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[Turnip Root]

I'm really confused.  Did I play the same DLC as the critics did?  I just downloaded and played through Arrival on the PS3 and I was expecting a major dissapointment but what I got instead was a great new environment to explore, and some great new development of Admiral Hackett whose role I was sad to see reduced in Mass Effect 2.
That scene at the end where you confront Harbinger alone was worth the price.  Totally sent a chill down my spine and leaves me incredibly excited about what awaits Shepard in Mass Effect 3.

So from what I have read in the reviews the complaints seem to stem around the emphasis on action.  I don't see how that's a bad thing since I love third person cover shooters but even still I think the DLC deserves additional praise for actively encouraging you to avoid conflict as another challenge.

I guess their issue was that the cutscenes weren't oversaturated with dialogue but I think in this particular case, less is more and the plot left a strong impact on me.

So yeah, I don't know what it is that made other people feel let down about Arrival, but I didn't feel whatever it is they felt.  I loved it!

[Barhador]

Yeah, I think the DLC was a good one. Not as good as LotSB or especially Overlord, but still quality.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Arrival was mediocre compared to some of the other DLC, but it was no travesty by any means.

[didymos1120]

Nope. It's objectively terrible. You must now turn in your "Twu Fan" card. Sorry.

ETA: More seriously: it's fine.  Not my favorite of the bunch, and I'd have preferred a touch more story and lore content (though not the ridiculous number of hours of playtime a lot of people have thrown around), but as a coda to ME2, I think it works pretty well.  I even thought the "This time, Shep doesn't really get a choice" aspect was a point in its favor, though it really riled some people up.

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 avril 2011 - 10:17 .

[Sparrow44]

LotSB set a really high standard and as Arrival was supposed to be a bridging DLC for ME3 it simply wasn't as epic or enjoyable as most people expected.

Personally enjoyed it myself, would rate it just under LotSB imo and definitely one of the better ME2 DLC's. And by the time ME3 comes out people will have forgotten about Arrival simply because it was supposed to tease you for the finale in 3.

[Synobal]

Lair of the Shadow Broker was way better. That said I hope it's the only DLC where you spend most the time Solo, never have I felt the weakness in the infiltrator class soo clearly. Cloaking, and running out of cover to collect thermal clips isn't fun, especially when not getting back to cover right on time means sure death.

[Almostfaceman]

I loved Arrival, especially the impact to the plot.

[Turnip Root]

I think Gamespot's review was the one that got me thinking it was going to be a huge letdown.

You'd think a 5.0 for anything Bioware related would be an umitigated disaster but I ended up loving it. Bioware could've screwed up by making Hackett's character feel tacked on just as fan service but the Arrival DLC actually further developed his character.

The scenery at the end when you're about to collide with the Mass Relay was incredibly intense.

Only complaint I have is the lack of enemy variety.

[Anihilus]

I liked the collision with the Mass Relay. It reminded me of a Stargate episode where something similar happened.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Part of the reason I was disappointed by Arrival actually had nothing to do with the DLC. It had been really hyped up, both by Bioware and by fans. It was supposed to be huge; we were finally gonna see the Reapers arrive, it was going to be a bridging DLC, it was going to advance the plot, we were going to get SO MUCH GOODNESS!

And what we got was a pretty run-of-the-mill DLC. It added a couple hours of play time, brought Hackett back in for like ten minutes, and gave us some more shooting galleries to wade through. It wasn't BAD, but I think most of the fans expected it to be so much more that when they got it, they found it didn't even come close to matching their expectations.

Like I said, I blame us AND Bioware for this one. The hype surrounding this DLC was astronomic, and was fed by 'leaks' and speculation. We kinda shot ourselves in the foot with Arrival, and Bioware helped us aim the gun.

[didymos1120]

Turnip Root wrote...

Only complaint I have is the lack of enemy variety.

That's a general issue with ME2 and all of it's story DLCs though:

Zaeed = Mercs, Mechs
Kasumi = Mercs,  Mechs, Gunship
Overlord = Geth, Mechs + a bit of green stuff.
Lair = Mostly...Mercs, and a couple drones
Arrival = Varren, Mercs, Mechs

Lair was quite the anomaly with Vasir and the Broker as bosses, and even then they weren't vastly different from everything else. Vasir's big novelty was the fact that she was an enemy vanguard who actually used Charge for once.  The Broker's was basically just the shield (I don't really count the cutscene punch thing, because, well, it was a cutscene thing).

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 avril 2011 - 11:03 .

[Synobal]

I was rather depressed with Arrival as it lacked any interesting boss fights. I rather Enjoyed Vasir and the Shadow Broker fights and I thought it would be something Bioware would continue to try and do, but oh well nothing can really be done about it.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Arrival was great. It had some unique combat and level design themes that weren't present in ME2 and reminded me of the first game, some logical basis for the decisions you're able to make, and some interesting developments of shepard's character. It was "Shepard's loyalty mission" of mass effect 2.

[Anacronian Stryx]

weren't there only like 4 lokis and two Ymir mechs in arrival?

[didymos1120]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...
It had been really hyped up, both by Bioware and by fans.

That was almost entirely the fans hyping themselves.  Bioware said hardly anything until basically the last minute.  I'm not one of those who counts the leak as genuine publicity.  Also, they simply acknowledged that, yes, the trophies were real, but no, we're not telling you anything more than that.  I mean, it didn't even get a trailer until the day of release.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Turnip Root wrote...

I think Gamespot's review was the one that got me thinking it was going to be a huge letdown.

You'd think a 5.0 for anything Bioware related would be an umitigated disaster but I ended up loving it. Bioware could've screwed up by making Hackett's character feel tacked on just as fan service but the Arrival DLC actually further developed his character.

The scenery at the end when you're about to collide with the Mass Relay was incredibly intense.

Only complaint I have is the lack of enemy variety.

I've said this before: what you think of Arrival depends on what you expect from Bioware, and what you value in Bioware's games. I'm not saying that those who enjoyed Arrival are wrong, but neither are those who thought it was vastly disappointing. It all depends on what you want from the game.

Compared to Overlord and LotSB, the development of Hackett in Arrival was pretty bare-bones. If your final conversation with him had been a "few wheels" deeper or longer, and had gone into what kind of trial you could expect, or what your options were, or what-have-you, I would have been much happier. As it was, I felt like I learned almost nothing.

Your scientist here was also much less developed and interesting than the Overlord scientist or the rogue Spectre in LotSB, and the "illusion of choice" was far less. Also, a number of people felt that the hype and advertising around the DLC implied you would be making a choice, instead of simply witnessing an event you had no impact on the result of. Finally, squad mates and side characters are a big part of what a lot of people enjoy about Mass Effect, and I think their complete absence (save for Hackett) left a significant gulf for some.

If none of this bothers you, then hurrah! It doesn't mean you're less of a fan, or more of a fan, just that you expect different things. I said at the time I finished Arrival that I would pay another $7 to "unplay it," and while I've softened a bit since then, I'd still probably have preferred to just see a cutscene or play a mini-flashback (like the Normandy destruction scene in ME2) than the full DLC. If your mileage varies, then I'm legitimately happy for you.

[didymos1120]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

weren't there only like 4 lokis and two Ymir mechs in arrival?

Yeah, but they're still there, and they're still just the standard mechs.  I did enjoy briefly being a LOKI though, even if all it could do was shoot and get blown up rather quickly.  But hey: Shep has reserves.

[Gentleman Moogle]

didymos1120 wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...
It had been really hyped up, both by Bioware and by fans.

That was almost entirely the fans hyping themselves.  Bioware said hardly anything until basically the last minute.  I'm not one of those who counts the leak as genuine publicity.  Also, they simply acknowledged that, yes, the trophies were real, but no, we're not telling you anything more than that.  I mean, it didn't even get a trailer until the day of release.

I actually count the "complete radio silence" against Bioware in this case. I'm absolutely certain they knew what the Fans were talking about. Hell, the Arrival Achievements leak practically went Viral as soon as it happened. I think they looked at it, saw what was happening, and made the conscious decision to let it happen, knowing it would be a more effective marketing campaign than anything they could have come up with. Had they come out and said "Dudes, it's not going to be as awesome as you're thinking", I think a lot fewer people would have been disappointed. 

Now, before you say anything, I know they wouldn't do that because it would be counter-productive to say that their DLC isn't going to be awesome... But in this case non-action is just as powerful as action would have been. 

[Anacronian Stryx]

I like arrival for primary one reason, It felt like Shep was back on track fighting the real enemy instead of running around fixing everybody's problems and fighting mercenaries and factory workers.

[Synobal]

No company would ever intentionally downplay a product they are trying to sell Gentleman Moogle, the best you can expect is silence.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

weren't there only like 4 lokis and two Ymir mechs in arrival?

No. If you try really really hard in the Object Rho fight, a second YMIR arrives. It's true, you can read about it in the Fight For Your Life thread!

One disappointing part of this DLC is that there are segments where what usually counts as playing particularly well in ME2 actually means playing bad. It's like Arrival happens in Soviet Russia!

eg: In Arrival DLC, Flanking Pwns You!

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 02 avril 2011 - 11:16 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

didymos1120 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

weren't there only like 4 lokis and two Ymir mechs in arrival?

Yeah, but they're still there, and they're still just the standard mechs.  I did enjoy briefly being a LOKI though, even if all it could do was shoot and get blown up rather quickly.  But hey: Shep has reserves.

Can it be blown up?? i thought it was indestructable??

[SalsaDMA]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

weren't there only like 4 lokis and two Ymir mechs in arrival?

Actually there is an infinite amount of LOKI mechs. All you got to do is keep getting your LOKI mech blown up by hostile mechs and you can get a new respawn.

So.. yeah...

[Anacronian Stryx]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

weren't there only like 4 lokis and two Ymir mechs in arrival?

No. If you try really really hard in the Object Rho fight, a second YMIR arrives. It's true, you can read about it in the Fight For Your Life thread!

One disappointing part of this DLC is that there are segments where what usually counts as playing particularly well in ME2 actually means playing bad. It's like Arrival happens in Soviet Russia!

yeah that's why i wrote two Ymirs.. one there and one out at the landing pad.