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[ddv.rsa]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

You know what would have been cooler? Templars on ships trying to land on the gallows, with mages bombarding them with spells from afar. Then we have a badass landing cutscene, with us (if pro-Templar) securing the landing zone first. Then we storm the gallows. 

That would've been epic. At least then the mages wouldv'e had a reason to be inspired even after they lost.

[stobie]

*One* mage at least should have put an inferno in the hall. They seem to do that when it kills *your* party. (reminder - don't take mages to the archdemon's battle in origins...) They just seem so helpless. I flatly refuse to play the templar side, so I just assumed it looked different from that angle. Does that mean you go in and slaughter those same people? Ugh.

[Lithuasil]

AshenEndemion wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

Am I the only one wondering why the order needs to "cross the lake" in the first place? Shouldn't they be stationed... you know AT THE CIRCLE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GUARD?

The templars don't need to cross the lake.  Meredith does.  She brings a number of her order out to follow Orsino, so if he resists, there is no question that he submits.

But when Meredith makes the Annulment announcement, it's not like every templar in the Gallows knows this.  And I was under the opinion that Orsino makes it back to the Gallows first, and I assume that the majority of the templars are told to "contain the situation within the Circle and await orders." The latter is what they did with Ferelden. It's not far-fetched that templars are trained to do that from day one.  Contain, then attack with full force.

If you have to break down the gates, and frontally assault the castle you are supposed to guard then somewhere, something went a little bit wrong, don't you think? 

[ddv.rsa]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
Well, he's an elf, those are sneaky buggers   

I don't get the whole "you've already been fighting us, but have a rest, we'll lay siege and butcher you after you've prepared yourself" dialogue either :|

That's Bioware's way of saying that Meredith has some honour. Before making her bat**** crazy a few minutes later.

She just reeks of incompetence when she said that.

Yeah, we're coming for you! Why don't you go get ready for us? 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lithuasil wrote...
If you have to break down the gates, and frontally assault the castle you are supposed to guard then somewhere, something went a little bit wrong, don't you think? 

Orsino: "Hey Templars. Nice weather isn't it? Why am I breathing heavily and am sweaty? Just jogging. Oh look a blood mage!"

Templars: "Where?!" *leave their posts*

Orsino and mages barricade themselves in.

Maybe Varric should have said that mages were inspired by Templar incompetence. Even if they crushed mages with ease.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 avril 2011 - 10:31 .

[The Angry One]

stobie wrote...

I guess I wasn't looking at the right body parts, then...   But either way, people in full armor with no faces showing seem more like robots, in contrast to these fragile creatures running around in bad dresses.   Seeing a concerted mage defense would have made them seem more threatening - as it is, they look like slaughtered sheep, and the templars seem like a hardened army.

I suppose that is the effect given, yes.
I would've preferred, say, a big ranged defense on the mage's part like these Templars rushing through the narrow passage to get blitzed by firestorms and lightning.
A group of mages casting spells non stop at the top of the stairs until some Templar hunters sneak behind and shank them, allowing the main soldiers to rush in and start killing.

[Lithuasil]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Orsino and mages barricade themselves in.

They don't actually. The gate is open with Meredith inside, when you arrive. She's just kind enough to leave. Then the mages barricade themselves, and look really surprised when attacked. Though to be fair, I was surprised too, that templars on foot could break those Iron bars down 

[The Angry One]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Orsino: "Hey Templars. Nice weather isn't it? Why am I breathing heavily and am sweaty? Just jogging. Oh look a blood mage!"

Templars: "Where?!" *leave their posts*

Orsino and mages barricade themselves in.

Maybe Varric should have said that mages were inspired by Templar incompetence. Even if they crushed mages with ease.

lol

Thing is, you'd think someone as ultra-paranoid as Meredith would've given an order to the standing guard like "If Orsino returns to the Gallows before I do, arrest him." before leaving.

[AshenEndymion]

Lithuasil wrote...

If you have to break down the gates, and frontally assault the castle you are supposed to guard then somewhere, something went a little bit wrong, don't you think? 

Well, yes.  But it seems that every Circle (ok, maybe not all of them, but the two we've seen) is designed to keep mages inside the Circle if the **** hits the fan...  It's not locking the doors and frontally assaulting the castle you are supposed to guard... it's locking the doors and ensuring that no mages escape the castle you are supposed to guard.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lithuasil wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Orsino and mages barricade themselves in.

They don't actually. The gate is open with Meredith inside, when you arrive. She's just kind enough to leave. Then the mages barricade themselves, and look really surprised when attacked. Though to be fair, I was surprised too, that templars on foot could break those Iron bars down 

Sigh.

Such a wasted opportunity in almost every way.

[stobie]

Or show some blood mages as we had in Origins, doing that horrible stun-everyone thing (which as I said before, wasn't all that fun after a bit...) Something to show the templars are scared, too. Faces leaps to mind. Show me a scared templar, & I'd change my mind. (I loved Thrask, poor thing) Show a gloating mage controlling someone, & sympathies would shift. (this is why I assumed there was another version)

They probably could take the idea that some mages feel superior, which leads to slavery, a bit farther. I'd happily side against any mage who enslaved others, after all. (I tried to ditch Morrigan when she suggested I abandon the city elves to the tevinter slaver-guy) In a way, rather than just 'they go crazy easily & wound people' angle, I wish they'd shown more genuinely bad mage stuff. Turning into a big swollen thing & promptly dying isn't all that threatening - Fenris's master, however, deserves the spiky hand through the heart treatment.

The templars needed more Thrasks, & even the twitchy Cullen, up front, and the mages needed more jerks. (Grace was a jerk - but her snarkiness couldn't compare to the outright loathing I established for Petrice.)

[Lithuasil]

AshenEndemion wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

If you have to break down the gates, and frontally assault the castle you are supposed to guard then somewhere, something went a little bit wrong, don't you think? 

Well, yes.  But it seems that every Circle (ok, maybe not all of them, but the two we've seen) is designed to keep mages inside the Circle if the **** hits the fan...  It's not locking the doors and frontally assaulting the castle you are supposed to guard... it's locking the doors and ensuring that no mages escape the castle you are supposed to guard.

So, once the right is called upon, the templars stationed inside the same building as the unsuspecting and surprised mages they're supposed to wipe out, leave the building and cross the lake, to then cross the lake again and lay siege on the building they just abandoned. Did they hire Qunari or who figured that plan out 

[KnightofPhoenix]

stobie wrote...
the mages needed more jerks.

What?
Almost all mages end up being crazed, hysterical, or outright idiots.

[Paeyne]

AlexXIV wrote...

Paeyne wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

There is not one scinilla of evidence in there that Anders did not act alone.  Even Meridith apparently thinks he did given that she doesn't challenge (or even care) when the first enchanter insists the circle had nothing to do with it.  You conspiracy theory has no game support and no lore support.  It didn't happen that way.  Merdith simply wants to kill all mages for being mages at this point.  Her actions and reactions make that brutally obvious.

-Polaris

I generally try to be open minded *snip*

Reading the rest of your post makes this part a blatant lie.

Since when do open minded persons condemn people because the could be guilty?

This is an extremely skewed reading of what I wrote.

No-where did I condemn anyone of anything.  In fact, I stated quite explicitly that we don't know either way.

If I were to kill someone, the absence of any proof that I committed the act does not make me any less a killer.

If you want to interpret what I said as a condemnation then your welcome to your opinion but that is not what I wrote.

Even our current legal system is based on guilty and not guilty.  There is a difference between being found not guilty of an act and being innocent of the act.

[AlexXIV]

Lithuasil wrote...

Am I the only one wondering why the order needs to "cross the lake" in the first place? Shouldn't they be stationed... you know AT THE CIRCLE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GUARD?

No but when they set over I thought ... wow, wooden boad, easy target for a fireball.

[stobie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

stobie wrote...
the mages needed more jerks.

What?
Almost all mages end up being crazed, hysterical, or outright idiots.

Well, to each his own, but not all the meanest mages together could be as annoying as Petrice. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

They should have shown bad things about both sides.

We should have seen templars cutting down young or scared mages down with glee, or perhaps even just execute mages who have downright surrended.

We should have also seen mages who use the chaos and anarchy as an excuse to unleash whatever sadistic powers they have. And templars who are struggling and getting torn apart by them.

[The Angry One]

stobie wrote...

The templars needed more Thrasks, & even the twitchy Cullen, up front, and the mages needed more jerks. (Grace was a jerk - but her snarkiness couldn't compare to the outright loathing I established for Petrice.)

Well for the Templars we have Thrask, Emeric, Cullen, Keran and his fellow recruits.
For the mages we have Bethany.

.. well, maybe Alain too. But he becomes a blood mage too in the end.

[KnightofPhoenix]

stobie wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

stobie wrote...
the mages needed more jerks.

What?
Almost all mages end up being crazed, hysterical, or outright idiots.

Well, to each his own, but not all the meanest mages together could be as annoying as Petrice. 

Not even Quentin?

I wanted to backhand slap Grace a lot though. Hysterical idiot.

[AshenEndymion]

Lizardviking wrote...

We should have seen templars cutting down young or scared mages down with glee, or perhaps even just execute mages who have downright surrended.

We do see the latter. The cinematic we see in Lowtown during the sequence. And the templars are rather apologetic about having to kill the mage, but because the Rite requires no exceptions, they follow through(or attempt to).

[Herr Uhl]

The Angry One wrote...

Well for the Templars we have Thrask, Emeric, Cullen, Keran and his fellow recruits.
For the mages we have Bethany.

.. well, maybe Alain too. But he becomes a blood mage too in the end.

Emile de Launcet wasn't that bad either, just pathetic.

[The Angry One]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Not even Quentin?

I wanted to backhand slap Grace a lot though. Hysterical idiot.

Grace's incessant whining got on my nerves.
Then Act 3 came along and after her quest I wanted to yank her hair out, toss a fireball in her eyes and boot her off that cliff.
Poor Thrask, tolerating this malcontent self-centered ***** all those years to end up getting one-shotted by one Fist of the Maker.

[ddv.rsa]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Not even Quentin?

I wanted to backhand slap Grace a lot though. Hysterical idiot.

Well, whatever else you do, you're still the monster who murders the love of her life for the templars. 

[sphinxess]

Lizardviking wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

The worst part of it were the fact that the mages were taken by suprise. Templars are apperantly quite sneaky, despite being clad in metal armor.

Templar Hunters FTW (how much I hate them when fighting them).

Why don't rogues have Templar spec? 

I hate them! They always try to kill poor Merrill.

But really, those templars did not really seem subtle, and yet they still manage to get the jump on the mages.

You would think that the mages would atleast pay attention to... You know... The front entrance where the giant templar army will attack from.

Don't forget this is a world where a great general sets up a plan to light a bonfire to tell him when to charge <and no backup if things go wrong>- the Romans would crush these guys

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lizardviking wrote...
We should have also seen mages who use the chaos and anarchy as an excuse to unleash whatever sadistic powers they have. And templars who are struggling and getting torn apart by them.

We saw a blood mage killing hisw wife for no reason. We saw the imbecile Grace killing her own allies because she misses her ********** husband too much (and probably hasn't had sex for a very long time).  We see crazy mages all over the place.

We needed some moderate mage we could identify with. Or two.