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[mcha82]

F-C wrote...

not as naive as the person who missed the point of my post.

anyways, apparently i am indeed surrounded by less than brilliant minds, so i will take my leave and you can enjoy your cesspool of ignorance.

though the blizzard defenders lack of perception or common sense does sort of amusingly reinforce what i was mentioning earlier with the term "sheeple".

enjoy your semblance of life i suppose.

Really, why so angry? I really don't understand why this subject should elicit any type of anger.

[Annora]

Eww, good god no. Blizzard is such a goddamn joke now. You all complain about BioWare being EA's lapdog, but EA still hasn't ripped you off half as much as BlizzActiVision has their customers.

mcha82 wrote...



At least Blizzard would have taken the
time to develop the game. You don't see Activision pushing Blizzard
around in terms of deadlines.

This is so hilarious, you don't even know. Vivendi pushed Blizzard to release WoW early, which was full of bugs and half-finished. They didn't even have PVP in on launch, that's ridiculous. Once the ActiVision merger went through, things started getting pushed out faster and faster, and full of even more bugs.

They made their RTS games properly, but the one they make all their money off of? It's been full of bugs and poorly tested since its release.

mcha82 wrote...

Blizzard's
success speaks for itself. They've got nothing left to prove.
Personally, I long ago stopped playing World of Warcraft, in fact, I
HATE thinking about how much time I put into that game.  But I still
give them grudging praise, they know how to take their time to develop a
game and test it fully.

Starcraft 2 I still play, and I will buy Diablo 3 when it comes out, as undoubtedly many others here as well.

They're successful, yes. But that doesn't make them infallible demigods of developing games.

Modifié par Anastassia, 03 avril 2011 - 11:29 .

[Romantiq]

Sgt McKill wrote...

Dragon Age 2 is a masterpiece. So was Origins and ME 1 & 2. As for the Obsidian thing... KOTOR1 was better than KOTOR2 and Fallout 3 was better than New Vegas, therefore, if you want an amazing sequel don't hand it over to Obsidian, they'll only produce a mediocre rehash of the first game... Blizzard has three solid franchises and should not wander from them because they'll have no idea what to do. They know how to make three things: an AMAZING RTS, a super-fun Dungeon Crawler with a crappy story, and an addictive MMORPG. I highly doubt they can do anything else. Blizzard stories have never been very impressive either. Bottom line is, BioWare kicks ass.

I stopped reading after you wrote that DA2 is a masterpiece.


LMAO.

Modifié par Romantiq, 03 avril 2011 - 11:26 .

[Boiny Bunny]

F-C wrote...

not as naive as the person who missed the point of my post.

anyways, apparently i am indeed surrounded by less than brilliant minds, so i will take my leave and you can enjoy your cesspool of ignorance.

though the blizzard defenders lack of perception or common sense does sort of amusingly reinforce what i was mentioning earlier with the term "sheeple".

enjoy your semblance of life i suppose.

Sigh.  How pitiful.  Yet another fool, desperately attempting to convince others that he is intelligent, all the while not realising that the more intelligent you attempt to make yourself look on forums, the less you actually come across as such.

You've already made it clear via your earlier posts that you are of sub-standard intelligence, incredibly arrogant, and know absolutely nothing about the history surrounding World War 2.  No amount of blatantly exclaiming "I AM SMART.  YOU ARE SHEEP" is going to convince anybody otherwise.

Heheheh  Made me smirk though, reading what you wrote.

[Dasha Dreyson]

No. Each company should make their own games in the styles they like. If I want storytelling and romance, I look at Bioware. If I want to chat with my friends while playing a game, I'll go to Blizzard (edit: or use Steam). If I want to run away from plot, I go to Bethesda. Why would I want to change that?

Modifié par Dasha Dreyson, 03 avril 2011 - 11:37 .

[PsychoBlonde]

Since I've yet to see Blizzard produce any really strong writing, I'll pass. Would be interesting to see them do a real RPG though.

[Annora]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Since I've yet to see Blizzard produce any really strong writing, I'll pass. Would be interesting to see them do a real RPG though.

Not with Metzen at the wheel. He'd voice 90% of the characters, and they'd all be Mary Sues.

[mcha82]

Anastassia wrote...

They're successful, yes. But that doesn't make them infallible demigods of developing games.

No they're not infallible, but they're still well far and ahead of most developers in terms of wanting to produce quality over quantity. Which is a rare trait in this industry.

Modifié par mcha82, 03 avril 2011 - 11:45 .

[Annora]

mcha82 wrote...

No they're not infallible, but they're still well far and ahead of most developers in terms of wanting to produce quality over quantity. Which is a rare trait in this industry.

This point is as subjective as me saying that Rockstar is a rare jewel that consistently delivers quality games.

[gotthammer]

Eww. Not Blizzard.
I didn't even bother getting SC2 (all I wanted to see were the cutscenes anyway, and those are all on YouTube. The game itself is pretty much the same, too. Maybe when they release the 'bundle' thingy )

Maybe CD Projekt RED or even Obsidian (IMHO, Alpha Protocol was a good RPG...just needed more polish and patches). Heck, even Funcom (AoC was disappointing, but they still made TLJ and TLJ:Dreamfall, after all). Maybe even the guys who made Mount & Blade (Turkish, right?), or a German, Easter European or Eurasian developer.

That said, I wouldn't call for a change in developer or publisher (that's kinda weird to begin with lol).
If the practice is to rush out games to maximize profit w/ whatever cost:benefit thingy they compute...then maybe it's the practice that folks should demand/want/ask changed.

I'm in Asia, and I actually like EA for a couple of reasons: their games are apparently cheaper (my brand new DA2 SE cost me around 30 USD) and they offer the same pre-order bonuses/collector's edition deals as that in the US or Europe (more or less, anyway. It would've been a pain to pre-order/order then SHIP, from the US, that Warhammer Online Collector's Edition box had I gotten it from Amazon)
I mean, I know about what EA has done in the past w/ other devs, but... *shrugs*
(I miss Origins)

I just hope the next game/s from Bioware (or ANY dev) under EA won't suffer the same shortcomings as DA2 (the 'feels rushed' bit).

[mcha82]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Since I've yet to see Blizzard produce any really strong writing, I'll pass. Would be interesting to see them do a real RPG though.

I would really be genuinly interested to see what Blizzard would do if they were to produce a CRPG. If only because it's usually not their style of game they normally develop.

[mcha82]

Anastassia wrote...

mcha82 wrote...

No they're not infallible, but they're still well far and ahead of most developers in terms of wanting to produce quality over quantity. Which is a rare trait in this industry.

This point is as subjective as me saying that Rockstar is a rare jewel that consistently delivers quality games.

hint what I said, "most developers."  And I don't think you can really compare Rockstar and Blizzard at all, considering they both make completely different style of games.

Modifié par mcha82, 03 avril 2011 - 11:51 .

[Annora]

mcha82 wrote...

hint what I said, "most developers."  And I don't think you can really compare Rockstar and Blizzard at all, considering they make completely different style of games.

And yet here you are, comparing Blizzard to BioWare. Blizzard makes RTSes and a subpar MMORPG, their attempt to make it onto consoles failed miserably and was cancelled indefinitely.

Rockstar and BioWare have more in common than Blizzard does with either of them.

[PsychoBlonde]

mcha82 wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Since I've yet to see Blizzard produce any really strong writing, I'll pass. Would be interesting to see them do a real RPG though.

I would really be genuinly interested to see what Blizzard would do if they were to produce a CRPG. If only because it's usually not their style of game they normally develop.

Maybe I'll go submit my idea for a 17th century fantasy rpg to them.  They already have the medival fantasy (sort of) franchise and the far future franchise.  Kind of like Bioware, actually,  Maybe I'll let them fight over it. 

[mcha82]

Anastassia wrote...

mcha82 wrote...

hint what I said, "most developers."  And I don't think you can really compare Rockstar and Blizzard at all, considering they make completely different style of games.

And yet here you are, comparing Blizzard to BioWare. Blizzard makes RTSes and a subpar MMORPG, their attempt to make it onto consoles failed miserably and was cancelled indefinitely.

Rockstar and BioWare have more in common than Blizzard does with either of them.

Well, considering the title of the thread is "Would you have preferred if Dragon Age 2 was handled by Blizzard?" well obviously some comparison has to be made. If you look back at my responses in this thread, I never said Blizzard would have done a better job then Bioware, I simply said they would most likely have taken time on development as they do on all their games. Whether the outcome would have been better, I don't know, and I've never specifically commented one way or the other.

If you think about it, the comparision between Bioware and Blizzard is only natural, given how both companies really made their mark developing on the PC and have a loyal following in the PC gaming community. But I agree, Bioware has gone more multi-platform so Rockstar would also be a valid comparison.

Modifié par mcha82, 04 avril 2011 - 12:03 .

[Annora]

mcha82 wrote...

Well, considering the title of the thread is "Would you have preferred if Dragon Age 2 was handled by Blizzard?" well obviously some comparison has to be made. If you look back at my responses in this thread, I never said Blizzard would have done a better job then Bioware, I simply said they would most likely have taken time on development as they do on all their games. Whether the outcome would have been better, I don't know, and I've never specifically commented one way or the other.

If you think about it, the comparision between Bioware and Blizzard are valid, given how both companies really made their mark developing on the PC and have a loyal following on the PC gaming community.

BioWare hasn't made anything PC exclusive for like 10 years. And it's still apples and oranges.

I shudder to think of Blizzard trying to make any sort of story-driven games, their writers are atrocious. Can they do gameplay? For the most part, sure, but the stories in their games have ever been an afterthought.

A long development cycle does not a perfect game make.

[mcha82]

Anastassia wrote...

mcha82 wrote...

Well, considering the title of the thread is "Would you have preferred if Dragon Age 2 was handled by Blizzard?" well obviously some comparison has to be made. If you look back at my responses in this thread, I never said Blizzard would have done a better job then Bioware, I simply said they would most likely have taken time on development as they do on all their games. Whether the outcome would have been better, I don't know, and I've never specifically commented one way or the other.

If you think about it, the comparision between Bioware and Blizzard are valid, given how both companies really made their mark developing on the PC and have a loyal following on the PC gaming community.

BioWare hasn't made anything PC exclusive for like 10 years. And it's still apples and oranges.

I shudder to think of Blizzard trying to make any sort of story-driven games, their writers are atrocious. Can they do gameplay? For the most part, sure, but the stories in their games have ever been an afterthought.

A long development cycle does not a perfect game make.

Yet Bioware still has a loyal following among PC gamers - That is a fact. Look i'm not the one who made the topic, I'm just responding to it. But there's no denying that Bioware and Blizzard are going to be competitors in one certain way, especially with Bioware going into the MMO market with The Old republic. I believe it's inevitable that comparisons between the two developers is only going to grow.

While I agree that a long development cycle may not make a perfect game, I also believe a short development cycle certainly won't.

Modifié par mcha82, 04 avril 2011 - 12:20 .

[Fieryeel]

But look at it this way! "What was made for the PC stays on the PC" - Blizzard understood this fact very well.

They would never screw over PC gamers for the sake of extra money on consoles.

I am not saying DA2 shouldn't be played on console, but one can't deny that much of how DA2 turned out was geared for console rather than PC play.

[Boiny Bunny]

The thing is - when Blizzard has a crap game on thier hands, they actually can it.

Case in point: Warcraft Adventures - Lord of the Clans

Case in point 2: Starcraft Ghost

If it doesn't meet their quality standards, it get axed completely, regardless of how much money has already been sunk into it.

Quality comes before money. Something that no longer applies to Bioware.

[Foryou]

ummm no this is a bioware game Blizzard makes different kinds of games. and if Blizzard made this then we wouldn't have seen concept art for this game yet

[TheRaj]

Bioware games have a very unique feel about them. I wouldn't want to give them to another developer.

Unfortunately, I feel Bioware are forgetting this with their emphasis on 'button-awesome'. If you start trying to make Diablo (with Hawke blurring across the screen and exploding enemies in a shower of blood droplets), Blizzard will likely do it better than you.

[Mantaal]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

Ew....no way dude. Blizzard making DA2? That would be a disaster.

Yeah we would get Exploding Bodys and Flying PlateMail Warriors in alot of Hack&Slash with a bad story and no inventory for the group... hmm wait a minute! 

[Atmosfear3]

While I tend to enjoy Bioware's storytelling, I wish more than anything they'd let Blizzard handle their quality control. If theres one thing that Blizzard does right its that their games ship fully functional, barring any balance issues which may arise after release (natural for most games really).

As a previous poster said, I'd rather wait a while to receive a quality, polished product than pay to be a beta tester after release.

[Wye]

We'd get games less frequently. NO. Blizzard has never sat well with me.

[Lord Phoebus]

I'd take Obsidian's writing and creative staff with Blizzard's technical and programming staff.