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[Camenae]

The Angry One wrote...

Phft. There are times that Qunari make Seamus look positively macho, like when you tell the Arvaraad you're a mage.
"You are saarebas? BAS SAAREBAS? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKK!!!"

Fine so it was cliche of me to fall for the unnecessarily deep voice and the over-the-top chiseled torso, that and the fact that they're the only guys in the game who are not shorter than/the same height as my Hawke (very cliche of me I'm aware), not to mention they're just about the only ones willing to show some skin--Where are the burqas in DA2, I might as well put them on.

[The Angry One]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Phft. There are times that Qunari make Seamus look positively macho, like when you tell the Arvaraad you're a mage.
"You are saarebas? BAS SAAREBAS? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKK!!!"

I found it weird that the Arishok is just unmoved by the fact that you're a mage, so is Sten. But that guy freaks out.

Again, seems like Bioware wanted to throw in as much combat as possible.

Clearly Hawke was using the demons through his/her mouth to mesmerize the Arishok.

Camenae wrote...

Fine so it was cliche of me to fall for the unnecessarily deep voice and the over-the-top chiseled torso, that and the fact that they're the only guys in the game who are not shorter than/the same height as my Hawke (very cliche of me I'm aware), not to mention they're just about the only ones willing to show some skin--Where are the burqas in DA2, I might as well put them on.

You scare me.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 avril 2011 - 04:45 .

[Curlain]

Camenae wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Phft. There are times that Qunari make Seamus look positively macho, like when you tell the Arvaraad you're a mage.
"You are saarebas? BAS SAAREBAS? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKK!!!"

Fine so it was cliche of me to fall for the unnecessarily deep voice and the over-the-top chiseled torso, that and the fact that they're the only guys in the game who are not shorter than/the same height as my Hawke (very cliche of me I'm aware), not to mention they're just about the only ones willing to show some skin--Where are the burqas in DA2, I might as well put them on.

Burqas come with the next DLC 

[Herr Uhl]

The Angry One wrote...
Phft. There are times that Qunari make Seamus look positively macho, like when you tell the Arvaraad you're a mage.
"You are saarebas? BAS SAAREBAS? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKK!!!"

I can't blame the Arvaraad for being freaked out after poking the mages of Kirkwall searching for the Saarebas.

[Camenae]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Phft. There are times that Qunari make Seamus look positively macho, like when you tell the Arvaraad you're a mage.
"You are saarebas? BAS SAAREBAS? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKK!!!"

I can't blame the Arvaraad for being freaked out after poking the mages of Kirkwall searching for the Saarebas.

Did he say what his plan was for himself and his buddies?  I guess those who teleported in halfway through the fight didn't ever hear Saarebas and yours truly Ms. Bas-Saarebas talk.  But was the Arvaraad planning to commit ritual seppuku along with his guys after the fight or what?  Cuz they all heard us talk.

[The Angry One]

Camenae wrote...

Did he say what his plan was for himself and his buddies?  I guess those who teleported in halfway through the fight didn't ever hear Saarebas and yours truly Ms. Bas-Saarebas talk.  But was the Arvaraad planning to commit ritual seppuku along with his guys after the fight or what?  Cuz they all heard us talk.

Probably.
Then again, "death by Hawke" probably counts as suicide in Kirkwall and among the Qun by now.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Did he say what his plan was for himself and his buddies?  I guess those who teleported in halfway through the fight didn't ever hear Saarebas and yours truly Ms. Bas-Saarebas talk.  But was the Arvaraad planning to commit ritual seppuku along with his guys after the fight or what?  Cuz they all heard us talk.

Probably.
Then again, "death by Hawke" probably counts as suicide in Kirkwall and among the Qun by now.

And "career suicide by Isabela" would likely also become a norm.

[Arppis]

Camenae wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Camenae wrote...

Mm that would still be a no to me then. No Qun for me...thanks... : /

SUBMIT!

Whoa!! ...*cough* don't know what happened there...

That reminds me, I do like Qunari dudes, they just seem so much...manlier than the average "bas" guy? :X I personally don't get the appeal of Seamus and that Seneschal Bran guy.  That hair...I didn't even like Fenris until he pushed me into the wall.  

But if I can only fraternize with them when I'm told to, then that doesn't do me much good does it?  Plus what if the Ben-what'sherface decides that I'm best suited for the role of a nun???  I'd go Tal-Valshoth over that.

It is rather strange that there is no actual "macho man" in DA games for LI.



SUPER... MACHO! MAAAAAAAN!



Punch-Out is just brilliant.

Modifié par Arppis, 04 avril 2011 - 04:59 .

[Addai]

The Angry One wrote...

I don't buy that "Har! We were invincible! But we withdrew because we felt like it/teh poor bas were dying/we didn't need the land anyway!" nonsense.
They started the war. Obviously they felt a need to expand. The Qun demands it after all. Given their performance in DA2, I just don't find that "barely scratched" line credible.

Regardless, no matter how belligerent or strong the mighty Qun is, no nation is going to want to go to war because a military leader who's been absent for 4 years suddenly decides he wants to smash heads. Since when is it the Arishok's "role" to decide the overall fate of the Qun anyway? He is just the "body", his is to follow the instructions of the "mind" and the "soul".

Fenris tells you that in his opinion, the only reason the Qunari haven't taken over Tevinter is because they don't want to, and that if they did want to, the Tevinters would fall.  That's not to say the rest of Thedas would, but it does suggest that one character who has seen that part of Thedas firsthand does believe they are as mighty as they claim.

[AshenEndymion]

The Angry One wrote...

It's also a 300 year old account, enough time for myth and legend to come up around the event.
And while nobody in DA2 is particularily competent, the Arishok is still at the bottom, his rank stupidity makes Dougal Gavorn look like a tactical genius.

I find all permeatations and decisions of Anders to be infinately more stupid than any decision the Arishok makes.  So opinions vary...

It wasn't a good decision at all.
Again, he could've left the city. The Qunari can survive without food and water for long periods so that isn't an issue. The Dalish are harassed because they're percieved as weak.
The Tal-Vashoth operate with impunity until Hawke deals with them, and then only because that dwarf wants you to to impress the Arishok.

That really depends on what you think is a good decision, doesn't it?  I think it would have been a good decision to use the Qunari explosives to level the city and its surrounding area and search the rubble for the book.  They certainly would have found it in a shorter period of time than 4 years, and could have been on their way.

And again, why leave the city?  There is no reason for doing so.  There is no benefit to the Qunari.  Leaving the city only takes the Qunari away from their current location, with no progress on the overall goal (retrieving the book) and is utterly pointless.  The Bas of Kirkwall are not considered a threat to the Qunari.  Only an annoyance.  An annoyance that is tolerated by the Qunari because it would likely be counterproductive to remove the annoyance while still searching for the book.  At the point that the book leaves Kirkwall, however, it becomes best to remove the annoyance and wait for word on the book.  Leaving the city doesn't help the Qunari in any way, and would be the dumbest move of all of them, because it doesn't have a single benefit to the Qunari...  Only to the Bas of Kirkwall.

[The Angry One]

Addai67 wrote...

Fenris tells you that in his opinion, the only reason the Qunari haven't taken over Tevinter is because they don't want to, and that if they did want to, the Tevinters would fall.  That's not to say the rest of Thedas would, but it does suggest that one character who has seen that part of Thedas firsthand does believe they are as mighty as they claim.

Or he just hates the Magisters that much.
You can't seriously claim that the Qunari are in a stalemate over Seheron because they feel like it.

[The Angry One]

AshenEndemion wrote...

That really depends on what you think is a good decision, doesn't it?  I think it would have been a good decision to use the Qunari explosives to level the city and its surrounding area and search the rubble for the book.  They certainly would have found it in a shorter period of time than 4 years, and could have been on their way.

And again, why leave the city?  There is no reason for doing so.  There is no benefit to the Qunari.  Leaving the city only takes the Qunari away from their current location, with no progress on the overall goal (retrieving the book) and is utterly pointless.  The Bas of Kirkwall are not considered a threat to the Qunari.  Only an annoyance.  An annoyance that is tolerated by the Qunari because it would likely be counterproductive to remove the annoyance while still searching for the book.  At the point that the book leaves Kirkwall, however, it becomes best to remove the annoyance and wait for word on the book.  Leaving the city doesn't help the Qunari in any way, and would be the dumbest move of all of them, because it doesn't have a single benefit to the Qunari...  Only to the Bas of Kirkwall.

Again, risking war without consulting the Triumverate is stupid.
And if the Arishok didn't consider the bas of Kirkwall a threat, then he is stupid. His position in the keep was indefensible. If Hawke hadn't removed him, then Meredith's forces would have, or the circle.
And in the infinitely low possibility that the Arishok's limited forces held out against the guard, the Templars and the mages, the Chantry response would've flattened him.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...
His position in the keep was indefensible. If Hawke hadn't removed him, then Meredith's forces would have, or the circle.
And in the infinitely low possibility that the Arishok's limited forces held out against the guard, the Templars and the mages, the Chantry response would've flattened him.

Hence the taking of the nobility hostage.

[The Angry One]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
His position in the keep was indefensible. If Hawke hadn't removed him, then Meredith's forces would have, or the circle.
And in the infinitely low possibility that the Arishok's limited forces held out against the guard, the Templars and the mages, the Chantry response would've flattened him.

Hence the taking of the nobility hostage.

Given Meredith bursts in with her troops with no subtlety whatsoever it seems that wasn't as much of a bargaining position as the Arishok thought it was.

Edit: and if the Arishok knows his history he should know the Chantry doesn't give a toss about collateral damage.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 avril 2011 - 05:55 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
His position in the keep was indefensible. If Hawke hadn't removed him, then Meredith's forces would have, or the circle.
And in the infinitely low possibility that the Arishok's limited forces held out against the guard, the Templars and the mages, the Chantry response would've flattened him.

Hence the taking of the nobility hostage.

Given Meredith bursts in with her troops with no subtlety whatsoever it seems that wasn't as much of a bargaining position as the Arishok thought it was.

True. The Arishok probably didn't expect Meredith to be that unsubtle (you know, kind of like him). In fact if Orsino didn't remind her, she was just going to storm the place.

I still think that the Arishok should have bombarbed the Gallows with explosives or better yet with biological weapons and make all of them insane, and then (or simultaneously) take the Viscount's palace.

[The Angry One]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
His position in the keep was indefensible. If Hawke hadn't removed him, then Meredith's forces would have, or the circle.
And in the infinitely low possibility that the Arishok's limited forces held out against the guard, the Templars and the mages, the Chantry response would've flattened him.

Hence the taking of the nobility hostage.

Given Meredith bursts in with her troops with no subtlety whatsoever it seems that wasn't as much of a bargaining position as the Arishok thought it was.

True. The Arishok probably didn't expect Meredith to be that unsubtle (you know, kind of like him). In fact if Orsino didn't remind her, she was just going to storm the place.

I still think that the Arishok should have bombarbed the Gallows with explosives or better yet with biological weapons and make all of them insane, and then (or simultaneously) take the Viscount's palace.

Even the lore admits that the Arishok is no tactician, merely the best warrior on the field.
Which is utterly counter-productive if you ask me. If the Arishok can't be the tactician surely there should be a role in the beresaad for someone who is?
Maybe they drowned.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Well I wouldn't say he is no tactician perse. If he gets promoted to officer and higher ranks that have him lead several men or divisions in battle before he becomes Arishok, he would have to deal with tactics on some level. But what I do question is if he is a strategist.

I don't know, all this doesn't make that much sense to me. From Meredith, for no reason, giving mages a chance to barricade themselves, to the Arishok not using his explosives and gas. If they were aiming for honorable, they hit stupid.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 avril 2011 - 06:03 .

[Addai]

The Angry One wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Fenris tells you that in his opinion, the only reason the Qunari haven't taken over Tevinter is because they don't want to, and that if they did want to, the Tevinters would fall.  That's not to say the rest of Thedas would, but it does suggest that one character who has seen that part of Thedas firsthand does believe they are as mighty as they claim.

Or he just hates the Magisters that much.
You can't seriously claim that the Qunari are in a stalemate over Seheron because they feel like it.

Why can't I?  They are a highly ordered society and are motivated by something other than pure survival instinct or greed.  These are people who override the basic survival instinct out of ingrained discipline to an ideology.  If they do that as individuals (as we see with Ketojan), it's not a stretch to think that they do so as a society, too.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 avril 2011 - 06:03 .

[The Angry One]

Addai67 wrote...

Why can't I?  They are a highly ordered society and are motivated by something other than pure survival instinct or greed.  These are people who override the basic survival instinct out of ingrained discipline to an ideology.  If they do that as individuals (as we see with Ketojan), it's not a stretch to think that they do so as a society, too.

They have settlements on Seheron. They clearly want the island.
Sharing it with a force that is hostile to you is inefficient. You will lose people and resources to attacks, and it lets the Fog Warriors stay in between and undermine both sides.
Taking the island would serve the Qun's needs far better, I therefore conclude that they can't. I love Fenris, but he's biased as hell. He refuses to see any merit in anything Tevinter does to the point he doesn't remember he was the one who wanted the markings.

[Camenae]

Here comes my sidetracking-question-of-the-hour again, enlighten me, o great (and angry) ones: what exactly are fog warriors??? Tal-vashoth or Seheron aborigines?

[AngelicMachinery]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well I wouldn't say he is no tactician perse. If he gets promoted to officer and higher ranks that have him lead several men or divisions in battle before he becomes Arishok, he would have to deal with tactics on some level. But what I do question is if he is a strategist.

I don't know, all this doesn't make that much sense to me. From Meredith, for no reason, giving mages a chance to barricade themselves, to the Arishok not using his explosives and gas. If they were aiming for honorable, they hit stupid.

Are we even sure he got promoted?  From what I understand of the Qun (Which might not be much) Didn't someone just say, this kid is going to be Arishok.  No if's and or butts.

[KnightofPhoenix]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Are we even sure he got promoted?  From what I understand of the Qun (Which might not be much) Didn't someone just say, this kid is going to be Arishok.  No if's and or butts.

No. If Herr would be so kind to share the link which I don't have (and am too lazy to find), Mary Kirby (the one who writes the Qunari IIRC) said that there are promotions within each caste. The Qunari are placed in each caste because of their ability and / or gender. But within that caste, they get promoted based on merit. They just don't have the choice to do somethign else.

I forgot whether each Qunari can choose which part of the army he wants to serve in.

I highly, highly doubt that a 12 year old is chosen to the Arishok.

[The Angry One]

Camenae wrote...

Here comes my sidetracking-question-of-the-hour again, enlighten me, o great (and angry) ones: what exactly are fog warriors??? Tal-vashoth or Seheron aborigines?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/6917846

[AshenEndymion]

The Angry One wrote...

Again, risking war without consulting the Triumverate is stupid.
And if the Arishok didn't consider the bas of Kirkwall a threat, then he is stupid. His position in the keep was indefensible. If Hawke hadn't removed him, then Meredith's forces would have, or the circle.
And in the infinitely low possibility that the Arishok's limited forces held out against the guard, the Templars and the mages, the Chantry response would've flattened him.

The Arishok is a third of the Triumverate, so to claim that he has no power whatsoever to take such an action is stupid. He may need to consult the Triumverate, or he may not. We do not know the inner workings of the Triumverate system.

The whole of the Qunari are of the opinion that the Bas are incapable of standing up against the might of the Qun. Sten of Origins believes this. He thinks that the Warden would be capable of felling a great number of Qunari in his/her effort, but he still believes the Warden would fail.

Even disregarding that, if the Arishok doesn't consider the Bas of Kirkwall a threat he is rather smart. Can you name a Bas in Kirkwall (save for Hawke) who actually was a threat to the whole of the Qunari? Meredith's forces, nor the Circle mages, had done no significant damage in their efforts to stop the Qunari. They may have done so in the future, but their efforts at the time are do not reflect that assessment. It is hard to take the claim that they would have performed better in the future, without proof, seriously.

It should also be noted that the Grand Cleric was not taken to the Keep. It could be that the Templars were protecting her very well. It could be that the Arishok is smarter than you give him credit, and he knows that killing the Grand Cleric would bring a Chantry response sooner than just taking the city while leaving her(and the Chantry) alive and unharmed. Since we don't ever get to look over near the Chantry, we cannot see the situation. So either option is possible.

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Are we even sure he got promoted?  From what I understand of the Qun (Which might not be much) Didn't someone just say, this kid is going to be Arishok.  No if's and or butts.

No. If Herr would be so kind to share the link which I don't have (and am too lazy to find), Mary Kirby (the one who writes the Qunari IIRC) said that there are promotions within each caste. The Qunari are placed in each caste because of their ability and / or gender. But within that caste, they get promoted based on merit. They just don't have the choice to do somethign else.

I forgot whether each Qunari can choose which part of the army he wants to serve in.

I highly, highly doubt that a 12 year old is chosen to the Arishok.

Here, have a link to earlier in the thread.