Okay say what you will about Anders blowing up the Chantery, but was Anders Justified for what he did even if it was wrong. I mean is he justified for blowing up the chantery. Due to him thinking that it was the only way to solve the Mage Templar Problem.
To be honest I think he is justified I mean he thought that the end would justify the means. To add on he took complete responsiblity for his action and didn't put up a fight when he confessed to what he did. He was fine with being killed as well.
Was Anders Justified (No Pun intended)
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Foryou
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:05
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I wonder how many times we discussed this topic hmmmm.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:07
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Terrorism is never justified.
Also, he took responsibility because he developed a martyr complex, he thinks he will be killed for it and that everybody will remember his name as the great mage liberator.. rather than another in a long line of self destructive abominations.
Also, he took responsibility because he developed a martyr complex, he thinks he will be killed for it and that everybody will remember his name as the great mage liberator.. rather than another in a long line of self destructive abominations.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:08
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Bigdoser wrote...
I wonder how many times we discussed this topic hmmmm.
Heeeeeeey, not everyone was involved in it. And people have the right to say nothing if they aren't interested in it.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:08
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What he did was inevitable. He just made the decision to do it before anyone else. And by what he did' I mean breaking the deadlock between Meredith and Orsino. It would always have taken something radical for that to happen, and would always have involved loss of life.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:09
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The Chantry wasn't the problem - the Grand Cleric Elthina did her best to minimize the tensions between the two groups. By blowing up the chantry, Anders killed the best defender the mages had - and he did so on purpose. Anders wanted to force the mages into rebellion.
Every mage should have had the right to choose which side they belonged to - but Anders chose for them.
Every mage should have had the right to choose which side they belonged to - but Anders chose for them.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:09
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No, killing innocent people to force an issue is never justified. Strike at those who deserve it.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:10
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I suppose the mages who broke free from the Chantry and the templars, and no longer have to live a life of servitude and subjugation, probably don't see Anders the same way that the Chantry or the templars do. I'm certain he's a hero to some, and a villain to others. He wanted to bring an end to the slavery of his people, and made a deal with a spirit to do it. He stands as one of the more complex and conflicted characters of the sequel. Whether it was the correct course of action or not has been debated many times, with no consensus reached.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:10
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Anarcala wrote...
What he did was inevitable. He just made the decision to do it before anyone else. And by what he did' I mean breaking the deadlock between Meredith and Orsino. It would always have taken something radical for that to happen, and would always have involved loss of life.
He could have simply killed the Grand Cleric. He didn't have to destroy the Chantry and everyone in it.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:12
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Actually yes and no. You can find reasons for both sides. Was it justified in a historical context? Maybe, time will tell. Is it justified to kill innocents? It never is.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:12
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LobselVith8 wrote...
I suppose the mages who broke free from the Chantry and the templars, and no longer have to live a life of servitude and subjugation, probably don't see Anders the same way that the Chantry or the templars do. I'm certain he's a hero to some, and a villain to others. He wanted to bring an end to the slavery of his people, and made a deal with a spirit to do it. He stands as one of the more complex and conflicted characters of the sequel. Whether it was the correct course of action or not has been debated many times, with no consensus reached.
Oh you mean the ones who'll soon die in the war whether by Templar or being sacrificed by their blood mage leaders?
Those ones? Yeah I'm sure they're praising Anders' name.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:12
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Bigdoser wrote...
I wonder how many times we discussed this topic hmmmm.
You're surprised that people are discussing this on a DA2 forum? Seriously?
To answer the original question: Yes. The templars are a branch of the Chantry, and responsible for its actions. People need to stop thinking of the Chantry as an innocent bystander because they're a religious organization. This isn't the church down the street that you go every Sunday. Yes, there were some innocent people in there. There were also some people that desperately needed to be sent to Andraste herself so she can tell them how disgusted she is at the crimes committed in her name. It sucks for those innocent people, but his actions may well prevent many more centuries of tyrany and oppression. No war is without innocent casualities.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:13
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TJPags wrote...
Anarcala wrote...
What he did was inevitable. He just made the decision to do it before anyone else. And by what he did' I mean breaking the deadlock between Meredith and Orsino. It would always have taken something radical for that to happen, and would always have involved loss of life.
He could have simply killed the Grand Cleric. He didn't have to destroy the Chantry and everyone in it.
But he did. He didn't just need to kill the Grand Cleric, he needed a more powerful symbol to split opinion. That way you only have the option to agree or disagree with his actions. You know exactly who your enemies are then.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:13
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LobselVith8 wrote...
I suppose the mages who broke free from the Chantry and the templars, and no longer have to live a life of servitude and subjugation, probably don't see Anders the same way that the Chantry or the templars do. I'm certain he's a hero to some, and a villain to others. He wanted to bring an end to the slavery of his people, and made a deal with a spirit to do it. He stands as one of the more complex and conflicted characters of the sequel. Whether it was the correct course of action or not has been debated many times, with no consensus reached.
I wonder if every single mage felt that way?
What about the ones who didn't want to revolt? Ooopps, too bad for them I guess . . .
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:14
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I dislike people who only see things as "black and white".Err... not color blind ones. Just the people who... ah you'll get what I mean!
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:15
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Anders could've though had blown up say lowtown instead of the chantery. Too add on Anders created the spark that showed that the problems with the Templars and Mages couldn't had been ignored or put aside anymore. Anders knew that killing innocent civilians was wrong, but it had to be done for the spark to work.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:17
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Well some things are black and white.Arppis wrote...
I dislike people who only see things as "black and white".Err... not color blind ones. Just the people who... ah you'll get what I mean!
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:17
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I never find anyone acting out of a reckless impulse with no plan in mind to be justified. I give more importance to material considerations than ethics and I see nothing in Anders that would qualify him to make such a decision.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:18
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Kijin wrote...
The Chantry wasn't the problem - the Grand Cleric Elthina did her best to minimize the tensions between the two groups. By blowing up the chantry, Anders killed the best defender the mages had - and he did so on purpose. Anders wanted to force the mages into rebellion.
Every mage should have had the right to choose which side they belonged to - but Anders chose for them.
If ONE person in this game deserved to die, it was Elthina. Everyone else that was bad had at least some mitigating factor. She was in full control of her senses and she refused to do anything about Meredith's crimes. She actually has the unmitigated gall to complain about the mages speaking out! I'm only sorry that she died quick and painless. She should've been mentally, physically, and sexually abused until she took her own life just like so many mages under her brutal knight-commander's reign.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:18
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He blew up the chantry because he blamed the chantry more than anyone. And the Grand Cleric.Foryou wrote...
Anders could've though had blown up say lowtown instead of the chantery. Too add on Anders created the spark that showed that the problems with the Templars and Mages couldn't had been ignored or put aside anymore. Anders knew that killing innocent civilians was wrong, but it had to be done for the spark to work.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:19
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I guess unless everyone absolutely hates Anders for ending a thousand years of slavery, their opinion doesn't matter.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:20
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No he wasn't I believe the grand cleric if blow came to blow would have halted both orsino and meredith.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:21
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He was unjustified. He had no quarrel with the chantry, just the knight-commander and the templars. Blow up Meredith's base if you must.
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Posté 02 avril 2011 - 06:22
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I never find anyone acting out of a reckless impulse with no plan in mind to be justified. I give more importance to material considerations than ethics and I see nothing in Anders that would qualify him to make such a decision.
All Anders wanted was to force people to take sides. In my opinion, job done. There were too many people sitting on their backsides and ignoring the abuses of the Templars.
