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[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

N.genova wrote...

 I think hawke (we like it or not ) will be the (shepard) of dragon age so he might stay for the futures dragon ages to come,beside didnt that divine chick said that they need to find him cause war is about to start? and verric might help them to find him? DLC? or da 3 dont know but hawke stays i think...my view xd

Yikes, I'm deffinitely waiting for the next Bioware franchise then if they are sticking with Hawke.

[mando69]

N.genova wrote...

 I think hawke (we like it or not ) will be the (shepard) of dragon age so he might stay for the futures dragon ages to come,beside didnt that divine chick said that they need to find him cause war is about to start? and verric might help them to find him? DLC? or da 3 dont know but hawke stays i think...my view xd

I prefer Hawke's story continue in an expansion. Someone more awesome needs to be protagonist in DA3. 

[1000questions]

ThomasBlaine wrote...

Heh, I've had Wardens who utterly and truly deserve the titel of serial killer, no doubt.

They are your wardens not mine ! Simple

but with Hawke can you really say that , think about it:innocent:

[Volourn]

My first hawke was a nice guy who spared who he could.. except for the punk Anders.

My second Hawke won't be so nice.

[N.genova]

 I want my elve-dwarf-human back for dragon age 3...make hawke a companion or an important npc or wtf

[N.genova]

*Volourn* i killed anders in my sec playthrough lol....+ before talking to orsio i got 2 hot kiss from isabella and merrill one after the other xd ( would like to see a cat fight here lol) since i romance isabella and said i loved her lol hahahahaha

[The Train]

DoNotIngest wrote...

...And what makes the Warden any different? They're an unknown who is lucky enough to get through the joining, and then travel around doing favors for different races/organizations, quite similarly to how Hawke does his jobs, rescues, demon/dragon hunting, etc. You could say the Warden was important because they saved Thedas from the Blight and killed a big dragon; However, Alistair or even Loghain could very well be the ones to do the job for you, so what makes you so special? You have a few notches in your belt and some stories you can begin with "No ****, there I was... It was THIS big!", but aside from that, they're not that different.

Besides, if Hawke hadn't accompanied Anders to the Chantry, he probably would have been slaughtered, averting the whole fiasco; Unless somebody thinks, what, twenty Templar mage-hunters would have been put down by a single possessed apostate in their planned ambush?

Alistair could never have done it -- he's not a leader.  Duncan dies.  All the other Wardens in Ferelden are wiped out.  To wait for Wardens from Orlais would mean there'd be no Ferelden left to defend and even if there were it's debateable as to whether or not Orlais would re-assert control over Ferelden at that time.  Loghain couldn't do the job because he isn't a Warden and hence cannot slay an arch-demon.  You're the Warden who unites Ferelden against the arch-demon and it's really hard to see how it would have turned out the same with your Warden present.  I really don't see the similarity between the Warden and Hawke.

[addu2urmanapool]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

ThomasBlaine wrote...


What makes Hawke important enough to develop even one, let alone two games about?

After setting off the war, however it happens, Hawke really doesn't have any logical relevance to Thedas as a whole. The most important thing he does in the game is to keep Anders around in time to nuke the Chantry, at which point he's just another skilled fighter/apostate with a bit of money to his name and a reputation, either hated or respected by the Templars of Kirkwall.

Whereas the Warden is, you guessed it, a Grey Warden, and thus at least moderately essential to the safety of the people besides being the hero of Ferelden, Hawke is a shortly formulated borderline retard with nothing but a few bets placed in the coming war.

Desipte this, Bioware/EA advertises HAWKE as the ultimate hero and has decided that he's the one they want to build future games on, no justification whatsoever, seemingly because they expected the players to share their enthusiasm with him.

My biggest problem is exactly that, Hawke is treated as the Messiah of Thedas by Laidlaw, Bioware, and almost every major character in the game, while the only event in DA2 with any real importance to the overall state of the world -the start of the mage/templar war- had almost nothing to do with him, and would quite likely have unfolded whether he was there or not.

Did I miss something, or is this just weird and confusing, besides a bit unfair?

I agree. This game didn't reall do a good job at demonstrating the necessity of Hawke. In the end, he is just an ordinary man with good fighting skills. Any other person could have been in his shoes and it wouldn't matter.

To top it all off, the framed narrative thing they were hyping about so much ultimately didn't mean anything. Varric only embellishes the story at the beginning  of the game and during Varric's OPTIONAL companion quest in Act 2. Not to mention that the way he tells the story doesn't even keep me interested. For someone who is renowned for storytelling, this is awfully strange.

Good points.

[The Morrigan]

Does it matter? That the world doesn't actually revolve around Hawke, I mean. I get that the marketing yammered on about what a badass she is, but isn't part of the story, certainly from Varric's point of view, that Hawke's legend has been blown out of proportion? It's quite nice to have a protagonist who's supposed to have changed the world through will alone, but actually did it by accident.

Then again, I did feel incredibly helpless with the whole templars vs mages thing. Nothing Hawke can do can stop Orsino and Meredith from tearing each other apart. It kind of happens around you and you keep getting dragged into it and eventually they yell at you until you pick a side. Then Hawke beats the big bad and runs away incredibly dazed and confused.

What is it that Flemeth says at the beginning? "Hurtled into the chaos, you fight... and the world will shake before you." That seems appropriate to me. I think Hawke is an exceptional individual, just not on quite the same level as the Warden. Not yet, anyway.

Having said that, Hawke doesn't seem to even break a sweat when fighting dragons.

[PirateT138]

I will not buy another game with Hawke in it, he is not my character, he makes tons of decisions I have no say in.

And he's the epitome of lame, you never, ever break up a chick-fight, Hawke, you get pudding, but you DO NOT BREAK IT UP, YOU ASS!

[expanding panic]

ThomasBlaine wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

Ahhh what a surprise! Another DA2 hate thread. Shocker.

It's funny I remember a lot of people saying they wanted someone new in DA2 because they were sick of the Warden. Be careful what you ask for.

Now to answer the question Hawk may not have started as anythign important but he is the center of what has happened with the mages. He didn't start a war but he picked the winning side. ANd therefore is more powerful among the winning side and more powerful in the world.

I think your forgetting that while the Warden saved the world from a Blight Hawk has changed the world forever. For better or worse Hawks decisions will shape the world for years to come. While the warden's really doesn't change the world all that much.
Hawk either made the Mages a lot more powerful allowing them to stand up for themselves and diminish the Power of the Chantry and the Templars drastically or vise versa.
What does the warden really do? He saved the world from an Archdemon who we know really existed however many people believe that it was not a true blight. The warden has the option of the God Child but we don't know if that will affect the world or not. We are assuming it will but don't know for sure. Unlike Hawk who we know will change the world.

Did I miss anything?

...Yeah, the bottom line of the OP, and the general point of the thread. This is really getting tiresome...
Given the tone of your post and its context, I find it very fitting that your chosen avatar is young Lady Lawson, to be honest.

So your saying I match my Avatar because I am logical and see there is a possibility of why Hawk can be the Ultimate Hero that Bioware tried to make him sound like. Good point. If thats the case then I'd have to agree. But then you previous post doesn't make much sense does it? 
What's getting real tiresome is all the Hate threads going around. 

[QQNwizard]

Is it just me, or is this thread full of posts where Thomas Blaine comes in looking all butthurt whenever someone says anything remotely positive about Hawke/DA2, bashing them for having that opinion (which, just like your own argument, Thomas, is an opinion), and then emphatically agreeing with everyone else who says that Hawke is a failure?

I hate Hawke as much as the next guy, and would see him die in a pit for the next Dragon Age, but good god stop being so defensive and close-minded.

Modifié par QQNwizard, 06 avril 2011 - 12:26 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

DoNotIngest wrote...

...And what makes the Warden any different? They're an unknown who is lucky enough to get through the joining, and then travel around doing favors for different races/organizations, quite similarly to how Hawke does his jobs, rescues, demon/dragon hunting, etc. You could say the Warden was important because they saved Thedas from the Blight and killed a big dragon; However, Alistair or even Loghain could very well be the ones to do the job for you, so what makes you so special? You have a few notches in your belt and some stories you can begin with "No ****, there I was... It was THIS big!", but aside from that, they're not that different.

Besides, if Hawke hadn't accompanied Anders to the Chantry, he probably would have been slaughtered, averting the whole fiasco; Unless somebody thinks, what, twenty Templar mage-hunters would have been put down by a single possessed apostate in their planned ambush?

Hawke and the Warden aren't in the same league.

Without the Warden Ferelden is overrun and destroyed by the Darkspawn.

Perhaps the Blight would have been defeated by some other Grey Warden elsewhere, but not before Ferelden had been lost. Alistair would have failed without the Warden because he at least initially, lacks the necessary leadership ability. Loghain would have failed for obvious reasons: He was convinced the Orlesians rather than the Darkspawn were Ferelden's greatest enemy, and only becomes a Warden if it is forced on him by the player.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 06 avril 2011 - 02:19 .

[corebit]

Is it even confirmed that Hawke will continue as the protagonist in DA3?

The Dragon Age series seem to follow the trend of a different main character for each game.

Personally I am tired of both the Warden and Hawke's story. I believe they are done and their personal stories should be put to rest.

DA series does not have to have a persistent hero like ME Shepard. Time to tell a new story for a new hero.

Modifié par corebit, 06 avril 2011 - 02:57 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

corebit wrote...

Is it even confirmed that Hawke will continue as the protagonist in DA3?

The Dragon Age series seem to follow the trend of a different main character for each game.

Personally I am tired of both the Warden and Hawke's story. I believe they are done and their personal stories should be put to rest.

DA series does not have to have a persistent hero like ME Shepard. Time to tell a new story for a new hero.

This.

I'm a huge fan of the Mass Effect series, but I wouldn't want Dragon Age to mimic it. They are different games set in different universes, and I don't think the Dragon Age series needs a single protagonist that you follow from game to game. Part of the fun of not following the same protagonist is that you can play characters with completely different personalities from game to game. Maybe Hawke for example, usually does the exact opposite of what your Warden might have done.

With that in mind I think Hawke's story should be completely wrapped up in DLC or expansions. DA3 should have a new setting outside of the Free Marches, with a new hero.

[panamakira]

I don't think they have said anything about Hawke being in DA3. I for one enjoy that the DA world be about different characters within Thedas. I know the Warden and Hawke have imcomplete stories but I wouldn't mind moving on to someone else's story.

However I somehow see your point that I didn't think Hawke was that important to Thedas as a whole. Stuff would have gone down in Kirkwall with him/her there or not. He just happened to befriend Anders and the next it's history.

I hated NPC calling me Champion though. I enjoyed the game a lot but I did feel a bit defeated by the end of it, which isn't something I can say about DA:O.

[corebit]

DAO: Hero of Ferelden

DA2: Champion of Kirkwall

DA3: Savior of Orlais :happy:

A bit spoilerish, but our beloved Bodahn and Sandal did hint they were ready to move on again to other lands. The next hero will need their services again!

Modifié par corebit, 06 avril 2011 - 05:47 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

More like DA 3, some guy/girl that helped a kitten out of a tree. That scales better but oh, will it be a more "unique" experience!

[Perfect-Kenshin]

corebit wrote...

DAO: Hero of Ferelden

DA2: Champion of Kirkwall

DA3: Savior of Orlais :happy:

A bit spoilerish, but our beloved Bodahn and Sandal did hint they were ready to move on again to other lands. The next hero will need their services again!

I believe Laidaw once commented on the notion of romancing the Orlisian queen, so I'm guessing that DA3 is certainly a possiblity. I'd personal prefer to be in the Tevinter Imperium though. Both the Fereldan and the Free Marches are kind of dull to me, whereas a place which tolerates blood magic would be fascinating with the proper execution.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Victory?

No matter which side you choose, you end up kiling Orsino and Meredith...And there's a lot of templars left (Cullen included). Victorious side?
Varric mentions more templars coming and securing Kirkwall.

Why the hell would that cause all the mage circles to rebel is beyond me - for on, we know that in many other circles, the atmospehre is much better, and that there are a lot of mages who want to stay in the Circles.

So a rebellion in the strictest Circle in Thedas (mind you, even Bethany was content there)...would affect what? Why would all mages rebel?

Act 3 is hte biggest dissaponment ever. Period.

[Zepplin_Rules]

Mr. or Miss. Blood Smear Nose is a pointless character(s).

[Crash_7]

ThomasBlaine wrote...

maegi46 wrote...

Scared, stop posting spoilers in a no spoilers thread FFS dude.

I've already written nummerous spoilers in the OP, let's just be casual about this, If you don't like a bit of foreshadowing then overlook them gently.
Rules aren't there to be followed, but to guide people who are too stupid to think for themselves. Forum protocol is no exception.

You're being very selfish ThomasBlaine.  This is a no spoiler forum.  Assuming you know this: why are you discussing a major plot in this forum.  I'm PMing a mod and asking for this thread to be moved.

[ThomasBlaine]

expanding panic wrote...

So your saying I match my Avatar because I am logical and see there is a possibility of why Hawk can be the Ultimate Hero that Bioware tried to make him sound like. Good point. If thats the case then I'd have to agree. But then you previous post doesn't make much sense does it? 
What's getting real tiresome is all the Hate threads going around. 

Not at all, I'm implying that your post demonstrates a tendency to make quick assumptions and believe them reasonable despite circumstances which you don't care to check out. Much like Miranda imo, but that was just a stray thought
Fist off, I have in the OP stated this not to be a hate-thread, and if you actually read the tread's content you would realise that we're having a pretty sensible discussion, the odd self-righteous bigot aside.
You would also realise that your entire point has very little to do with the subject we're dealing with.
If you read really closely, you might even see that every one of your arguments have been recycled and dealt with nummerous times already.
Still wish to argue a point? Then do so, but get your facts straight and lower yourself to eyelevel.

[ThomasBlaine]

panamakira wrote...

I don't think they have said anything about Hawke being in DA3. I for one enjoy that the DA world be about different characters within Thedas. I know the Warden and Hawke have imcomplete stories but I wouldn't mind moving on to someone else's story.

However I somehow see your point that I didn't think Hawke was that important to Thedas as a whole. Stuff would have gone down in Kirkwall with him/her there or not. He just happened to befriend Anders and the next it's history.

I hated NPC calling me Champion though. I enjoyed the game a lot but I did feel a bit defeated by the end of it, which isn't something I can say about DA:O.

Nothing is confirmed, It was just my first assumption. Why make a predefined main character in an RPG if not to have something consistent to develop sequels on?
As of right now I hope and belive that Bioware will cut their losses and get on with it, but the original point  still stands.

[ThomasBlaine]

Crash_7 wrote...

You're being very selfish ThomasBlaine.  This is a no spoiler forum.  Assuming you know this: why are you discussing a major plot in this forum.  I'm PMing a mod and asking for this thread to be moved.

Why? No one has been hurt yet, and the discussion is functioning alright.
You just quoted me explaining why I'm taking that rule casually.

Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 06 avril 2011 - 09:53 .