Dean_the_Young wrote...
Congratulations: you never asked Cullen whether he supported it or not. You're making a serious accusation based off what was never challenged.
It's an optional conversation that the player must initiate after completing Dissent but still in Act II.
Dialogue option: "Do you approve of the plan?"
Hawke: It sounds like you support this.
Cullen: The Tranquil ritual was created as a mercy so that mages need not be killed out of hand for a threat they might pose. There is an argument to be made for applying it more widely.
Anders: Are you going to listen to this? He's no better than Ser Alrik.
Cullen: Do you think it's easy to contain a mage who truly wants to deal with demons? We have done our best. But many mages have made it clear they view the ritual as no better than death. They want no controls on them at all.
Didn't you just get through telling me I shouldn't assume things I don't know? Right before telling me I didn't have a conversation that I did? Because that's pretty funny.
And no, not dignifying something with a rejection is not the same as an assent. If you call my a pedophile, I am in now way obligated to give it any due consideration and deny it, as opposed to ignorring it entirely.
Except he didn't ignore it entirely, he defended it.
Sure. That doesn't mean that all case of an underling's wrongdoings are plausible deniability, however.
When the corruption is as widespread as seen in DA2, it does.
False dichtomy, mixed with reducto ad absurdem? Two fallacies in one sentance: nice.
Yeah, you're right. I should just compare templars to WMD. That'd be so much better.
You're missing the point. Deliberately, I think.
The Circumstance in which Meredith became acting-Grand Cleric was a disaster, an assasination of both the Grand Cleric and the total destruction of the Chantry. There are proceedings for that which gave Meredith the power and right to do an Anullment.
Had the Grand Cleric passed away in her sleep after a period of poor health, with no such disaster, there is nothing to state that the succession would have been the same. Any number of alternatives could have existed, ranging from a pre-selected new Grand Cleric to step in (one not blown up in a fireball) to a non-crisis succession.
Nothing given has mandated that a peaceful death must be followed by the same procedure that occured during the crisis. Assuming such would be the Polaris Fallacy.
Did you even READ the post where he stated the legality of it? Let me quote it for you:
A Knight-Commander is second-in-command next to the Grand Cleric. With Elthina's death, Meredith was legally in command of the Kirkwall Chantry-- such as it was, and certainly in the absence of any ranking Revered Mother or the Divine herself. Cullen's objection was not that her invocation of the Rite was illegal, it was that it was unjustified.
What part of that even hints that the chain of command has anything to do with HOW the Grand Cleric died? Because it doesn't to me. But let's go a little deeper. In response to a back-and-forth which posed the question of whether there's any checks in the Chantry's system to prevent the KC abusing the system:
I'm sorry, am I in the position of defending the templars, now? You're going to sit there with your arms crossed because the fanfic you got going in your head makes more sense to you? To answer your question: yes, I imagine in a theoretical world if a Knight-Commander could conspire to remove a Grand Cleric, and also keep any clear successor from manifesting, they would be able to do as they please with the Circle of Magi-- subject to scrutiny once the Divine got wind of it, no doubt. Or does the possibility of political scheming make no sense to you? Shall I go into the intricacies of authority between the Grand Clerics and the Divine, as well? Or did the fact such things are not all explicitly laid out mean you've decided how it works already?
In other words, no grand cleric = knight commander has full say over the Circle.
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