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[EmperorSahlertz]

A Mother of the Chantry is not at all close to the "paygrade" needed to call an annulment. If the Grand Cleric is dead, the obvious person authorized to call the Rite would be the second party of the decission making, the Knight-Commander.

Two persons are needed for an annulment to be carried out, the Grand Cleric and the Knight-Commander. One requests it, the other authorizes it. If one or the other dies, it would naturally just surviving one, who would make the call. (this is all based on the Knight-Commander being able to deny an annulment if a Grand Cleric tasks him with one).

[Rifneno]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Clearly you don't know a whole lot about power works either.  Let's say the president of the US is visiting a nuclear-armed military base, which is hit by an attack that kills him and disables all their outside communications.  The base commander then goes, "Those damned Russians!  Launch our nukes at the Kremlin!"  ...  Do you think that's how it works?  Because if so, I sure hope you never wind up a base commander anywhere.

That's a pretty bad analogy. It's not an equal situation. Firstly, there's no law in the US that allows anyone to exterminate a whole people if we think they're all irredeemable. It goes against our Constitution. Secondly...there is no secondly. That's just a bad analogy all over.

It would help if you'd read the post.  Then you might have seen it was a debate about the typical chain of command in emergency and nothing else.

[Mnemnosyne]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Koyasha wrote...

The First Enchanter a blood mage that turns himself into a fleshy monstrosity,

Are we to infer that Quentin or Orsino got their hands on the information that the Warden obtained from the lost thaig of Amgarrak about the Harvesters?

I've never really thought there's a connection.  They used the same model, but there's no implication that the creature that Orsino turns himself into is actually a Harvester as in Golems of Amgarrak.  I've always simply assumed it's a case of having a reasonably appropriate model handy and using it instead of going to the effort of building an entirely new model.  It was a bad idea because it causes exactly this sort of confusion, but it's not uncommon to see this sort of thing happen in many games.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Rifneno wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Polaris, you don't really know a lot about power and how it works do you? If I have to ask for emergency rights(clearance/allowance/whatever) from one specific person, and that specific person just happens to die during the emergency, I can take that power myself. I would probably have to answer for my actions on a later date, but just because the person I need to ask permission from is dead, does not make the emergency disappear.

Meredith did what any authority would have done. She took a decission based on the circumstances. This decission may not have been what the Chantry would have wanted, and if we didn't end up killing her, she would probably have to answer to the next Grand Cleric or even the Divine herself (or just go totally bat**** insane).
What else was Meredith to do? She was of the opinion that the Circle was corrupted beyond redemption. A very dire situation. And the one person she needs permission from, recently ceased to exist. Should she just sit on her hands and wait for it all to blow over? No. Wether or not you agree with her actions is completely irrelevant, she is well within her power to do as she did.

Clearly you don't know a whole lot about power works either.  Let's say the president of the US is visiting a nuclear-armed military base, which is hit by an attack that kills him and disables all their outside communications.  The base commander then goes, "Those damned Russians!  Launch our nukes at the Kremlin!"  ...  Do you think that's how it works?  Because if so, I sure hope you never wind up a base commander anywhere.

That comparisons fails in this case, as that decission is one person, and one person alone. No other than the president is ever allowed to make that decission (on paper anyway). If it was a call between a President and a co-President, then naturally if the co-President died it would fall to the president to respond to the threat alone. There simply wouldn't be time to wait for a new election (which is also why there is something called a vice-president).

[IanPolaris]

Darth Krytie wrote...

There is a brick wall where your head should be.

The DA:O situation and the DA:2 situation were clearly DIFFERENT. One has a living Grand Cleric and a Chantry which was not all rubble and one has a Chantry that is currently scattered all over Kirkwall with a dead Grand Cleric beside. You can say there must be living members of the chantry left alive in Kirkwall, but you'd probably have to unearth them first. When it comes to the Rite, there must be emergency powers to declare it or the mages could just assassignate the Grand Cleric and run amok until the messengers got back from god knows where to deal with it.

Wrong.  KC Gregoire was facing a dangerous situation and Denerim was at least a week away in a country ravaged by both blight and civil war.  For all he knew, the grand cleric may well have been underneath a pile of smoking rubble.  He was less in contact with the Chatry than Meridith was even after Anders blew up the Kirkwall chantry, but Gregoire STILL waited for word.

Of the two, Gregoire under most sane check-and-balances systems was far more justified in taking unilateral action on his own authority than Meredith.  Gregoire was cut off from all other authority.  Meridith was not.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A Mother of the Chantry is not at all close to the "paygrade" needed to call an annulment. If the Grand Cleric is dead, the obvious person authorized to call the Rite would be the second party of the decission making, the Knight-Commander.

Two persons are needed for an annulment to be carried out, the Grand Cleric and the Knight-Commander. One requests it, the other authorizes it. If one or the other dies, it would naturally just surviving one, who would make the call. (this is all based on the Knight-Commander being able to deny an annulment if a Grand Cleric tasks him with one).

Until DG changed the lore, the Knight Commander is NOT in the Chantry's chain of command.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A Mother of the Chantry is not at all close to the "paygrade" needed to call an annulment. If the Grand Cleric is dead, the obvious person authorized to call the Rite would be the second party of the decission making, the Knight-Commander.

Two persons are needed for an annulment to be carried out, the Grand Cleric and the Knight-Commander. One requests it, the other authorizes it. If one or the other dies, it would naturally just surviving one, who would make the call. (this is all based on the Knight-Commander being able to deny an annulment if a Grand Cleric tasks him with one).

So on a nuclear sub (and the comparison is apt given the extreme nature of the Rite of Annulment), if the XO dies, the captain has sole authority over the sub's nukes?

NOT IN YOUR LIFE.

The confirming command code authority falls down to the NEXT officer in the chain of command (usually the Navigator or Chief Engineer).

Same, same.

-Polaris

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

The subject of creativity with regards to Tranquil is an interesting one. There are all sorts of assumptions that people-- such as Templars-- make about Tranquil that are very likely quite off base. A Tranquil would no doubt be happy to explain the difference, if anyone cared to ask them. Few do.

Tranquil can be creative-- insofar as a very logical scientist might be. They pursue a means to an end, and are capable of coming up with alternate solutions to problems. They are, however, methodical to a fault. They will pursue the most reasonable solution at hand until it proves inviable. They will not change their methods or seek to create something different unless there is a clear reason to. They are not taken by inspiration, and some might say what they lack is intuition or the ability to act on hunches. The fact that they do not get bored and take no pleasure out creating (other than a certain satisfaction that comes from a task well-performed) takes much of the impetus away for them to change what they do. Some would mistake this for a lack of free will. Perhaps some day they will be surprised to learn how very wrong they are.

Does anyone else find it interesting how this mirrors what the Chantry says about the Maker's first children?

They were spirits unable to create but could only copy what they'd seen. You could say they lacked inspiration just like the Tranquil do.

Yes. I do.

I didn't until you mentioned it, though. I'm always really twitchy about things like this. I think "OMZ was that intended by the writers?!" But then I think "Naw, we're totally just retrofitting it." But then I'm all "But isn't that selling the writers a little short?"

AND I NEVER KNOW WHAT TO THINK.

[Darth Krytie]

IanPolaris wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

There is a brick wall where your head should be.

The DA:O situation and the DA:2 situation were clearly DIFFERENT. One has a living Grand Cleric and a Chantry which was not all rubble and one has a Chantry that is currently scattered all over Kirkwall with a dead Grand Cleric beside. You can say there must be living members of the chantry left alive in Kirkwall, but you'd probably have to unearth them first. When it comes to the Rite, there must be emergency powers to declare it or the mages could just assassignate the Grand Cleric and run amok until the messengers got back from god knows where to deal with it.

Wrong.  KC Gregoire was facing a dangerous situation and Denerim was at least a week away in a country ravaged by both blight and civil war.  For all he knew, the grand cleric may well have been underneath a pile of smoking rubble.  He was less in contact with the Chatry than Meridith was even after Anders blew up the Kirkwall chantry, but Gregoire STILL waited for word.

Of the two, Gregoire under most sane check-and-balances systems was far more justified in taking unilateral action on his own authority than Meredith.  Gregoire was cut off from all other authority.  Meridith was not.

-Polaris

But KC Gregoire didn't have any reason to believe the Grand Cleric or the Chantry wasn't available to him. He had no reason to assume that he couldn't avail himself of the primary proper protocol.

In Meredith's case, there's no doubt that the Chantry is gone and there's no doubt that Grand Cleric is dead. There is no doubt. The chain of command falls to her. The only way you would be able to legit call out Gaider on changing lore would be if the Denerim Grand Cleric was, in fact, dead and the Chantry destroyed and then KC Gregoire waited for word from Orlais to act. That's the only way you could know in Origins what the protocol actually is. Since that didn't happen, all you're doing is making blanket conjecture on vague and incomplete information.

[Sad Dragon]

Darth Krytie wrote...

The DA:O situation and the DA:2 situation were clearly DIFFERENT. One has a living Grand Cleric and a Chantry which was not all rubble and one has a Chantry that is currently scattered all over Kirkwall with a dead Grand Cleric beside. You can say there must be living members of the chantry left alive in Kirkwall, but you'd probably have to unearth them first. When it comes to the Rite, there must be emergency powers to declare it or the mages could just assassignate the Grand Cleric and run amok until the messengers got back from god knows where to deal with it.

It would take minimum 3 days (probably longer) to get from the Cirlce Tower to Denerim and Back on horse. And that tower was LOST. It wouldn't be a stretch for Meredith to wait to see if anyone is still alive.

- TSD

[IanPolaris]

Darth Kylie,

Until DG said so, there was *zero* support for KC Meridith being in any clerica chain of command and a lot of evidence against it. The whole point of the system was that TWO people had to ask/approve of something as dire as a RIte of Annulment, and that's why (among other reasons), I'm calling this a very blatent authorial ass-pull. It's official and DG has the right to change the lore. No question. But make no mistake. He has done so whether some want to admit this or not.

-Polaris

[EmperorSahlertz]

IanPolaris wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A Mother of the Chantry is not at all close to the "paygrade" needed to call an annulment. If the Grand Cleric is dead, the obvious person authorized to call the Rite would be the second party of the decission making, the Knight-Commander.

Two persons are needed for an annulment to be carried out, the Grand Cleric and the Knight-Commander. One requests it, the other authorizes it. If one or the other dies, it would naturally just surviving one, who would make the call. (this is all based on the Knight-Commander being able to deny an annulment if a Grand Cleric tasks him with one).

So on a nuclear sub (and the comparison is apt given the extreme nature of the Rite of Annulment), if the XO dies, the captain has sole authority over the sub's nukes?

NOT IN YOUR LIFE.

The confirming command code authority falls down to the NEXT officer in the chain of command (usually the Navigator or Chief Engineer).

Same, same.

-Polaris

Uhm on such a sub not even the XO has the authority to launch those nukes on a whim. BUT if the XO were to die, and while he was dead the sub would recieve the order to launch nukes, then yes, it would fall to the second-in-command.

[Darth Krytie]

Sad Dragon wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

The DA:O situation and the DA:2 situation were clearly DIFFERENT. One has a living Grand Cleric and a Chantry which was not all rubble and one has a Chantry that is currently scattered all over Kirkwall with a dead Grand Cleric beside. You can say there must be living members of the chantry left alive in Kirkwall, but you'd probably have to unearth them first. When it comes to the Rite, there must be emergency powers to declare it or the mages could just assassignate the Grand Cleric and run amok until the messengers got back from god knows where to deal with it.

It would take minimum 3 days (probably longer) to get from the Cirlce Tower to Denerim and Back on horse. And that tower was LOST. It wouldn't be a stretch for Meredith to wait to see if anyone is still alive.

- TSD

Not debating whether Meredith was wrong in her decision. Just saying she has the legal right. And, honestly, we shouldn't even be discussing what Meredith should do or could have done. It really should be "the current Knight-Commander" has the legal right to do "x" in "z situation" and remove the unjust action she took out of the equation as it colours how people view it.

Modifié par Darth Krytie, 04 avril 2011 - 08:28 .

[Mnemnosyne]

IanPolaris wrote...

Wrong.  KC Gregoire was facing a dangerous situation and Denerim was at least a week away in a country ravaged by both blight and civil war.  For all he knew, the grand cleric may well have been underneath a pile of smoking rubble.  He was less in contact with the Chatry than Meridith was even after Anders blew up the Kirkwall chantry, but Gregoire STILL waited for word.

Of the two, Gregoire under most sane check-and-balances systems was far more justified in taking unilateral action on his own authority than Meredith.  Gregoire was cut off from all other authority.  Meridith was not.

-Polaris

As I noted earlier, it really doesn't seem to me as though Greagoir waited.  Indeed, he sends in the Warden with the specific task of killing everyone in the tower.  The primary reason it seems he didn't do this himself was because he felt the forces he had at his disposal were insufficient to the task.

Granted, this is debatable, but why else would he allow the Warden to go in and basically say to kill everyone, if he's not essentially invoking the Rite himself?  His job is to protect the mages as much as it is to contain them, and if he believed he shouldn't be killing them all without authorization, then it would be up to him to prohibit anyone from going in there for any reason.

[hoorayforicecream]

Sad Dragon wrote...

It would take minimum 3 days (probably longer) to get from the Cirlce Tower to Denerim and Back on horse. And that tower was LOST. It wouldn't be a stretch for Meredith to wait to see if anyone is still alive.

- TSD

And if Meredith was as reasonable as Greagoire, she probably would have. But by then she was already a couple of rainbows short of her lucky charms, and she made what she thought was a reasonable assumption - that everyone in the chantry was dead, including the grand cleric. Cullen, Hawke, or Orsino could have said "the grand cleric might still be alive", but nobody considered that option (probably because they were all thinking the same thing).

[IanPolaris]

Sad Dragon wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

The DA:O situation and the DA:2 situation were clearly DIFFERENT. One has a living Grand Cleric and a Chantry which was not all rubble and one has a Chantry that is currently scattered all over Kirkwall with a dead Grand Cleric beside. You can say there must be living members of the chantry left alive in Kirkwall, but you'd probably have to unearth them first. When it comes to the Rite, there must be emergency powers to declare it or the mages could just assassignate the Grand Cleric and run amok until the messengers got back from god knows where to deal with it.

It would take minimum 3 days (probably longer) to get from the Cirlce Tower to Denerim and Back on horse. And that tower was LOST. It wouldn't be a stretch for Meredith to wait to see if anyone is still alive.

- TSD

Not only that but Kirkwall is a pretty big city.  There would almost certainly be Reverend Mothers for various parts of the city (such as the Alienage for one) that would be Elthina's DIRECT subordinates and thus in her chain of command making the title of ACTING Grand Cleric fall to one of them.  Meridith doesn't even bother to check if there is an Acting Grand Cleric (and there almost certainly would have been given that not all  or even most of the Reverand Mothers would have actually been in the Chantry).

-Polaris

[Rifneno]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Uhm on such a sub not even the XO has the authority to launch those nukes on a whim. BUT if the XO were to die, and while he was dead the sub would recieve the order to launch nukes, then yes, it would fall to the second-in-command.

That would be much more believable if you knew that the XO is the second-in-command.

[AlexXIV]

Darth Krytie wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

There is a brick wall where your head should be.

The DA:O situation and the DA:2 situation were clearly DIFFERENT. One has a living Grand Cleric and a Chantry which was not all rubble and one has a Chantry that is currently scattered all over Kirkwall with a dead Grand Cleric beside. You can say there must be living members of the chantry left alive in Kirkwall, but you'd probably have to unearth them first. When it comes to the Rite, there must be emergency powers to declare it or the mages could just assassignate the Grand Cleric and run amok until the messengers got back from god knows where to deal with it.

Wrong.  KC Gregoire was facing a dangerous situation and Denerim was at least a week away in a country ravaged by both blight and civil war.  For all he knew, the grand cleric may well have been underneath a pile of smoking rubble.  He was less in contact with the Chatry than Meridith was even after Anders blew up the Kirkwall chantry, but Gregoire STILL waited for word.

Of the two, Gregoire under most sane check-and-balances systems was far more justified in taking unilateral action on his own authority than Meredith.  Gregoire was cut off from all other authority.  Meridith was not.

-Polaris

But KC Gregoire didn't have any reason to believe the Grand Cleric or the Chantry wasn't available to him. He had no reason to assume that he couldn't avail himself of the primary proper protocol.

In Meredith's case, there's no doubt that the Chantry is gone and there's no doubt that Grand Cleric is dead. There is no doubt. The chain of command falls to her. The only way you would be able to legit call out Gaider on changing lore would be if the Denerim Grand Cleric was, in fact, dead and the Chantry destroyed and then KC Gregoire waited for word from Orlais to act. That's the only way you could know in Origins what the protocol actually is. Since that didn't happen, all you're doing is making blanket conjecture on vague and incomplete information.

The chain of command thing is understandable. The Grand Cleric was dead, Meredith in charge. I would even bet money that this was Anders reasoning to kill the Grand Cleric because she was probably the only one who kept Meredith from annulling the Circle earlier. Or at least killing Orsino earlier.

Anyway, to invoke the Right of Annullment a Circle must be declared beyond redemption or beyond hope or something. But taking Anders' crime as an excuse to call the Circle hopeless? I don't see a base for that. Especially since Orsino offers that every mage can be taken and the whole Circle searched without resistance.

I mean he sees that Meredith has no reason to call the Right, and he is careful enough to not give her one, in contrary. And she still goes through with it. And Cullen follows. That's the point I have to say, ok in that case my Hawke will support the mages. Because what the templars do is wrong. Not in general maybe, but here and now.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 04 avril 2011 - 08:33 .

[IanPolaris]

Koyasha wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Wrong.  KC Gregoire was facing a dangerous situation and Denerim was at least a week away in a country ravaged by both blight and civil war.  For all he knew, the grand cleric may well have been underneath a pile of smoking rubble.  He was less in contact with the Chatry than Meridith was even after Anders blew up the Kirkwall chantry, but Gregoire STILL waited for word.

Of the two, Gregoire under most sane check-and-balances systems was far more justified in taking unilateral action on his own authority than Meredith.  Gregoire was cut off from all other authority.  Meridith was not.

-Polaris

As I noted earlier, it really doesn't seem to me as though Greagoir waited.  Indeed, he sends in the Warden with the specific task of killing everyone in the tower.  The primary reason it seems he didn't do this himself was because he felt the forces he had at his disposal were insufficient to the task.

Granted, this is debatable, but why else would he allow the Warden to go in and basically say to kill everyone, if he's not essentially invoking the Rite himself?  His job is to protect the mages as much as it is to contain them, and if he believed he shouldn't be killing them all without authorization, then it would be up to him to prohibit anyone from going in there for any reason.

Gregoire deputizes the warden to act on behalf of the Templars but is quite clear that he needs authorization from Denerim to actually impose the Rite.  Wynne agrees with this as well when you talk with her.  Gregoire is taking advantage (and IMHO very reasonably so) of the Extra-Legal aspects of the Grey Warden to solve a dire problem while bypassing a problem of command authority.  At least that's how I've always seen it no matter how you resolve it.

In fact Gregoire tasks you with savingt the First Enchanter if you can (otherwise he will declare the tower lost) and won't open the doors until authoization (and reinforcements) arrive.

-Polais

[IanPolaris]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A Mother of the Chantry is not at all close to the "paygrade" needed to call an annulment. If the Grand Cleric is dead, the obvious person authorized to call the Rite would be the second party of the decission making, the Knight-Commander.

Two persons are needed for an annulment to be carried out, the Grand Cleric and the Knight-Commander. One requests it, the other authorizes it. If one or the other dies, it would naturally just surviving one, who would make the call. (this is all based on the Knight-Commander being able to deny an annulment if a Grand Cleric tasks him with one).

So on a nuclear sub (and the comparison is apt given the extreme nature of the Rite of Annulment), if the XO dies, the captain has sole authority over the sub's nukes?

NOT IN YOUR LIFE.

The confirming command code authority falls down to the NEXT officer in the chain of command (usually the Navigator or Chief Engineer).

Same, same.

-Polaris

Uhm on such a sub not even the XO has the authority to launch those nukes on a whim. BUT if the XO were to die, and while he was dead the sub would recieve the order to launch nukes, then yes, it would fall to the second-in-command.

A nuclear weapon can only be fired (even after overall command codes are cleared) by TWO officers.  Until DG changed it, the same seemed to apply to the Rite of Annulment and reasonable so.  Hence my accusation of an authorial ass-pull.

-Polaris

[Darth Krytie]

AlexXIV wrote...

The chain of command thing is understandable. The Grand Cleric was dead, Meredith in charge. I would even bet money that this was Anders reasoning to kill the Grand Cleric because she was probably the only one who kept Meredith from annulling the Circle earlier. Or at least killing Orsino earlier.

Anyway, to invoke the Right of Annullment a Circle must be declared beyond redemption or beyond hope or something. But taking Anders' crime as an excuse to call the Circle hopeless? I don't see a base for that. Especially since Orsino offers that every mage can be taken and the whole Circle searched without resistance.

I mean he sees that Meredith has no reason to call the Right, and he is careful enough to not give her one, in contrary. And she still goes through with it. And Cullen follows. That's the point I have to say, ok in that case my Hawke will support the mages. Because what the templars do is wrong. Not in general maybe, but here and now.

You're conflating Meredith's legal ability to make the judgement with her judgement being sound. To state a Circle is lost is a subjective opinion. She does declare it lost and beyond redemption. She has the legal right--IN THIS SITUATION--to make that decision. It doesn't make her declaration "right" or "reasonable". Her decision is clearly wrong and her desire to kill the mages clearly unjust.

[AlexXIV]

IanPolaris wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A Mother of the Chantry is not at all close to the "paygrade" needed to call an annulment. If the Grand Cleric is dead, the obvious person authorized to call the Rite would be the second party of the decission making, the Knight-Commander.

Two persons are needed for an annulment to be carried out, the Grand Cleric and the Knight-Commander. One requests it, the other authorizes it. If one or the other dies, it would naturally just surviving one, who would make the call. (this is all based on the Knight-Commander being able to deny an annulment if a Grand Cleric tasks him with one).

So on a nuclear sub (and the comparison is apt given the extreme nature of the Rite of Annulment), if the XO dies, the captain has sole authority over the sub's nukes?

NOT IN YOUR LIFE.

The confirming command code authority falls down to the NEXT officer in the chain of command (usually the Navigator or Chief Engineer).

Same, same.

-Polaris

Uhm on such a sub not even the XO has the authority to launch those nukes on a whim. BUT if the XO were to die, and while he was dead the sub would recieve the order to launch nukes, then yes, it would fall to the second-in-command.

A nuclear weapon can only be fired (even after overall command codes are cleared) by TWO officers.  Until DG changed it, the same seemed to apply to the Rite of Annulment and reasonable so.  Hence my accusation of an authorial ass-pull.

-Polaris

Well if you are in a sub with nuclear weapons and under order to use them and your XO dies, you still have to do it. You take his key or whatever and do it I guess. Or ask the next highest ranking officer to do it in the place of your XO. Which would probably be in case of the templars, Cullen.

[sphinxess]

Darth Krytie wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Camenae wrote...

You are free to think that Meredith calling the Rite was wrong. I don't understand why it's necessary to say that it is against protocol? Especially since we have confirmation that, like it or not, it's not against protocol?

Just like in real life you are free to disagree with a law, but you can't say "it's not the law" because until the lawmakers change it, it is the law.

Because it's blatently inconsist with what we were told the protocol was merely 7 years prior during the blight in Fereldan by another Knight Commander.

-Polaris

There is a brick wall where your head should be.

The DA:O situation and the DA:2 situation were clearly DIFFERENT. One has a living Grand Cleric and a Chantry which was not all rubble and one has a Chantry that is currently scattered all over Kirkwall with a dead Grand Cleric beside. You can say there must be living members of the chantry left alive in Kirkwall, but you'd probably have to unearth them first. When it comes to the Rite, there must be emergency powers to declare it or the mages could just assassignate the Grand Cleric and run amok until the messengers got back from god knows where to deal with it.

In DA:O why didn't he just summon the nearest Templar detachments instead of sending all the way to Denerim for more templars and the Rite of Annulment?

[Darth Krytie]

sphinxess wrote...



In DA:O why didn't he just summon the nearest Templar detachments instead of sending all the way to Denerim for more templars and the Rite of Annulment?

Because the Grand Cleric was in Denerim where she was alive and well with the beautifully un-exploded Chantry.

Modifié par Darth Krytie, 04 avril 2011 - 08:40 .

[IanPolaris]

[quote]AlexXIV wrote...

A nuclear weapon can only be fired (even after overall command codes are cleared) by TWO officers.  Until DG changed it, the same seemed to apply to the Rite of Annulment and reasonable so.  Hence my accusation of an authorial ass-pull.

-Polaris[/quote]
Well if you are in a sub with nuclear weapons and under order to use them and your XO dies, you still have to do it. You take his key or whatever and do it I guess. Or ask the next highest ranking officer to do it in the place of your XO. Which would probably be in case of the templars, Cullen.[/quote]

You can't do it solo.  The entire system is designed to prevent any ONE person from having final authority to lauch a nuke.  It's physically impossible to turn both keys simultaneously.

What proper procedure is is to pass the codes down to the NEXT officer inthe chain of command.  Until DG's post just a day ago or so, that seemed to be the case with the Rite of Anullment.  The Templars requested (one key) and the Clergy approved (Grand-Cleric...the other key).

Yes, it is now official that Meridith actions were technically legal. Why?  Because DG said so.  Really that's the only reason we can say it.  That's enough, but it is an authorial ass-pull and I'll call it for what it is.

-Polaris