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[Darth Krytie]

CaimDark wrote...

Anders is a selfish bastard that should burn in hell, or even better, spend the rest of eternity alone in a cell being "taken care of" by a bunch of Sir Alrik's clones WITHOUT the mercy of tranquility. He did not do it for the cause of mages, he did it for himself. If he cared half as much about the plight of mages as he constantly claims he would never even presume to have the right to decide how they should live and how they should die. Isn't that kinda what his hated templars do?

The fact that you suggest that rape should ever be used as a punishment (or for anything at all) is highly disturbing.

[Rifneno]

CaimDark wrote...

Anders is a selfish bastard that should burn in hell, or even better, spend the rest of eternity alone in a cell being "taken care of" by a bunch of Sir Alrik's clones WITHOUT the mercy of tranquility. He did not do it for the cause of mages, he did it for himself. If he cared half as much about the plight of mages as he constantly claims he would never even presume to have the right to decide how they should live and how they should die. Isn't that kinda what his hated templars do?

Given that he fully expects to die for it, I can't quite figure out how he's doing it to benefit himself.  Unless the constant and ridiculous 9/11 comparisons have actually gotten to the point where we're assuming Anders thinks he's getting a bunch of virgins in the afterlife.  But more importantly, here's a question for you.  We know Kirkwall's sick history.  Centuries of slaves being tortured and sacrificed en masse that ended in a slave rebellion winning their freedom.  Let's say that instead of it taking centuries, someone triggered a rebellion after only 20 years by killing a bunch of Tevinters.  Is that person, who saved countless innocent people from brutal tyranny over hundreds of years, an evil monster?

And yes, the mage rebellion was going to happen sooner or later.  You're kidding yourself if you think that the Chantry's tyranny was going to end any other way.  I feel bad for the well meaning and innocent people in the Chantry (which specifically does not include Elthina), but I don't have any sympathy for mages that are so cowardly they'll bow before their rapist templar jailors and give up such basic essential freedoms as the right to marry and have a family.  They're already worried about their own worthless skin enough that they don't need me to give it any heed.

[Mnemnosyne]

Rifneno wrote...

tiernanls wrote...

and as far as what really constitutes a demon its really as simple as the game designers there as well.  when youre attacking a desire demon it doesnt say "desire".  its says "desire DEMON" so on and so forth for all of them.  this is consistent throughout the games.  just like how when youre in the mage origin and you encounter a spirit of valor it doesnt say "valor demon" or even "valor spirit".  it just says "valor".  same with justice in the fade in awakenings.  so you can go round and round with this argument all you want.  any logical person would just go with what the game designers and writers are obvioulsy telling us. 

Very well put.  I'm surprised how many people are buying the whole "demons and spirits aren't any different" thing because Merrill says so.  They're galaxies apart.

It's not because Merrill says so.  This was established back in DA:O when the nature of fade spirits and demons was discussed in several entries.  Furthermore, even the Chantry agrees that demons and spirits are exactly the same thing, as one of their own stories establishes that they are all the Maker's first children.  The codex entries 'The Maker's First Children', 'The Fade', 'Demonic Possession' and 'Beyond the Veil: Spirits and Demons' all support the established fact that demons and spirits are exactly the same creature, which has chosen to focus on different aspects of the psyche.  Conversely, there isn't a single codex entry from any academic source in Thedas that argues that demons and spirits are not the same entities.

tiernanls wrote...

the info im using is actual game description.  it has nothing to do with the lore.

This is the key part of your statement here.  Yes, it has nothing to do with the lore.  It's a fluff description for an ability, not part of the actual lore of the game.  It is no more absolute than any other source in the game, and less reliable than pretty much any in-game source.  We don't have absolute data because they specifically avoid giving it.

tiernanls wrote...

after that the whole "inherently evil" argument is just silly imo
when it comes to demons.  once you accept the games defnition of what
demons are, you can pretty much see that they are all the "bad" or
"evil" emotions.  pride, desire, rage, sloth, etc, etc. 

bottom
line is blood magic= bad.  you just sound liek a walking talking real
life iteration of jowan.  without exception every person who uses blood
magic in the dragon age world ends up causing somethign bad out of
selfishness with the one and ONLY exception of the player themselves. 
and really... we all just know thats because the game for some insane
reason doesnt recognize youre even using blood magic in any of the
titles. 

Except those emotions aren't evil.  Every living thing has them, and without them we would be unable to function.  If you have no desire, you never take action, for good or ill, because you desire nothing.  If you have no pride you have no confidence in yourself and believe you cannot succeed.  Rage, as troublesome as it can be, is also vital - without it we cannot be angry at the things which should infuriate us, we can't grow upset, when it is appropriate.  Like all facets of a person's psyche, they are necessary in moderation, but without any one of them we wouldn't be the people we are, and we would not be better for it.

As for everyone who uses blood magic causing something bad, Merrill doesn't.  And everything bad that Jowan causes is not the direct result of his blood magic - it is the result of poisoning the Arl, which anyone can do.  And while Avernus does cause a disaster with it, he also spends more than a lifetime alone, containing and trying to fix the effects of this.  For himself?  Absolutely not - it would have been far better for him personally to just die and let the demons loose, but instead he spends over a century completely alone, selflessly containing the demons that he unleashed and working to banish them, all to prevent unleashing them on the world.

The fact that most people who use it do so negatively is hardly surprising, given the negative connotations that society and the Chantry have placed on blood magic.  To be willing to take it up, most people already have to be able to ignore everything their society says is evil.  This causes a self-selecting bias.  Most blood mages are evil because only those who can ignore their society's restrictions and taboos take up blood magic, not because blood magic causes evil.  If blood magic were to be treated in a dispassionate and scientific sense, plenty of entirely good mages would use it.

[Darth Krytie]

Koyasha wrote...

It's not because Merrill says so.  This was established back in DA:O when the nature of fade spirits and demons was discussed in several entries.  Furthermore, even the Chantry agrees that demons and spirits are exactly the same thing, as one of their own stories establishes that they are all the Maker's first children.  The codex entries 'The Maker's First Children', 'The Fade', 'Demonic Possession' and 'Beyond the Veil: Spirits and Demons' all support the established fact that demons and spirits are exactly the same creature, which has chosen to focus on different aspects of the psyche.  Conversely, there isn't a single codex entry from any academic source in Thedas that argues that demons and spirits are not the same entities.

How is quoting something that is quite possibly religious rhetoric an indisputible defense?

[Cutlass Jack]

Anders himself jokes that Spirits and Demons don't really seem all that different when talking with Justice in Awakening.

[Rifneno]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Anders himself jokes that Spirits and Demons don't really seem all that different when talking with Justice in Awakening.

No he doesn't.

[Cutlass Jack]

Rifneno wrote...

No he doesn't.

He did in my game. Justice of course took great offense. One of the walkaround chats.

[Sad Dragon]

Rifneno wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Anders himself jokes that Spirits and Demons don't really seem all that different when talking with Justice in Awakening.

No he doesn't.

Anders: Why do spirits seek out mages? I've always wondered.
Justice: You speak of demons. I am not a demon.
Anders: Aren't demons simply spirits with unique and sparkling personalities?
Justice: They have been perverted by their desires.
Anders: But what do they want from mages?
Justice: Perhaps they wish the same as I: silence.

Think Cutlass was refering to this.

Edit: Could be this one too:

Anders: Are you saying that you could become a demon, Justice?

Justice: I said no such thing.

Anders: You said that demons were spirits perverted by their desires.

Justice: I have no such desires.

Anders: You must have some desires...

Justice: I have none! Desist your questions!

- TSD

Modifié par Sad Dragon, 08 avril 2011 - 07:13 .

[CaimDark]

Rifneno wrote...

Given that he fully expects to die for it, I can't quite figure out how he's doing it to benefit himself.  Unless the constant and ridiculous 9/11 comparisons have actually gotten to the point where we're assuming Anders thinks he's getting a bunch of virgins in the afterlife.  But more importantly, here's a question for you.  We know Kirkwall's sick history.  Centuries of slaves being tortured and sacrificed en masse that ended in a slave rebellion winning their freedom.  Let's say that instead of it taking centuries, someone triggered a rebellion after only 20 years by killing a bunch of Tevinters.  Is that person, who saved countless innocent people from brutal tyranny over hundreds of years, an evil monster?

And yes, the mage rebellion was going to happen sooner or later.  You're kidding yourself if you think that the Chantry's tyranny was going to end any other way.  I feel bad for the well meaning and innocent people in the Chantry (which specifically does not include Elthina), but I don't have any sympathy for mages that are so cowardly they'll bow before their rapist templar jailors and give up such basic essential freedoms as the right to marry and have a family.  They're already worried about their own worthless skin enough that they don't need me to give it any heed.

He is quite literally consumed with vengeance, so it's rather obvious what he gets out of it, and being willing to die doesn't change anything. As for your analogy, I fail to see the similarities between the two.

We also don't know if the mage rebellion was inevitable. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Meredith was so far gone that even some of her own templars started to actively work to topple her. Maybe Meredith would be removed from the picture and the next commander would be more accommodating. Maybe he would be even worse. Maybe Meredith would remain in power and continue to squeeze mages so hard until they inevitably rebelled. Maybe someone would find out about the idol and free her from its corruption, which in turn might lead her to see the error of her ways and try to find a peaceful compromise with the mages. Maybe... there are a lot of maybes.

As for your lack of respect for cowardly mages who bow to the chantry, that is your right. Forcing them to change the way they live because you disapprove isn't. The moment Anders did that he revealed himself to be no better than the most abusive of templars.

[Rifneno]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

No he doesn't.

He did in my game. Justice of course took great offense. One of the walkaround chats.

I know the conversation you're talking about.  It took me a minute to figure out that you were just taking that grossly out of context.

Anders: Why do spirits seek out mages? I've always wondered.
Justice: You speak of demons. I am not a demon.
Anders: Aren't demons simply spirits with unique and sparkling personalities?
Justice: They have been perverted by their desires.
Anders: But what do they want from mages?
Justice: Perhaps they wish the same as I: silence.

He didn't say they're the same thing, it's likely he just meant that they're both fade creatures that embody a virtue.  In fact he later clarifies:

Anders: I apologize, Justice. I didn't mean to suggest you would become a demon.
Justice: I should certainly hope not.
Anders: I just wondered what relation there is between spirits and demons. Demons are a worry to any mage.
Justice: I do not know what makes demons as they are. Such evil angers me, but I do not understand it.
Anders: Well, I hope you never come to understand.
Justice: I as well, mage. More than you could possibly know.

Also keep in mind we're talking about a guy who has conversations like this:

Nathaniel: You don't always wear robes, do you?
Anders: Not when I'm naked I don't.
Nathaniel: I mean when you run from the Circle. Robes would make you easy to spot.
Anders: So does the "I'm a mage!" sign around my neck. I like to make it easy for the templars.
Nathaniel: Ah, so that's how it's going to be.

Nathaniel: How do the templars always find you, Anders?
Anders: Incredibly angry, that's how they find me.
Nathaniel: There must be some trick to it, surely.
Anders: They began recruiting women. The male templars never stopped to ask for directions.
Nathaniel: You're impossible to talk to.
Anders: I do my best!

Anders pretty much trolls the other group members for giggles.  Taking that one remark about spirits and demons and putting it into a discussion about whether they're the same thing is just absurd.

[Sad Dragon]

Rifneno wrote...

Anders pretty much trolls the other group members for giggles.  Taking that one remark about spirits and demons and putting it into a discussion about whether they're the same thing is just absurd.

Lets look at Justice's replies instead:

Anders: Aren't demons simply spirits with unique and sparkling personalities?
Justice: They have been perverted by their desires.

Anders: You said that demons were spirits perverted by their desires.
Justice: I have no such desires.
Anders: You must have some desires...
Justice: I have none! Desist your questions!

From that its not too far fetched to assume that Spirits and Demons are the same thing, Demons simply being driven by their desire -- though you can argue that Justice is also driven by his desire for justice.

Edit: marked his replies in bold for easy reading

- The Sad Dragon

Modifié par Sad Dragon, 08 avril 2011 - 07:19 .

[Rifneno]

Sad Dragon wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Anders pretty much trolls the other group members for giggles.  Taking that one remark about spirits and demons and putting it into a discussion about whether they're the same thing is just absurd.

Lets look at Justice's replies instead:

Anders: Aren't demons simply spirits with unique and sparkling personalities?
Justice: They have been perverted by their desires.

Anders: You said that demons were spirits perverted by their desires.
Justice: I have no such desires.
Anders: You must have some desires...
Justice: I have none! Desist your questions!

From that its not too far fetched to assume that Spirits and Demons are the same thing, Demons simply being driven by their desire -- though you can argue that Justice is also driven by his desire for justice.

Edit: marked his replies in bold for easy reading

- The Sad Dragon

"I do not know what makes demons as they are. Such evil angers me, but I do not understand it."

[Mnemnosyne]

Darth Krytie wrote...

How is quoting something that is quite possibly religious rhetoric an indisputible defense?

I didn't say it was indisputable, I said there are no credible sources that oppose this view.  I cannot recall a single codex entry or other source that claims spirits and demons are fundamentally different.  The only people we see claiming this are people like Anders/Justice - who is personally offended at being compared to a demon - that's not a scientific or academic point of view, that's personal offense.  As well as the superstitious and others who clearly have neither the resources nor the knowledge to make a factual statement on the matter.

The fact that there are multiple sources - some Chantry, some by mages that have studied the issue - that point out that demons and spirits are essentially the same is what I'm pointing out.  It's not an isolated point of view, it's a point of view from multiple individuals who have credible reasons and resources to gather the information, and when the Chantry's point of view agrees with the mages that researched it, it lends even more credibility.  If there was a credible source that opposed this point of view then I would be less certain, but as far as I'm aware, we are never presented with such a source.  Even the sources that are less-than-credible due to personal involvement and offense make some ambiguous statements such as the aforementioned Justice pointing out they have been perverted by their desires.

[Sad Dragon]

Rifneno wrote...

"I do not know what makes demons as they are. Such evil angers me, but I do not understand it."

Toché. 

Guess we can assume that no one really knows the difference between Spirits and Demons -- except the devs that is.

- TSD

[Darth Krytie]

Koyasha wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

How is quoting something that is quite possibly religious rhetoric an indisputible defense?

I didn't say it was indisputable, I said there are no credible sources that oppose this view.  I cannot recall a single codex entry or other source that claims spirits and demons are fundamentally different.  The only people we see claiming this are people like Anders/Justice - who is personally offended at being compared to a demon - that's not a scientific or academic point of view, that's personal offense.  As well as the superstitious and others who clearly have neither the resources nor the knowledge to make a factual statement on the matter.

The fact that there are multiple sources - some Chantry, some by mages that have studied the issue - that point out that demons and spirits are essentially the same is what I'm pointing out.  It's not an isolated point of view, it's a point of view from multiple individuals who have credible reasons and resources to gather the information, and when the Chantry's point of view agrees with the mages that researched it, it lends even more credibility.  If there was a credible source that opposed this point of view then I would be less certain, but as far as I'm aware, we are never presented with such a source.  Even the sources that are less-than-credible due to personal involvement and offense make some ambiguous statements such as the aforementioned Justice pointing out they have been perverted by their desires.

Never said you were wrong. I mostly got pinged by the bolded "even the chantry" part of your statement...as it seems a highly biased source and you implied by puting "even" in front of "the chantry" that it was remarkable thing for them to say.

[tiernanls]

first of all, anyone who says jowan or merrill didnt cause anything bad has obviously decided to take a view on blood magic that is unshakable. dear lord man, merrill herself admits to basically being the cause of all the monsters running around sundermount because she awoke with a demon. her deal with the demon ultimately cost their clan its keeper. she was responsible for all kind of wrong. and im sorry jowan was too. at the very least he attacked me with blood magic when i had done nothing but support him in origins, and lord know what he did afterwards.

its really just an unbelievably silly argument to begin with. i have no idea why people want to argue blood magic is fine. i dont know if it creates an alternate fantasy where the game is better or what. when you play a game, or read a book, you pretty much take the writer on his word when he tells you "this is how it is in this fantasy universe". the writers intent is clearly for blood magic to be considered evil. in fact, merrill is the only person in the game that doesnt straight out acknowledge that it is pretty evil. everyone else just uses the means to an end argument.

now the writers of the game have clearly given you everything from in-game descriptions, to the labels that hover over the creatures in question. if anyone wants to live under some crazy delusion that this is going to turn out like some m. night movie where blood magic in the climax is found to be of no evil origin what so ever and all blood mages will be vindicated that more powere to you. whatever fuels your happiness parade is really none of my concern. but seriously. i dont think the writing in this game is THAT good. do you?

[LobselVith8]

tiernanls wrote...

first of all, anyone who says jowan or merrill didnt cause anything bad has obviously decided to take a view on blood magic that is unshakable.

Blame Duncan. He was telling me about how some Grey Warden mages used blood magic to fight the darkspawn.

tiernanls wrote...

dear lord man, merrill herself admits to basically being the cause of all the monsters running around sundermount because she awoke with a demon.

It's addressed that Sundermount is cursed. It was cursed long before Merrill ever stepped foot there.

"Kirkwall is guarded by mountains to its north, the tallest of which is Sundermount. The mountain has a fearsome reputation. Legend says it was the site of a vicious battle where both sides unleashed horrors into the waking world, and unholy creatures prowl the heights to this very day, unaware that the war for which they were summoned is long since over." - the official website of Dragon Age 2.

tiernanls wrote...

her deal with the demon ultimately cost their clan its keeper.

No, Marethari accepting a demon into her cost the clan its Keeper.

tiernanls wrote...

she was responsible for all kind of wrong.

You mean, her rebuilding an Eluvian after extrapolating information from a shard and all the lore she gathered?

tiernanls wrote...

and im sorry jowan was too. at the very least he attacked me with blood magic when i had done nothing but support him in origins, and lord know what he did afterwards.

Jowan never attacked the mage protagonist with blood magic, he knocked out Irving, Greagoir, and several templars in an attempt to protect Lily.

tiernanls wrote...

its really just an unbelievably silly argument to begin with. i have no idea why people want to argue blood magic is fine. i dont know if it creates an alternate fantasy where the game is better or what. when you play a game, or read a book, you pretty much take the writer on his word when he tells you "this is how it is in this fantasy universe". the writers intent is clearly for blood magic to be considered evil.

You're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion on blood magic isn't indisputable fact.

tiernanls wrote...

in fact, merrill is the only person in the game that doesnt straight out acknowledge that it is pretty evil. everyone else just uses the means to an end argument.

Considering that I value Merrill's intellect over their ignorance, we'll leave it at that.

tiernanls wrote...

now the writers of the game have clearly given you everything from in-game descriptions, to the labels that hover over the creatures in question. if anyone wants to live under some crazy delusion that this is going to turn out like some m. night movie where blood magic in the climax is found to be of no evil origin what so ever and all blood mages will be vindicated that more powere to you. whatever fuels your happiness parade is really none of my concern. but seriously. i dont think the writing in this game is THAT good. do you?

People can use blood magic for vile purposes. People can also use weapons and positions of power for vile purposes, too, as we see from the City Elf Origin.

[RavenB]

I don't believe any action such as this can ever be justified in absolutely everyone's eyes. Some will benefit and some will not. One can argue from various points of morality whether the end justifies the means, but that's all a matter of personal positioning.

I agree with his choice. I don't see anything particularly wrong with it. The Chantry is not like a "Church" as we know it. The Chantry is not innocent. They're a major military power (through the templars) who are directly responsible for regulating magic. The choice of how mages are dealt with is directly issued through the Chantry and it's their responsibility to see that gross abuses do not occur as this one did in Kirkwall. Thus, they're an understandable target.

Are their "innocents" inside? Did "innocents" die from debris? Likely, yes. There are innocents on military bases; families of soldiers and non-military employees. Civilians die in debris from bombings in war. This is the way major conflict goes. It's not a new concept and it's not surprising.

I think there's a good chance this choice will prove effective. We'll really have to wait and see before we can make the call whether it was or not. It appears to be, in the sense that Varric reports the mages rebelled regardless which side you took. However, we really just need to wait and see where it goes. One could say that he at least opened up the path for those who supported his beliefs to have a fighting chance. That's respectable enough for me.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Considering that I value Merrill's intellect over their ignorance, we'll leave it at that.

Thank you. Most people see Merrill as stupid. She's naive, but not stupid. In fact, I value her word on things Magic related more than most peoples'. Especially people who let the Chantry's views sway their mindsets.

[Foryou]

Last time i checked 9/11 never happened in Thedas and there aren't planes in Theadas. So please don't get into real life politics and stuff today. SO KEEP IT ON TOPIC

[Eromenos]

Anders was justified. No one's obligated to let others benefit from one's isolation, suffering, containment, blacklisting, segregation, imprisonment, fear, persecution, loss of dignity, loss of choices. Those are only a few concepts. And they all happen to be combined.

There were no innocents in the Chantry. All of them were complicit in oppressing mages with a blanket criminal label and with the use of terror. The Chantry is the faction employing cultural terrorism. (No exceptions in the building, not even the janitors.) They all exhibit the faith and uniform that benefit the same machine. Rapes, tortures, blackmail, exposure, deprivation, thefts, vandalism, abductions, murders. Scapegoating. "Mundane" humiliations. Dismissal of these abuses against mages. The Chantry declared war by action, even if its platitudes pretend otherwise.

Anders was not trying to be "better" than his hunters were. It's about no more giving ground, no more capitulation. Real monsters are the ones who turn the lock and throw away the key just because they can, whether in their hearts or with their actual fingers. Those are immediate forfeitures of any claim to being a noncombatant in war. Claims about "fighting fair" are BS from people being possessive about their image/rank/status in society. No such thing as "fair fighting" exists; it is only a lie used to demean oppressed people.

(As I recall, the explosion occurred at evening when the place gets closed off to the public. The bomb did not even spread its debris onto the city, but cast outward beyond its borders. TBH, Anders gave them more mercy than they deserved. Their deaths were instantaneous. After they saw it coming.)

"There can be no peace." Vengeance or Justice, either way is worthy and either way can destroy the status quo power structure. It should be no surprise Anders devalued the lives of his enemies. Why give mercy to those who are incapable of it? So what if he started a French Revolution? Given the choices at hand, even anarchy would've been preferable. He did his world a favor by slaughtering even just those few hypocrites whose word was overvalued.

Modifié par Eromenos, 08 avril 2011 - 11:44 .

[Deztyn]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

to use In another Act I banter Anders says, "to use blood magic you must look a demon in the eye and accept his offer"

I don't think that was ever a banter.


EDIT: Never mind, it was between Anders and Fenris. Nevertheless, just because you see him as a mad abomination and choose not to believe him on anything doesn't mean other people have to follow your way of thinking.

If a character says X is true one moment, seems to say Y is true the next and X and Y exclude each other -- one or both of those things has to be wrong. It's not opinion. It's fact. What is opinion is which of those things a person chooses to believe is true. That's why he can't use Anders as proof blood magic can be learned without a demon.

Wynne says "it is madness and cruelty that defines an Abomination." Anders isn't mad or cruel.

If we're going to quote characters and take their opinions as fact then you should go back a few pages to my response the first time you posted that. I quote Anders. In his own words he meets your criteria for an abomination.

Justice is in certain scenes, which is different.. And even in Awakening Justice was as zealous as he is now, but he didn't know how to act outside the Fade.

It's not different. If Justice can't be seperated from Anders it doesn't matter if only Justice is guilty (which is debatable.) They share the same body and influence each others minds. The fact that Anders never addresses the problem makes him complicit in everything Justice does while in his body. Even after killing Ella, Anders will still defend his righteousness. "Justice is no malevolent influence." When Hawke calls BS and points out that he got stabbity on a scared girl whose only crime was making Justice mad, Anders doesn't answer, he deflects. Throughout the game he blames himself for Justice being corrupted while also refusing to acknowledge that Justice IS corrupted.

IMO, mad abomination is the best possible interpretation of his character. Otherwise he's just a willfully ignorant, irresponsible and deceitful zealot.

[Deztyn]

Rifneno wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

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... seriously, don't use game mechanics as in universe facts or things start to get silly.

[TEWR]

Deztyn wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

But what kind of book? Was it 'How to Gain Unlimited Power in Three Pints or Less'? Was it 'How to a Trick a Demon into Teaching You a Forbidden School of Magic Without Selling Your Soul'? Was it a book of magic? Or a magical book?

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... seriously, don't use game mechanics as in universe facts or things start to get silly.

I have to say, that whole entire thing was well thought out and full of massive lulz. Kudos to you good ser.

[IanPolaris]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Considering that I value Merrill's intellect over their ignorance, we'll leave it at that.

Thank you. Most people see Merrill as stupid. She's naive, but not stupid. In fact, I value her word on things Magic related more than most peoples'. Especially people who let the Chantry's views sway their mindsets.

Indeed, from what I can tell, Merrill has a better understanding of magic and the fade that puts every other mage in the game to shame even including Mage-Hawke.  I think it's criminal that the Devs chose to package such a wise and knowledgeable source of magical lore into the voice and persona of a twit.  IMHO it's one more sign that the Devs want you to hate "forbidden" magic without seriously thinking about it.  If you can't change the message (because the lore is established) then you can make the messeger into a twit.

-Polaris