors. Among the Origins group is a former assassin/bard, another former assassin (who killed targets in a slightly different manner), a golem, a templar Grey Warden, a qunari warrior, a First Enhanter from the tower, a powerful apostate mage and one of the best warriors in Orzammar (since Oghren was said to be one of the Warrior Caste's best)...and probably some more I'm forgetting. Where is a "nice girl" going to fit in?

[SilentAspire]

I thought Leliana and Morrigan were both equally charming in their own ways. I can see how they might not be exactly to someone's taste, but if you're looking for a "pure" and completely "good" girl, that's just not possible. No one is perfect, and it seems extremely hard to find someone absolutely pure in a place like Ferelden. Also, just look at Lily from the Mage opening... she's another good example of what people are like in a world like that (in that she's not as innocent as she would first appear).

[Red.Murder1]

Sadare wrote...

Kelston wrote...

Sadare wrote...

I would like to know why there are no girls as a tank class, and only blokes ?

I was hoping to have come across a female tank to be in my grp as i normally play a caster and thought be nice to have an lla girl grp but with no up front tanking girl i have to have one of the male chars up front.

You could make Morrigan an arcane warrior avoidance tank.

Possible, but thinking more of a proper warrior class tank with access to the taunts and the warrior like skills that the other male chars have (sten, Alistar, Og'n)  Maybe they will launch a female tank as further dlc as time goes on ?

But i guess on my  next run thorugh ill make female tank char and go that route. 

 

They already did. Shale is a girl

[Randomname1212]

They already did. Shale is a girl

I think they meant girls that aren't made of stone.

[Sarielle]

Jeez guys, non-spoiler forum!

Demonic Spoon wrote...

So wait...apparently being a spy/assassin in your past removes you from being a "nice girl".

So, then, anyone want to explain to me how you could logically put a "nice girl" in as a companion? Since "Nice girls" apparently don't actually do anything, harm anyone, or do anything that's not girlish, how do you expect that to make sense from a writing point of view?

You're a bunch of hardened warriors. Among the Origins group is a former assassin/bard, another former assassin (who killed targets in a slightly different manner), a golem, a templar Grey Warden, a qunari warrior, a First Enhanter from the tower, a powerful apostate mage and one of the best warriors in Orzammar (since Oghren was said to be one of the Warrior Caste's best)...and probably some more I'm forgetting. Where is a "nice girl" going to fit in?

I think what most people mean by "nice girl" is not a collossal **** personality-wise, and not sexually promiscuous -- before they met you, of course! Then it's okay.




EDIT: IE, presumably your HFN character could be a "good girl;" she knows how to fight but didn't make her living killing people/weasling info out of them. She'd just have to also pass up on the sexual encounters offered.

Modifié par Sarielle, 07 février 2010 - 09:48 .

[Sarielle]

distinguetraces wrote...

ITT: attitudes toward morality hopelessly muddled by attitudes toward sex.

Too true, sadly.

[errant_knight]

I like Leiliana, and I admire that she wants to change her life, but I'm not convinced that she really gets why some things in her past were less than excellent (edited to remove minor spoiler). That being said, she's trying really hard, and that gets a lot of points with me. 'Good?' Maybe not, but she's a pretty light shade of grey. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice not to see a female option who didn't have a murky past.

Kelston wrote...

Ferelden does not leave room for nice which is why you have the option to make Alistair not as soft later on.

All you do is get him to stand up for what he believes more and doubt himself less. His character doesn't change, he still wants to make 'good' choices. He's still a nice guy.

Now, I know some of you think nice is boring (which makes me think you haven't had some of the dating experiences I have , but even if you don't like Alistair, you have to be aware that there are legions who do. Is it really surprising that there are those who'd like a similar romance option with a female?

Modifié par errant_knight, 08 février 2010 - 12:10 .

[Randomname1212]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing a "good" girl. But really I don't think there is ever a completely pure character, having one would just be too "one-sided" anyways. And I agree that in the company of the Gray Warden, there are things that happen that a soft and innocent character just cant handle. In my opinion, the best bet you have for a good girl is Leliana. She has a good character and she wants to make things right, also she isn't exactly sultry. Plus from the quests I have done, don't want to spoil anything here, she has a pretty good conscience.

[Sarielle]

Randomname1212 wrote...

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing a "good" girl. But really I don't think there is ever a completely pure character, having one would just be too "one-sided" anyways. And I agree that in the company of the Gray Warden, there are things that happen that a soft and innocent character just cant handle. In my opinion, the best bet you have for a good girl is Leliana. She has a good character and she wants to make things right, also she isn't exactly sultry. Plus from the quests I have done, don't want to spoil anything here, she has a pretty good conscience.

I think that could be a fun theme though...the whole "loss of innocence" idea -- and it wouldn't necessarily have to be sexual, either.

See if they bend or break, etc. And of course your PC could help influence that somewhat.

Modifié par Sarielle, 08 février 2010 - 12:37 .

[Randomname1212]

Sarielle wrote...

Randomname1212 wrote...

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing a "good" girl. But really I don't think there is ever a completely pure character, having one would just be too "one-sided" anyways. And I agree that in the company of the Gray Warden, there are things that happen that a soft and innocent character just cant handle. In my opinion, the best bet you have for a good girl is Leliana. She has a good character and she wants to make things right, also she isn't exactly sultry. Plus from the quests I have done, don't want to spoil anything here, she has a pretty good conscience.

I think that could be a fun theme though...the whole "loss of innocence" idea -- and it wouldn't necessarily have to be sexual, either.

See if they bend or break, etc. And of course your PC could help influence that somewhat.

Yeah, but doesn't Leliana have a sort of "loss of innocence" theme to her? I  mean she was once a bard who lived happily in Orlesia until her whole world turned upside down and Marjolaine framed her, thats a pretty big change. But I just don't think someone who is innocent and pure can be an active fighting part of the group, unless she is hardened somewhat ofcourse. She can have good intentions and morals, but I  dont think she can be a saint.

[Sarielle]

Randomname1212 wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Randomname1212 wrote...

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing a "good" girl. But really I don't think there is ever a completely pure character, having one would just be too "one-sided" anyways. And I agree that in the company of the Gray Warden, there are things that happen that a soft and innocent character just cant handle. In my opinion, the best bet you have for a good girl is Leliana. She has a good character and she wants to make things right, also she isn't exactly sultry. Plus from the quests I have done, don't want to spoil anything here, she has a pretty good conscience.

I think that could be a fun theme though...the whole "loss of innocence" idea -- and it wouldn't necessarily have to be sexual, either.

See if they bend or break, etc. And of course your PC could help influence that somewhat.

Yeah, but doesn't Leliana have a sort of "loss of innocence" theme to her? I  mean she was once a bard who lived happily in Orlesia until her whole world turned upside down and Marjolaine framed her, thats a pretty big change. But I just don't think someone who is innocent and pure can be an active fighting part of the group, unless she is hardened somewhat ofcourse. She can have good intentions and morals, but I  dont think she can be a saint.

Who says a good girl has to be an utter saint?

Eh, without totally spoilering, Leliana was not what I'd call innocent  -- but maybe we're talking semantics here.

That said, I don't see why a good character, who maybe didn't even want to have to fight, couldn't be able to step up and pull a "greater good" or whatever. I mean look at Alistair...he's basically a male version of a good girl, and he feels believable to me.

[Randomname1212]

Sarielle wrote...

Who says a good girl has to be an utter saint?

Eh, without totally spoilering, Leliana was not what I'd call innocent  -- but maybe we're talking semantics here.

That said, I don't see why a good character, who maybe didn't even want to have to fight, couldn't be able to step up and pull a "greater good" or whatever. I mean look at Alistair...he's basically a male version of a good girl, and he feels believable to me.

I do admire Alistair though for his character, though would it really fit to have a character who has the same personality except the same gender? I guess you could do the whole "good girl" thing with your PC, as you would control your character. Though in my opinion, Leliana is a pretty good "good girl" at least relative to Morrigan. Actually Wynne is a pretty "good girl" too, but nobody likes her.

[Sarielle]

Randomname1212 wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Who says a good girl has to be an utter saint?

Eh, without totally spoilering, Leliana was not what I'd call innocent  -- but maybe we're talking semantics here.

That said, I don't see why a good character, who maybe didn't even want to have to fight, couldn't be able to step up and pull a "greater good" or whatever. I mean look at Alistair...he's basically a male version of a good girl, and he feels believable to me.

I do admire Alistair though for his character, though would it really fit to have a character who has the same personality except the same gender? I guess you could do the whole "good girl" thing with your PC, as you would control your character. Though in my opinion, Leliana is a pretty good "good girl" at least relative to Morrigan. Actually Wynne is a pretty "good girl" too, but nobody likes her.

Heh, Leliana may be good, but I still wouldn't call her innocent.

I also don't think the companion would have to be a female Alistair...I was simply saying that the "good guy" companion worked fine, so no reason a "good girl" wouldn't work fine too. I suppose I take exception to the idea that a man can be "good" and still be useful to a Grey Warden, but a girl cannot. I fail to see the logic there.

[Randomname1212]

Sarielle wrote...

Randomname1212 wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Who says a good girl has to be an utter saint?

Eh, without totally spoilering, Leliana was not what I'd call innocent  -- but maybe we're talking semantics here.

That said, I don't see why a good character, who maybe didn't even want to have to fight, couldn't be able to step up and pull a "greater good" or whatever. I mean look at Alistair...he's basically a male version of a good girl, and he feels believable to me.

I do admire Alistair though for his character, though would it really fit to have a character who has the same personality except the same gender? I guess you could do the whole "good girl" thing with your PC, as you would control your character. Though in my opinion, Leliana is a pretty good "good girl" at least relative to Morrigan. Actually Wynne is a pretty "good girl" too, but nobody likes her.

Heh, Leliana may be good, but I still wouldn't call her innocent.

I also don't think the companion would have to be a female Alistair...I was simply saying that the "good guy" companion worked fine, so no reason a "good girl" wouldn't work fine too. I suppose I take exception to the idea that a man can be "good" and still be useful to a Grey Warden, but a girl cannot. I fail to see the logic there.

Well its always good to divesify the characters, so I guess it would be alright to have an innocent/good girl given that the companion has a good back story of course. :happy:

Modifié par Randomname1212, 08 février 2010 - 12:59 .

[Sarielle]

Yeah, I think Bioware's writers could pull it of w/out feeling like an Alistair fem-clone.





That said, I don't honestly care whether they include one or not; though like you said, I'm always happy for variety.

[Randomname1212]

Sarielle wrote...

Yeah, I think Bioware's writers could pull it of w/out feeling like an Alistair fem-clone.


That said, I don't honestly care whether they include one or not; though like you said, I'm always happy for variety.

Yeah, Bioware's writers seem to be pretty talented. Though having more companions is always great really, it would just make the story deeper and stuff.

[errant_knight]

Sarielle wrote...

Randomname1212 wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

Who says a good girl has to be an utter saint?

Eh, without totally spoilering, Leliana was not what I'd call innocent  -- but maybe we're talking semantics here.

That said, I don't see why a good character, who maybe didn't even want to have to fight, couldn't be able to step up and pull a "greater good" or whatever. I mean look at Alistair...he's basically a male version of a good girl, and he feels believable to me.

I do admire Alistair though for his character, though would it really fit to have a character who has the same personality except the same gender? I guess you could do the whole "good girl" thing with your PC, as you would control your character. Though in my opinion, Leliana is a pretty good "good girl" at least relative to Morrigan. Actually Wynne is a pretty "good girl" too, but nobody likes her.

Heh, Leliana may be good, but I still wouldn't call her innocent.

I also don't think the companion would have to be a female Alistair...I was simply saying that the "good guy" companion worked fine, so no reason a "good girl" wouldn't work fine too. I suppose I take exception to the idea that a man can be "good" and still be useful to a Grey Warden, but a girl cannot. I fail to see the logic there.

 Exactly. I was thinking that, but instead of trying to find a nice way to say it, I just threw my hands up and went for a beer.

[ejikvkaske]

Let's see, a female version of Alistair would be a whiny virgin with a rather large inferiority complex, which she tries to mask behind some pre-school level humor. No thanks.

[Allison W]

Would you prefer a female version of Oghren or Sten?



Hmmm.

[spottyblanket]

I do agree actullay. Most of the women, in fact...all of them are pretty unrelatable--MPCs as well as compansions. Leliana was probably the nicest female character and thats only because she has to be passive and submit herself to her religious duty. Morrigan, well everyone knows about that. Wynne can be kind, but she is also hard and preachy--she doesn't speak her OWN mind, have you noticed she ussually starts a sentence with, 'you should this' or 'people do this and that', which makes her sound like she is above EVERYONE.   Flemeth is a cool character but again, selfish. Branka, insane and selfish. Auroa, wise but selfish. Connor's mother (whatshername) is whiny and quick to judge.

Aside from the character I created MYSELF. I can't think of any female characters that I, as a female feel sympathy for in the game. The know game delevopers THINK that when designing women characters they need to make them strong and tough. I get that. But does that mean they have to be 'cold, insecure and inaccessiable?' Making a female character who is NICE does not make them passive Bioware... x.x

The only female character NPC I liked was that adorable little dwarf girl who wanted to go to the Circle. She was darling! She knew what she wanted in life, she was willing to give up her caste and go fufil her dream. And she had a smart head on her shoulders. *thumbsup*

Modifié par spottyblanket, 08 février 2010 - 09:52 .