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[mopotter]

I'm not thrilled with them. I guess I'm more of a traditionalist. Elves are beautiful, (men and women), and I got that impression in DA:O. Zev was not my favorite character, but I did find him rather beautiful.

And while I thought Merrill was cute as a button and I like Fenris character, neither of them were actually attractive to me. I do love Fenris' and Merrill's voice and all of their voices in general.

But it's not that big of a deal for me. I'm more interested in the characters themselves and I liked them.

Flemeth on the other hand, I thought was much better looking in DA:2.

[Gamer Ftw]

PurebredCorn wrote...

The accents, when I first heard about the change to welsh, I thought was so weird and random. But then I heard Merrill's voice actress and I totally got it. Yeah, she alone is reason enough to change an entire group of people's accent as far as I'm concerned... she's *that* good. Plus, it just seems to work better for some reason.

I think the change in the elves' appearance is strange and cool at the same time. I've never really found the elves attractive in any game... just not into the whole elven thing, but I think stepping away from a more human looking race is the right direction to go. It's kinda funny how the ugly elves are especially repulsive and/or lulzy and the pretty ones are almost ethereal looking.

I think the changes added a lot more interest to the elves that I personally found missing in Origins.

It occurs to me since Merrill is from another clan they could have changed just her accent.

[Nerdage]

I do like the changes, but I can't help but think that we won't be playing as an elf again as a result, not unless they give the option to pick your race again. It wouldn't have been such a problem in Origins but now I imagine that, if the PC could only be an elf, there would be alot of people picking up the game and going "The hell?! My character's scrawny as sh**!".

Also, I do wish the Dalish accents all came from the same country, just saying.. As someone who grew up in Wales I feel I have to say something.

[_Somebody]

Im ok with it. The important elves like Merrill, and Fenris looked fine, while some others... not so much. They need to put more work into the random NPCs. 

And it wouldnt hurt if they put a little more meat on their bones. Some of those elves look like they havent eaten in months.

Modifié par Somebody, 03 avril 2011 - 12:57 .

[Brockololly]

adneate wrote...

The elves in DA2 are probably the laziest most artistically bankrupt fantasy race ever put in a video game. Most of the faces look like someone spent about 7 seconds randomly fiddling with the sliders while the two Elf companion characters look as human-like as possible. Basically proving the entire concept that "Oh the Elves have to look different" is 100% BS because they know nobody wants to be followed around by some lop eared freak show. The entire race is somehow less believable and convincing than they were in Origins and considering that this is a race that doesn't exist that is saying something.

Yup- Everybody says how great Fenris and Merrill look, when of all the elves, they look probably the most human in terms of facial features which seems to sort of miss the point of their redesign.

Just overall, I liked how in Origins the elves and Qunari did look somewhat more human overall though. The changes made in DA2 just make the non human races seem more like they came from different planets, not different areas of the world. Its fine to have them visually distinct and so some changes  are fine, but the redesigned races look more generic now when compared to your other typical fantasy settings. The nice thing in Origins I thought was how the races only differed a little in their physical look, but it was culturally and philosophically where they were distinct and unique when compared amongst each other.

[_Somebody]

Brockololly wrote...

Yup- Everybody says how great Fenris and Merrill look, when of all the elves, they look probably the most human in terms of facial features which seems to sort of miss the point of their redesign.

This is actually true, I never thought of that.

Modifié par Somebody, 03 avril 2011 - 01:06 .

[Loain]

When I first stepped into the Dalish camp it was like setting foot on to another planet. 5 minutes later after I calmed down I liked them, a lot. It's nice that they now feel like a whole other race not just humans with pointy ears. In DA:O I thought it was odd that people were rude to me for being an elf because with the hair cut I had they couldn't even see my ears.

[Zjarcal]

Brockololly wrote...

adneate wrote...

The elves in DA2 are probably the laziest most artistically bankrupt fantasy race ever put in a video game. Most of the faces look like someone spent about 7 seconds randomly fiddling with the sliders while the two Elf companion characters look as human-like as possible. Basically proving the entire concept that "Oh the Elves have to look different" is 100% BS because they know nobody wants to be followed around by some lop eared freak show. The entire race is somehow less believable and convincing than they were in Origins and considering that this is a race that doesn't exist that is saying something.

Yup- Everybody says how great Fenris and Merrill look, when of all the elves, they look probably the most human in terms of facial features which seems to sort of miss the point of their redesign.

Merrill looks human? That's news to me.

She looks quite in tune with the elven redesign to me.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 03 avril 2011 - 01:18 .

[_Somebody]

Not so much Merrill, but Fenris kinda does. (At least to me)

Still, I like the new look for the most part. 

Modifié par Somebody, 03 avril 2011 - 01:13 .

[Merilsell]

That pretty much sums it up.

[Remmirath]

I have no problem with the Dalish having accents (though I'd rather it was more Merrill's than 'watch your back' guy's). Honestly, I always thought it odd that they didn't have them.

I don't like the changes to their appearance, save that I don't mind the larger ears (I don't like the larger ears, strictly speaking, but things like 'knife-ears' do make more sense when they actually have obviously large ears). I think they looked fine before, and it's bizarre and jarring to me that they look different now - more so than the Qunari, because you didn't really interact much with the Qunari in Origins, whereas you did interact frequently with elves (particularly if your character was an elf). I also don't mind them being taller, though it is slightly odd considering they weren't before.

Fenris and Merrill do look all right, if strangely thin. If all the elves looked like them (not exactly like them, obviously - that would be a whole new level of bizarrity), I wouldn't mind it so much - but most of the NPC elves look like a whole different species from the ones who actually end up in your party.

My main problem with the change, I suppose, is that even with it they still don't look like a dramatically different species from humans, and they won't either - not without no longer looking recognisably elven. The changes mostly amount to making them look simply odd, but not in a 'oh! Different species' way - more in a 'what's wrong with him?' way. Not sure how much sense that explanation made.

On that note, it's also odd to me that dwarves didn't change. If the dwarves didn't need to, I don't know why the elves did need to...

mopotter wrote...

I'm not thrilled with them. I guess I'm more of a traditionalist. Elves are beautiful, (men and women), and I got that impression in DA:O. Zev was not my favorite character, but I did find him rather beautiful.
 

The really odd thing about that is that there are still several NPCs who mention elves being beautiful... and yes, certainly there are different standards of beauty, but I suspect that they way they are now they wouldn't be 'generally considered extremely attractive by humans'.

[_Somebody]

Halae Dral wrote...

The really odd thing about that is that there are still several NPCs who mention elves being beautiful... and yes, certainly there are different standards of beauty, but I suspect that they way they are now they wouldn't be 'generally considered extremely attractive by humans'.

Where do we hear this? 

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

UltiPup wrote...

Sorry that not all elves are gorgeous? Not all humans are cute too but I don't see anyone stating that.

Elves look like elves now. They don't look like humans with weird ears.And they don't need to deal with your shoe fetish.

They look like elves now?  Really?  Ever seen one?  How the hell do you know what an elf is supposed to look like?  Some of them look like nosferatu vampires; some of them look smurfs from Avatar; they look like an artists conception of an elf made by an artist that hates woodland creatures.  Another fail on the 'let's change stuff for the sake of changing it' department.

[Gamer Ftw]

I actaully thought the bald elves in darktown where made that way because they were dying of something. Or that they were deformed mutant elves from the sewers.

[Herr Uhl]

Brockololly wrote...

Just overall, I liked how in Origins the elves and Qunari did look somewhat more human overall though. The changes made in DA2 just make the non human races seem more like they came from different planets, not different areas of the world. Its fine to have them visually distinct and so some changes  are fine, but the redesigned races look more generic now when compared to your other typical fantasy settings. The nice thing in Origins I thought was how the races only differed a little in their physical look, but it was culturally and philosophically where they were distinct and unique when compared amongst each other.

So you want the old inventing a race for different ethnicities, but cutting the pretense of it actually being another race by having them looking the same.

In which case I wonder, why have different races in the first place?

[bleetman]

Eh, the re-design grew on me eventually, and their current appearance does explain a few things. Oghren confusing Zevran for a woman, for one.

[tmp7704]

Gilsa wrote...

I'm in the minority, but I thought Zevran in DA2 was an improvement. I can see the complaints about his face being a little off, but in DAO, since he appeared as smaller human, he came across as a teenaged surfer. In DA2, he looks very much like an adult.

He looks like an adult simply because he's bit taller? Gilsa, that's the last thing i'd expect to hear from a dwarf fan

Also, i happen to have screenshot which shows clearly what Zevran thinks about his new image:



yes, he is stabbing himself with both his knives...

Modifié par tmp7704, 03 avril 2011 - 02:05 .

[Merilsell]

dreadpiratesnugglecakes wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Sorry that not all elves are gorgeous? Not all humans are cute too but I don't see anyone stating that.

Elves look like elves now. They don't look like humans with weird ears.And they don't need to deal with your shoe fetish.

They look like elves now?  Really?  Ever seen one?  How the hell do you know what an elf is supposed to look like?  Some of them look like nosferatu vampires; some of them look smurfs from Avatar; they look like an artists conception of an elf made by an artist that hates woodland creatures.  Another fail on the 'let's change stuff for the sake of changing it' department.

This. So very much. Nothing more to add.

[tmp7704]

Herr Uhl wrote...

So you want the old inventing a race for different ethnicities, but cutting the pretense of it actually being another race by having them looking the same.

In which case I wonder, why have different races in the first place?

These are all different races, too. 

[Herr Uhl]

I meant races as in species. Hence the use of ethnicity.

I just don't see why you need to invent a new specie if they'll look very similar humans and have similar life-cycles and abilities.

[Herr Uhl]

Merilsell wrote...

dreadpiratesnugglecakes wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Sorry that not all elves are gorgeous? Not all humans are cute too but I don't see anyone stating that.

Elves look like elves now. They don't look like humans with weird ears.And they don't need to deal with your shoe fetish.

They look like elves now?  Really?  Ever seen one?  How the hell do you know what an elf is supposed to look like?  Some of them look like nosferatu vampires; some of them look smurfs from Avatar; they look like an artists conception of an elf made by an artist that hates woodland creatures.  Another fail on the 'let's change stuff for the sake of changing it' department.

This. So very much. Nothing more to add.

So since you don't like it you can use the same argument they have to mock them?

[Gilsa]

tmp7704 wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

I'm in the minority, but I thought Zevran in DA2 was an improvement. I can see the complaints about his face being a little off, but in DAO, since he appeared as smaller human, he came across as a teenaged surfer. In DA2, he looks very much like an adult.

He looks like an adult simply because he's bit taller? Gilsa, that's the last thing i'd expect to hear from a dwarf fan

Heh, no, no. Probably could have worded that a bit better. If dwarves had the exact same human model, but shrunken down further than elves, they would look even younger to me. Now that the DA2 elves have models that are lithe with different body animations and unique facial strutures (apart from their ears), they look like their own race. It's easier for me to see them as adults rather than mini-mes.  Tell me you get the gist of what I'm saying! =p

[sansaserif]

tmp7704 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

So you want the old inventing a race for different ethnicities, but cutting the pretense of it actually being another race by having them looking the same.

In which case I wonder, why have different races in the first place?

These are all different races, too. 

You have a point, but they aren't quite the same sort of race. You see, humans, dwarves and elves already vary amongst themselves in color and creed. The very idea of a Tolkien-esque race system (human, elf, dwarf, unique fourth race) is that they are a different species altogether. Like, humans are ****** sapiens, elves are ****** magicians and dwarves are ****** shortisnarkius or something.

In that way, the alterations made to the elven race were reasonable. I just think that the art department went a little too far in the alienation of the race. They have the right idea in distinguishing the race, but how they do it is a different story. They look way too much like Na'vii/rabbit/WOW elf crossbreeds with the bodies of human twelve-year-olds.

[Gamer Ftw]

they look distinct all right.
I have never seen elves with bulging foreheads before.

[DoNotIngest]

Merilsell wrote...

dreadpiratesnugglecakes wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Sorry that not all elves are gorgeous? Not all humans are cute too but I don't see anyone stating that.

Elves look like elves now. They don't look like humans with weird ears.And they don't need to deal with your shoe fetish.

They look like elves now?  Really?  Ever seen one?  How the hell do you know what an elf is supposed to look like?  Some of them look like nosferatu vampires; some of them look smurfs from Avatar; they look like an artists conception of an elf made by an artist that hates woodland creatures.  Another fail on the 'let's change stuff for the sake of changing it' department.

This. So very much. Nothing more to add.

Right. And I'm sure you could have a troll fight with somebody else about comparing smurfs to Na'vi (Lookit! Blue people!) On that subject, where do you get off on saying they look like Avatar ripoffs? Avatar aliens had distinct feline features: Their nose was 2/3 cat and 1/3 human, they had tails, cat eyes, and slightly pointed ears. Other than the pointed ears, which look different from DA2 elves in any case, you can't say **** about DA2 elves being Avatar ripoffs; The original elves that fueled all of these fantasy games and such always, unanimously, were 1) Lithe 2) Had longer, pointed ears and 3) Lived much longer than people or were immortal. DAO elves were a pathetic knockoff of the traditional elf; DA2 shows the racial differences of being very noticeably thinner, having longer, pointed ears and were, at a time, immortal. Repeating inflammatory BS you've seen around the non-registered forums doesn't help your case.