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[ThomasBlaine]

Sheogorath27 wrote...

I liked Hawke, Just as essential as the warden really, a catalyst that let the events unfold. Why rage about an rpg protaginost anyways, pc isnt going to be as well rounded as an npc simply because you control him and thus he varies. It was a fun game and he was just a vessel to move it along. Same as the warden and random people in elder scrolls and any other rpg out there.

How is ANY of this relevant to the subject? And it's funny, for every "raging" butthurt fan who posts a trivial and pretty easily ignored complaint, there's a self-righteous, self-important and unoriginal ********** who, utterly bereft of imagination or common sense, decides that, because he can somewhat convince himself that his sense of objective reasoning remains flawless, his opinion -which more often than not consists of a poorly thought-through deconstruction of some such criticism- inherently must be far above the "raging" norm, and thus wisdom worth imparting to any posters in any thread, no matter the lack of relevance or disruption of sensible discussion.

Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 05 avril 2011 - 08:44 .

[Volourn]

"your fanboyism on numerous threads is geting old. the warden is special for what he does and becomes. hawke is a catalyst. simple as that."

YTour DA1 fanboyism is disguting my friend. DA1 is not perfect. And, stating the fact that the only reason GW is special is because he's the PC is nothing but fact. Stop being such a fanboy! Go play that overrated KOTOR game to see what a truly special protagonist is. R00fles!

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Haexpane wrote...

You can't have an AWESOME VISCERAL game without a BEARDED BADD ASS with a cheeseball 1980s nickname now can you?

His canon first name would have to be Chad, Chad Hawke, quarterback of the Lothering Football team. He could wear his football pads in combat over his Member's Only jacket while bashing Darkspawn with an electric guitar. Twisted Sister would of course do the sound track and the main plot could be about freeing Hawke's dad from a Darkspawn camp by stealing a Dragon (Falcor) from a military base with the help of his meddling teenaged friends and of course Louis Gosset Jr. Oh, and Flemmeth would be replaced by the Michael Jackson's Moonwalker character and Pepsi product placement would be everywhere.

Actually this sounds like fun, or at least better than the current DA 2.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

DoNotIngest wrote...

...And what makes the Warden any different? They're an unknown who is lucky enough to get through the joining, and then travel around doing favors for different races/organizations, quite similarly to how Hawke does his jobs, rescues, demon/dragon hunting, etc. You could say the Warden was important because they saved Thedas from the Blight and killed a big dragon; However, Alistair or even Loghain could very well be the ones to do the job for you, so what makes you so special? You have a few notches in your belt and some stories you can begin with "No ****, there I was... It was THIS big!"

It was a deathblow... Alistair/Loghain didn't kill the archdemon by themselves. It's pretty obvious that what your Warden does IS big: placing TWO kings, not one, on the throne for different cultures... saving the Arl, finding what is possibly the most important relic of a religion... etc., his/her actions have a definitive effect on Ferelden and even Thedas, as the Blight could have spread elsewhere were he not able to stop it. Mage vs. templars -- I could see that happen regardless of Hawke's involvement. Even if he did get involved, it sounds more like he messed things up instead of restore order.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 05 avril 2011 - 07:19 .

[neppakyo]

Volourn wrote...

YTour DA1 fanboyism is disguting my friend. DA1 is not perfect. And, stating the fact that the only reason GW is special is because he's the PC is nothing but fact. Stop being such a fanboy! Go play that overrated KOTOR game to see what a truly special protagonist is. R00fles!

There was a DA1? Did I miss a game?

Thats one of my peeves about it being called DA2. They couldn't think of a sub-title like DA: Origins.

Maybe DA: Fedex, or DA: Prison. I'm sure someone else can think of something funnier similar to Yahtzee.

[Javanaut]

 Because nothing screams, Bad*** more than a middle-aged man with Beiber hair and a neckerchief

(sighs, leaves the room)

Modifié par Javanaut, 05 avril 2011 - 07:23 .

[Volourn]

"Thats one of my peeves about it being called DA2. They couldn't think of a sub-title like DA: Origins."

DA's subtitle was alame cop out that was only added after EA took over. It did not need a subtitle. DA1 works absolutely fine.

[ThomasBlaine]

Volourn wrote...

YTour DA1 fanboyism is disguting my friend. DA1 is not perfect. And, stating the fact that the only reason GW is special is because he's the PC is nothing but fact. Stop being such a fanboy! Go play that overrated KOTOR game to see what a truly special protagonist is. R00fles!

Hm, It's more like the characters inherently are *important* in some way, and then we play from their POV, because they have a predefined role in whatever plot is rolling.
Anyway, we're discussing the dysjunction in what importance Bioware and in-game NPCs meta-advertises Hawke with, and what difference he actually makes in the game, not why PCs inherently have essensial roles.
Now, If you're ready to discuss rationally on the subject then please do so, if not, **** off.

Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 05 avril 2011 - 07:35 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

neppakyo wrote...

There was a DA1? Did I miss a game?

Thats one of my peeves about it being called DA2. They couldn't think of a sub-title like DA: Origins.

Maybe DA: Fedex, or DA: Prison. I'm sure someone else can think of something funnier similar to Yahtzee.

My preference has always been "Dragon Age: Hawke's Big Score." Too bad they didn't take the reccomendation during their development blitz for the game.

I never liked the DA 2 title at all for several reasons, one being the reason you mentioned. It implies that it is a sequel because of the numeral two. It's basic counting that sheep herders thousands of years ago could of explained on a trip to the market to barter. If you have two of something, then that object is of a very similar or the same value. Without placing too much judgement between games, Dragon Age: Origins does not equal Dragon Age 2 and vica versa. 

Let's face it, the title of Dragon Age 2 is also very dull, Origins left people wondering what it might be a reference to, it was a hook to draw people in. While not necessarily an ingenius device, it served a purpose and was better than just slapping an inappropriate and overly used numeral on the product's franchise name. Obviously they couldn't put Dragon Age: Origins 2 since there was only one origin. It might of been best if they just used that, settling on Dragon Age: Origin. 

The lack of consistancy in title releases is rampant in Hollywood, perhaps Bioware's attempt at making DA 2 more "cinematic" (one of my least favorite overused "buzz words")  also influenced their title selection? It just makes a pain for fans of a series to try and refer to the games by their titles later on, if Dragon Age has several future release titles. If there are please don't make them like the Rambo, Halloween, Jaws, or Rocky titles.

[Volourn]

Speaking about being irrational. Bottom line is both Hawke and GW are special because they are the PC. Theya re made important to the story because they are the P and therefore are the protagonist since the action of the game centers around them.

Afterall, even in DA1, it's amde clear that the GW character could be anyone from a dwarf nobl to a dwarf commonor to a mage stuck in the tower to an elven slave. Nothing that makes the character unique other than the PC. If you paid attention while playing DA1 the game even mentions so and so that ended up dying (see the dwarf commoners' friend you meet up with in the Carta cells who talks about his old buddy).

Deal with it. GW is no more special than the Hawkester is.


"My preference has always been "Dragon Age: Hawke's Big Score."

Okay. Your other silliness aside, I laughed at this.

Modifié par Volourn, 05 avril 2011 - 07:42 .

[wright1978]

Hawke's influence is generally on the companions around him which then can affect events. His influence on Merrill can have profound effect on her and on the Dalish. Similarly his impact with the Arishok is similarly personal judgement call. Equally the final choice is a murky grey one and he can't effect the fact it is going to be a messy one. He's like a ship in a storm, trying to avoid being sunk by events. He can still be a hero but just a more realistic human one.

The Warden's choices were so big and epic that at times he comes across as a figure of myth and not a real person. Imagine trying to convince someone that over a space of a couple of months one person found the most sacred religious relic, found the lost golem forge, chose the dwarven king, saved the king's uncle, decided the fate of the werewolves and dalish, decided the future human king and oh killed the archdemon and ended the blight. They wouln't believe it. If you are building a world where you are going to base further sequels you don't want to create an another figure like that.

[ThomasBlaine]

Volourn wrote...

Speaking about being irrational. Bottom line is both Hawke and GW are special because they are the PC. Theya re made important to the story because they are the P and therefore are the protagonist since the action of the game centers around them.

Afterall, even in DA1, it's amde clear that the GW character could be anyone from a dwarf nobl to a dwarf commonor to a mage stuck in the tower to an elven slave. Nothing that makes the character unique other than the PC. If you paid attention while playing DA1 the game even mentions so and so that ended up dying (see the dwarf commoners' friend you meet up with in the Carta cells who talks about his old buddy).

Deal with it. GW is no more special than the Hawkester is.

Huh? Who the hell said the Warden was any more "special" that Hawke? The entire point is that praise and credit given for action is far more accurately due to the Warden, while Hawke's is hyped up and frankly doesn't make sense.
You're far off topic and pretty annoying too, stop posting if you're not a childish, singleminded imecile.

[SoR82]

Volourn wrote...

Deal with it. GW is no more special than the Hawkester is.

Hawkester?.... dear lord

[ThomasBlaine]

SoR82 wrote...

Volourn wrote...

Deal with it. GW is no more special than the Hawkester is.

Hawkester?.... dear lord

Don't incourage him

[expanding panic]

Ahhh what a surprise! Another DA2 hate thread. Shocker.

It's funny I remember a lot of people saying they wanted someone new in DA2 because they were sick of the Warden. Be careful what you ask for.

Now to answer the question Hawk may not have started as anythign important but he is the center of what has happened with the mages. He didn't start a war but he picked the winning side. ANd therefore is more powerful among the winning side and more powerful in the world.

I think your forgetting that while the Warden saved the world from a Blight Hawk has changed the world forever. For better or worse Hawks decisions will shape the world for years to come. While the warden's really doesn't change the world all that much.
Hawk either made the Mages a lot more powerful allowing them to stand up for themselves and diminish the Power of the Chantry and the Templars drastically or vise versa.
What does the warden really do? He saved the world from an Archdemon who we know really existed however many people believe that it was not a true blight. The warden has the option of the God Child but we don't know if that will affect the world or not. We are assuming it will but don't know for sure. Unlike Hawk who we know will change the world.

Did I miss anything?

[ThomasBlaine]

expanding panic wrote...

Ahhh what a surprise! Another DA2 hate thread. Shocker.

It's funny I remember a lot of people saying they wanted someone new in DA2 because they were sick of the Warden. Be careful what you ask for.

Now to answer the question Hawk may not have started as anythign important but he is the center of what has happened with the mages. He didn't start a war but he picked the winning side. ANd therefore is more powerful among the winning side and more powerful in the world.

I think your forgetting that while the Warden saved the world from a Blight Hawk has changed the world forever. For better or worse Hawks decisions will shape the world for years to come. While the warden's really doesn't change the world all that much.
Hawk either made the Mages a lot more powerful allowing them to stand up for themselves and diminish the Power of the Chantry and the Templars drastically or vise versa.
What does the warden really do? He saved the world from an Archdemon who we know really existed however many people believe that it was not a true blight. The warden has the option of the God Child but we don't know if that will affect the world or not. We are assuming it will but don't know for sure. Unlike Hawk who we know will change the world.

Did I miss anything?

...Yeah, the bottom line of the OP, and the general point of the thread. This is really getting tiresome...
Given the tone of your post and its context, I find it very fitting that your chosen avatar is young Lady Lawson, to be honest.

Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 05 avril 2011 - 08:40 .

[Astranagant]

The fact that Hawke is the protaganist, of course.

Also, if the bodycount racked up over the course of the game is anything to go by, Thedas' most prolific serial killer.

Modifié par Astranagant, 05 avril 2011 - 08:42 .

[ThomasBlaine]

Astranagant wrote...

The fact that Hawke is the protaganist, of course.

Also, if the bodycount racked up over the course of the game is anything to go by, Thedas' most prolific serial killer.

Hehe, what does that make a high-level WOW character? Re-spawned kills doesn't count, and even then I actually think the Warden would take the cake. Spawned filler-enemies aside, Origins had at least twice as many hostiles

Thank you, we're well aware of that by now, the issue is, does his actions in-game justify the hype he gets both meta and from NPCs?

Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 05 avril 2011 - 08:59 .

[Thetri]

I see Hawke as the Commander Shepard of Dragon Age. He is most likely taking over as the main character of Dragon Age. We will see him join the Wardens and save Thedas from a blight.

[Volourn]

"Also, if the bodycount racked up over the course of the game is anything to go by, Thedas' most prolific serial killer."

I dunno. I think the Warden would argue that he deserves that title as welll...

[1000questions]

Volourn wrote...

"Also, if the bodycount racked up over the course of the game is anything to go by, Thedas' most prolific serial killer."

I dunno. I think the Warden would argue that he deserves that title as welll...

Ofcourse you should call a character a serial killer who saves a village, who saves its country from annihilation instead of an errand mercenary who brought the world to a war between Mages and templars ... though he cant be given all the credit since his decisions didnt made any impact

[ThomasBlaine]

1000questions wrote...

Volourn wrote...

"Also, if the bodycount racked up over the course of the game is anything to go by, Thedas' most prolific serial killer."

I dunno. I think the Warden would argue that he deserves that title as welll...

Ofcourse you should call a character a serial killer who saves a village, who saves its country from annihilation instead of an errand mercenary who brought the world to a war between Mages and templars ... though he cant be given all the credit since his decisions didnt made any impact

Heh, I've had Wardens who utterly and truly deserve the titel of serial killer, no doubt.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Oh man, I know alot of people these days are rediculously politically correct and somehow take pride in it but if people start chanting "Darkspawn are people too...they are just misunderstood!" I'm going to toss my lunch.

[N.genova]

 I think hawke (we like it or not ) will be the (shepard) of dragon age so he might stay for the futures dragon ages to come,beside didnt that divine chick said that they need to find him cause war is about to start? and verric might help them to find him? DLC? or da 3 dont know but hawke stays i think...my view xd

[Volourn]

Nah, there'll be a nw characetr in DA3 most likely.