LobselVith8 wrote...
tiernanls wrote...
like i said. as much as i liked the story in both games, i think all the pro blood mage people are giving the writers way more credit than they deserve.
and having played through every possible variable of the game that i am aware of in both one and two it is my humble opinion that putting merrills knowledge of magic up on some gigantic pedestal where she is the most reputable source is just plain lunacy.
Merrill proficiently uses blood magic for several years, understands all spirits are dangerous (which is a point that Anders lacked despite his background as a Circle mage), and builds an Eluvian despite most of the knowledge of the elven devices being lost. People don't put her on a pedestal - they look at what she's capable of and see that she has an intellect that outstrips everyone else in areas of magic and elven lore.tiernanls wrote...
she released a demon from imprisonment,
Incorrect. Marethari did.tiernanls wrote...
made a deal with it,
A deal for knowledge on blood magic that still left the demon Audacity imprisoned in the totem.tiernanls wrote...
and did so with absolutely no foresight as to any kind of end game. then when she got what SHE wanted out of it, she pretty much just left it there. wow, she threw up a few magical walls that any fool mage with blood magic could get past. how responsible of her. merrill is brilliant. dont get me wrong. im sure she has a very high iq. but sometimes brilliant people can be just about the dumbest asses on the face of the earth when it comes down to plain ol common sense.
Despite some factual errors on your part, Audacity was still imprisoned when Merrill went to see him several years after meeting Hawke. She brought Hawke with her to kill her if things went wrong - she has foresight.tiernanls wrote...
and yes the wardens themselves justify the use of blood magic as a means to an end, but they do so without really understanding the consequences. duncan himself who is the head of the order in fereldon admits to not having really any knowledge of magic. just that it is useful and the darkspawn have mages so he thinks we should have some. its that simple to a warden. right down to asking the mage origin hero about the harrowing and the fade. he really had no idea other than he thought it was usefull. their whole world view is actually quite simple. only thing that matters is killing darkspawn. everything else is irrelevant. right down to buggin out of a city being sieged by qunari. so quite frankly their view on the uses of blood magic are quite irrelevant. to them its up to the individual mage.
The fact that Grey Warden mages have used blood magic for benevolant purposes (i.e. killing darkspawn) is the entire point people are making. Not every mage who uses blood magic means they're "evil," especially when we know from Duncan there are Wardens using such magic to keep the darkspawn at bay.tiernanls wrote...
at the end of the day it comes down to what is the point. if the use of blood magic ultimately results in hardhsip for the individual who practices it why practice. orsino knew the dude who murdered your mother was going around murdering people for his research. why condone that? just based on that knowledge alone its easy as hell for me to assume (tho it is still just an assumption) that meredith was only imposing restriction on the mages from the get go because of the constant finding of blood mages and because of murderers like the one that kills your mother. rape, beatings and illegal tranquility are completely seperate matters. just like individual practice of blood magic should be a seperate matter. and there is absolutely no evidence to support any suggetion that meredith wasnt investigating or punishing ann of those atrocities that she was made aware of. none whatsoever. if you do not want one side painted with the same brush you cannot paint the other with the same brush. this is anders biggest hipocracy throughout the game.
Considering Knight-Captain Cullen actually endorsed the proposal made for the "Tranquil Solution" and Grand Cleric Elthina didn't care about what Alrik did to the mages, why should we assume that there were any kind of repercussions when the people with authority didn't care about what actually happened?
wow you really got a thing for merrill. first of all she had no inention of going back and doing anythign with the demon other than leaving it as she left it. she only went back because she couldnt get the eluvian to work (wow duh, a demon wouldnt give you all the info, what a genius). i buy everything you say about merrill's natural intelligence. but quite frankly, to borrow a phrase, she is probably the dumbest smart person i know. its no wonder two of your companions basically treat her as if shes a child throughout the entire game.
and you make a great deal of assumption with your own views as well. like the fact that their couldnt be "evil" grey wardens. the grey wardens didnt care about evil or good. they cared about dead darkspawn. that was it. you could be the most successful serial killer in the histroy of thedas and the wardens wouldnt care. if they thought you would be great at killing drakspawn than they would sign you up. no matter who you were or what you had done. loghain is proof of that. so i dont exactly see the use of blood magic in the wardens ranks as any kind of proof of its benevelant uses. in fact, when you consider the veil visions in the wardens keep dlc, and anders, from my point of view ive met more "bad" wardens than good ones.
and on your last point you are just flat wrong. at no point does cullen ever endorse the tranquil solution. and when you accuse him of sounding like it he just basically says he can see an argument for expanding its use to include blood mages. he never at any point even comes close to saying anything that amounts to " i think all mages should be made tranquill". he very very often says quite the opposite actually and in my playthroughs often wondered aloud about whether or not meredith was going too far, and its him that is the voice of reason if you side with the templars when it comes to slaughtering every mage, aggresive or not. and its the same exact thing for elthina. she dismisses the document because she has seen it and more or less says "it will never happen". her reaction was more along the lines of being offended you would see her capable of as much in my opinion.
two wrongs never make a right. for all the assumptions you make to support your train of thought i could just as easily assume that none of this would have ever happened at all if there were no mages in kirkwall practicing blood magic. you can never justify the mass murder of bystanders because of the oppresions inflicted upon the murderer. you lose the moral high ground. plain and simple.
you hate all templars. fine. whatever. just acknowledge your prejudice and move on.
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as another poster said, you have to look a demon in the eye for the knowledge on how to use Blood Magic, but blood has an innate power that anyone may happen to stumble across?
