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[DAO MAdhatter]

kcman5 wrote...

Yep got to agree, the Warriors had to have help dawning their armor, aka Squires. And when most fell down, wearing Full Plate, they couldn't get back up too easily..Very cumbersome and bulky indeed.

This is a myth. Armor was articlulated to allow very easy movement. & im talking about the medievel period armor. These guys could move as ea sily in there armor as if they were wearing non at all. Im not saying it wouldnt be heavy Im just saying they werenot jsut armored tanks waiding into a fray but rather nimble fighters that could dance around there opponants if they wanted to.

The part about the squires is true but not for the armor being heavy by rather for how many peices they actually needed to put on, chainmail, veriouse plaits & the like. That would be like trying to put on put a puzzle togeather while blindfolded.

Modifié par DAO MAdhatter, 03 avril 2011 - 08:59 .

[kcman5]

Wrong, go google how many people actually drowned due to the fact of their cumbersome plate. Better yet, go dawn a set of full plate and try to swim across a swimming pool if you think it's that light and versatile. I did it for you.. the finest plate worn by noblemen(Finely Tempered Steel) weighed in around 45lbs, but the normal was upwards of 80.

Modifié par kcman5, 03 avril 2011 - 09:05 .

[DAO MAdhatter]

kcman5 wrote...

Wrong, go google how many people actually drowned due to the fact of their cumbersome plate. Better yet, go dawn a set of full plate and try to swim across a swimming pool of you think it's that light and versatile.

I wasnt arguing that. I was arguing that armor was very easy to move in. these guys were quite toned so it was easy for them to move in. though would still get heavy in water as it most clothing.

Anyways... Swords were waighted differently depending on what hey were used for. A claymore is ment to chop enemies to peices while a long sword is ment to slash & stab.

Ya. Geting to the point. Warrior were strong back in the medievel times but were not steriod junkies like what DA 2 makes them out to be. Think of a olimpic athlete with a bit more fat.

[kcman5]

Personally I think the toons were under developed I didn't see any steroid freaks ingame except the Quinari.

[EccentricSage]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

kcman5 wrote...

Yep got to agree, the Warriors had to have help dawning their armor, aka Squires. And when most fell down, wearing Full Plate, they couldn't get back up too easily..Very cumbersome and bulky indeed.

This is a myth. Armor was articlulated to allow very easy movement. & im talking about the medievel period armor. These guys could move as ea sily in there armor as if they were wearing non at all. Im not saying it wouldnt be heavy Im just saying they werenot jsut armored tanks waiding into a fray but rather nimble fighters that could dance around there opponants if they wanted to.

The part about the squires is true but not for the armor being heavy by rather for how many peices they actually needed to put on, chainmail, veriouse plaits & the like. That would be like trying to put on put a puzzle togeather while blindfolded.

Layers of metal plate, chainmail, and thick leather... easy and light weight to move in... first of all, it would really depend upon the exact build of a particular suit of armor.  It would have varried.  Some of it really was built to be an impenitrable tank, and thus took a great deal of muscle and skill to even move in.  Others were more chainmail and thinner fewer plates, more vulnerable, but if built well, and if the warrior is skilled and strong, not too bad to move nimbley in. 

Modifié par EccentricSage, 03 avril 2011 - 09:10 .

[DAO MAdhatter]

EccentricSage wrote...

 but if built well, and if the warrior is skilled and strong, not too bad to move nimbley in. 

My point exactly.

[EccentricSage]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

kcman5 wrote...

Wrong, go google how many people actually drowned due to the fact of their cumbersome plate. Better yet, go dawn a set of full plate and try to swim across a swimming pool of you think it's that light and versatile.

I wasnt arguing that. I was arguing that armor was very easy to move in. these guys were quite toned so it was easy for them to move in. though would still get heavy in water as it most clothing.

Anyways... Swords were waighted differently depending on what hey were used for. A claymore is ment to chop enemies to peices while a long sword is ment to slash & stab.

Ya. Geting to the point. Warrior were strong back in the medievel times but were not steriod junkies like what DA 2 makes them out to be. Think of a olimpic athlete with a bit more fat.

I thought Hawke just looked like a statuesque guy who clearly trained hard.  Look at ancient depictions of gladiators, for example.  They could be pretty huge.  You don't need steroids to build muscle.

I'll agree with those complaining that fem Hawk should have been more buff.  Why are women warriors in videogames always so stupidly waifish?

[EccentricSage]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

 but if built well, and if the warrior is skilled and strong, not too bad to move nimbley in. 

My point exactly.

Only half your point exactly.  There were heavier tank like armors, too.  They existed.  My point is that it varried, just as it varries in game, and one logically has to build muscle the heavier their armor and weapons get.

[kcman5]

Nimble or agile is not what I would describe someone wearing full plate. Being somewhat mobile yes, A ballerina no. Chainmail, scalemale and banded mail is not full plate.

[DAO MAdhatter]

kcman5 wrote...

Nimble or agile is not what I would describe someone wearing full plate. Being somewhat mobile yes, A ballerina no. Chainmail, scalemale and banded mail is not full plate.

Full plate was just as articulated if not more articulated tham the others meaning these guys had full movemnt of there bodies meaning they didnt just wade around like a TANK would.



Do these look cumbersome to wear to you?



This doesnt look bad neither.

Modifié par DAO MAdhatter, 03 avril 2011 - 09:32 .

[randName]

It would have been nice with 2-3 arm/leg models, 1 for Strength 10-20, one from 20-35 and then one above that.

for both sexes.

[DAO MAdhatter]

randName wrote...

It would have been nice with 2-3 arm/leg models, 1 for Strength 10-20, one from 20-35 and then one above that.

for both sexes.

I agree with this.

Oh & I will no longer argue about armor flexabiliy as I am tired of it. I say we all agree to disagree. All armor is easy  enough to move in if one is skilled enough in its use.

[Nightwriter]

... Really? Male Hawke really didn't look that muscular to me. In shape, sure, but honestly, I expect that of anyone who spends that much time running around fighting people.

He certainly didn't look like he was on steroids. In fact it looked like they trimmed down on the male muscles in DA2 considerably. DA:O's models had much more pronounced musculature.

[Ryazan]

Complaining about musculature in a fantasy rpg. Really? Though to be fair, Fenris looks like what you described in the op. And I don't think Hawke looks like a steroid freak, he's slightly bigger than an average dude his age. (going from 20-30's?) They could have made it a lot worse, DA:O's characters looked like bloody greek statues.

[v_ware]

I'm a skinny guy (60kg and 1m87) and I would fit three times in Hawke's chest.


I still think it's hot though.

[Tirigon]

I think Hawke is ugly, no matter the gender.

They should use Merrill as model for Female Hawke and Varric for MaleHawke.

INCLUDING THE CHESTHAIR!!!!!

[nijnij]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Because I guess some of us nerds don't understand it takes alot of muscle mass too use any medival gear..... What the hell does it matter anyway? Your just a stupid troll nitpicking at a game that's already been picked too the bones sell the game back too gamestop and delete your bioware account if you don't like how "muscular" your dude is......

In my defense, I did call it "annoying complaint of the week" in the thread title, not sure I deserve the "stupid troll" treatment... Sounds like you really wanted to be offended.

[AlexXIV]

What's really annoying is that you people don't play on PC and don't use mods to fix such things.

[Mercannis]

I actually thought that my warrior was way too skinny. The hawke physique reminds me of 90 percent of my friends who are averagely built; while im referred to as the bear..so yeah for me it was exactly the opposite. However it depends purely on your environment and also work , I have a physical labour job im surrounded by other blokes doing labour while a guy who works in an office all day is less robust.
Now game wise we are following a family fighting for their survival, travelling and enduring physical hardships which doesnt result in underfed limpwrist bloke or bloke with sagging beergut.

[Tirigon]

Since when is "bear" a reference to the stature.
I only know it as reference to the amount of body hair. And Hawke definitely doesn´t qualify in that aspect. Serious mistake, by the way. MaleHawke would be so much better with a chest pelt.

[AngelicMachinery]

Tirigon wrote...

Since when is "bear" a reference to the stature.
I only know it as reference to the amount of body hair. And Hawke definitely doesn´t qualify in that aspect. Serious mistake, by the way. MaleHawke would be so much better with a chest pelt.

I always throught it meant a somewhat tall chubby man covered in body hair myself.

[randName]

AlexXIV wrote...

What's really annoying is that you people don't play on PC and don't use mods to fix such things.

Mesh changes are rather bothersome without a toolset; so far we only get reskins, and they can't really fix these things.

[Lotion Soronarr]

1) There were no steroids back then. Warriors were toned, they didn't look like body builders.

2) Plate mail is not cumbersome. Any armor meant for combat was flexible and warriors in it were mobile.

3) Other games provide different body builds. So it's not impossible.

[Byth]

It's because in this world we live in, men have to be muscular and women have to be sexy. Heh, I'd love to see body customization in a bioware game other than SW:TOR.

[Kotetsimaru]

EccentricSage wrote...

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

nijnij wrote...

Hunter Stenwulf wrote...

lol what're you talking about femhawke is pretty curvy like a model or something... she's not 'normal' either.

I don't mean ugly normal, I mean fit but in a normal way. Femhawke doesn't look like she's on steroids, that's what I mean. I just find it cliched that the male character always has to have unnecessarily huge arms. Makes him look more like a guy who spent too much time at the gym than an actual warrior, let alone a mage.

warriors bring heavy swords and heavy armors.....so it's normal for them to have a muscular body.....every medieval movie in the history had muscular warriors....if your problem is about mages...than blame bioware cause they shared the same body model for all classes....

Actually... In real medievel times, armor & swords were quite light. A tipacal browd sword waighed around 3 pounds, while the armor was articulated as to to be very easy to move in. So... Warriors wouldnt of needed muscles for armor but they had them rather as to be able to react faster & fight for longer periods of time.

That depends uppon the type of warrior.  There were knights in the past who did wear very heavy plait and chainmail with heavy leather layers underneath.  Sword size and weight also varries widely depending uppon style of the sword and the style of combat.  You simply can not make a two handed sword weigh 3 lb. and have it be an effective weapon.

What you describe sounds more like the Roman armor, which would be more of a light-to-medium armor and had serious weeknesses if their enemy gets past their heavy sheilds.  They were very susceptable to ambush or to being flanked, and Sparticus and his fellows wiped out an entire army with fire arrows that acted like napalm when they hit the leather under-structure of the armor.

Nope sorry, a full set of plate did not weigh much at all.  It was designed around the person who was wearing it and was fitted perfectly so it was easy to move in.  This whole stigma that there would be people in full plate who had to be lifted onto horses is total bull, it's been disproven hundreds of times. An actual full sized two handed sword though weighed about 2kg (41/2 to 7  pounds) those massive ones that weigh more were made only for ceremonial use and never saw use on the battlefield.