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[WhiteKnyght]

Kinda surprising a topic made for giggles would turn into an actual debate/discussion.

[Camenae]

This is teh internets, everything is srs bizness!

[shaneho78]

One reason not to convert to the Qun: Seamus.

[sphinxess]

Lithuasil wrote...

maegi46 wrote...
Was the Arishok attacking Kirkwall and taking the nobles hostage a smart military move? Actually yeah it was until Hawke and company showed up to kick his ass. Obviously the guard and templars were doing nothing to rectify the situation. That's why the Viscount's head was rolling down the stairs and all the nobles were gathered like cattle as hostages.

I don't know if Meredith could have defeated him or not since she never made a move to do so. It's irrelevant to the story since it was not written that she did anything to remove the Qunari threat. Meredith's concerns were only with subjugating the mages and removing their potential "threat' from Kirkwall.

How was it a smart move, causing massive political consequences, with *no* potential gain? How is attacking a city from the best stance possible, and getting utterly destroyed, a signe of smart tactics?

You realize, that the two military assets Kirkwall has beyond a few dozen guards (the templars and the circle) are both garrisoned in the gallows, across the lake, and didn't participate in the battle at all, aside from a few people that happened to be out shopping at the time?

He attacked nothing cause the Viscount and Nobles are worth nothing under the Qun. He replaced nothing with himself - maybe he actually thought the city wouuld accept it

[Froswald]

1) Not having to work that pesky sack of flesh called the brain.
2) Slavery is nonexistant here - Everyone is a slave!
3) You won't have to worry about funeral preparations ever again.
4) Since you're closed off to most normal influences if properly raised, when you discover freedom it's so mindblowing you'll feel like you died and went to heaven!
5) You get to see new sights, new people, right before you convert everything to the Qun or slay them all.

[lx_theo]

I'd have to see what the women look like before I consider anything...

[Orion34]

I'm in.

[The Angry One]

sphinxess wrote...

He attacked nothing cause the Viscount and Nobles are worth nothing under the Qun. He replaced nothing with himself - maybe he actually thought the city wouuld accept it

Doesn't change his strategy being dumb.
The absolute worst thing you can do as a military commander is hold your enemy in utter contempt, that's a good way to get stomped.

It sounds more and more like the Qunari rely exclusively on brute force, numbers and their cannons while having the tactical ability of a can of peaches.

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 avril 2011 - 03:22 .

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

I'm sorry, but my Hawke values her...



That and not being executed simply for having a mage sister. Superstitious fools.

[Beerfish]

Five good reasons.
1) You can chain and abuse mages and pro mages forces will still think the Qun are cool and just.
2) You can be as snarky as you want an berate everyone even if you have not idea what you are talking about.
3) You can make verbal and written agreements and void them on your whim because they don't really mean anything to you.
4) You can arbitrarily determine what a person does and they have no say in it at all. Even better they will do it and like it.
5) Your laws apply to everyone else but you are free to break and ignore any and all laws of any lands you travel to.

[Abispa]

How is Qun any different than the Chantry? If you submit to the will of the Chantry and happily embrace all of its teachings, there would be no problems. Its only when the demands of the Chantry are challenged, or reinterpreted to meet the desires of individuals, that problems arise. Embrace the certainty of the Maker.

[Camenae]

It's no wonder the Qunari went berserk in Kirkwall really. They were cooped up there without women for four years. I'm guessing they wouldn't deign to consort with the bas women.

[Crimea River]

I'm curious, what would happen if there was a kossith (that is, the race of the Qunari & Tal'Vashoth) that was born a child of Tal'Vashoth, and when he grew up, he wanted to embrace the Qun, because he wanted the certainty and a place? Would they accept him as a Viddethari?

[Nyaore]

Crimea River wrote...

I'm curious, what would happen if there was a kossith (that is, the race of the Qunari & Tal'Vashoth) that was born a child of Tal'Vashoth, and when he grew up, he wanted to embrace the Qun, because he wanted the certainty and a place? Would they accept him as a Viddethari?

I'd imagine so. Tal'Vashoth, as far as my understanding goes, are Qunari who choose to denounce the Qun. However, a kossith who has never known the Qun cannot be considered Tal'Vashoth, for they have never known truth as the Qunari would see it and unlike their parents have never denounced said truth in favor of 'lies'. As such, I believe that the Qunari would at least be somewhat accepting of any kossith born to Tal'Vashoth so long as they are willing to be re-educated.
Granted that's just speculation on my part. I don't believe any of the developers has ever gone in depth about the matter.

[Chromie]

Nyaore wrote...

Crimea River wrote...

I'm curious, what would happen if there was a kossith (that is, the race of the Qunari & Tal'Vashoth) that was born a child of Tal'Vashoth, and when he grew up, he wanted to embrace the Qun, because he wanted the certainty and a place? Would they accept him as a Viddethari?

I'd imagine so. Tal'Vashoth, as far as my understanding goes, are Qunari who choose to denounce the Qun. However, a kossith who has never known the Qun cannot be considered Tal'Vashoth, for they have never known truth as the Qunari would see it and unlike their parents have never denounced said truth in favor of 'lies'. As such, I believe that the Qunari would at least be somewhat accepting of any kossith born to Tal'Vashoth so long as they are willing to be re-educated.
Granted that's just speculation on my part. I don't believe any of the developers has ever gone in depth about the matter.

They might just seem the child or Kissit as another convert? If they'll take elves and humans who never knew the Qun but chose to accept it why not a Kossith?

[OldMan91]

It sounds more and more like the Qunari rely exclusively on brute force, numbers and their cannons while having the tactical ability of a can of peaches.

Don't joke about cans of peaches. I once played a game of chess with a can of peaches, and it beat me in six moves. To this day I still don't know how it happened.

[JediHealerCosmin]

They have big boats. You all can't deny. 

[Lord Gremlin]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

They have big boats. You all can't deny. 

And that, my friends, is the sixth reason to embrace the Qun.

[Lithuasil]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

They have big boats. You all can't deny. 

And that, my friends, is the sixth reason to embrace the Qun.

But they can't sail them to save their lives  books 

[The Angry One]

Abispa wrote...

How is Qun any different than the Chantry? If you submit to the will of the Chantry and happily embrace all of its teachings, there would be no problems. Its only when the demands of the Chantry are challenged, or reinterpreted to meet the desires of individuals, that problems arise. Embrace the certainty of the Maker.

The Chantry does not:

- Kill you for talking to a mage, apostate or otherwise.
- Impose a job on you whether you like it or not.
- Tell a woman she's too weak to fight or tell a man he's too stupid to manage anything non-military.
- Develop biological weapons then claim superior morality.
- Take all children from their parents (some view doing this to circle mages as monstrous, now here's a WHOLE SOCIETY who does this).

[Camenae]

The Angry One wrote...

- Take all children from their parents (some view doing this to circle mages as monstrous, now here's a WHOLE SOCIETY who does this).

lol.  This is very true.

[Abispa]

How is the Qun any different than the Magisters of Tevinter? If you submit to the will of the Magisters and happily embrace all of their demands, there would be no problems. It's only when the demands of the Magisters are challenged, or reinterpreted to meet the desires of slaves... er, individuals, that problems arise. Embrace the certainty of the Magisters.

[The Angry One]

Abispa wrote...

How is the Qun any different than the Magisters of Tevinter? If you submit to the will of the Magisters and happily embrace all of their demands, there would be no problems. It's only when the demands of the Magisters are challenged, or reinterpreted to meet the desires of slaves... er, individuals, that problems arise. Embrace the certainty of the Magisters.

Setting aside the fact that the Magisters are universally regarded as evil, Tevinter is a meritocracy (if you're a mage).
Any mage - a slave, an elf can rise up to become a Magister, even Archon if they accumilate the power and wealth needed.

[Lithuasil]

Abispa wrote...

How is the Qun any different than the Magisters of Tevinter? If you submit to the will of the Magisters and happily embrace all of their demands, there would be no problems. It's only when the demands of the Magisters are challenged, or reinterpreted to meet the desires of slaves... er, individuals, that problems arise. Embrace the certainty of the Magisters.

Fenris was allowed to choose to participate in a fight, to earn the boon of the tattoos from his owner. Tevinter slaves officially have more freedom then Qunari. :|