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[kaotician]

Actually, here in Europe, those in power are there because we say so, and when we say otherwise, they're gone. As for the polar bear? He eats what we tell him, when we tell him he can.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Saphra Deden wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

Yes, they take it because they can but let's not forget that as of Mass Effect 2 the turians, salarians and asari combined have a military almost ten times the size of humanity. They could wipe us out without even trying.

No they don't and no they couldn't. If they could curb stomp us that easily they would have. Instead the asari gave up and the turians are only interested in posturing. The salarians have done very little.

A victory for the aliens, assuming they could even achieve one, would be a phyrric one. Nobody wants that and so nobody will go to war.

With that kind of thinking humanity would be on par with the batarians... short-sighted without giving a hint of thought of what might happen, and ultimatley without a military would squeal if their army was lost. Very much the mentality of a scrutinizing disctatorship. Like certain groups today, in the middle east and surrounding areas..

[Ashira Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...
No they don't and no they couldn't. If they could curb stomp us that easily they would have. Instead the asari gave up and the turians are only interested in posturing. The salarians have done very little.

A victory for the aliens, assuming they could even achieve one, would be a phyrric one. Nobody wants that and so nobody will go to war.

Well then that isn't "humans are special" or "humans are superior" at play, that's just plain lazy bull**** on the writers part.

It's not like the other three races are outnumbered by as many times humans are outnumbered by ANTS on earth.

Turians have military might and more dreadnaughts than humans.
Asari have superior biotics and more dreadnaughts than humans.
Salarians have superior intelligence gathering and more dreadnaughts than humans.

The reality of it would be a curbstomp battle; and completely in the alien's favour.

There is absolutely no plausible way that humans could stand up against THREE pissed off species combined.

Point: Hey, remember how GARRUS was the one who managed to grab us the thanix canon? Yeah, because Turians were developing it. They have them. Most likely on their best ships, like say, their just shy of fourty in number dreadnaughts.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 05 avril 2011 - 12:34 .

[kaotician]

Saphra Deden wrote...

kaotician wrote...

Actually, here in Europe, those in power are there because we say so, and when we say otherwise, they're gone. As for the polar bear? He eats what we tell him, when we tell him he can.

I'm sure you really believe that. Maybe after you graduate High School and experience the world you'll grow up a little. I never knew Europeans commanded nature though. Perhaps that's why they are so arrogant and unlikable.

I do, yes. In large part, we have taken our governance back over here, so that the atrocities we've been a part of, in large part by allowing too much power to fall into the hands of too few people, shall hopefully never happen again. Now we need to deal with this new threat, the anti-democratic, quasi-medieval transnational cyberstate environment springing up that we call corporate culture......

As for commanding nature, we have choice, so yes we can.

[Ashira Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...
They can stand up long enough to make victory not worth the cost.

That's why we don't invade North Korea. We could win, but it wouldn't be worth it.

Sure, because its not like the Krogan wouldn't join in, or the Batarians, or anyone else who had anti-human thoughts.

I know Krogan have a thing with the Salarians and Turians, but they could be easily manipulated into thinking the Salarians will cure them of their "terrible, tragic disease" as a bargaining chip. Humans wouldn't be able to make that promise, the only people to come close were just two, and both are Salarians.

Saren doesn't count, his cure is gone and he's dead.

[kaotician]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

There is absolutely no plausible way that humans could stand up against THREE pissed off species combined.

They can stand up long enough to make victory not worth the cost.

That's why we don't invade North Korea. We could win, but it wouldn't be worth it.

Of course. That and the fact they have nukes to fight back with. Unlike thje Vietnamese, who of course lost, even though they had miloitary superiority:D

[kaotician]

Saphra Deden wrote...

kaotician wrote...

I do, yes. In large part, we have taken our governance back over here, so that the atrocities we've been a part of, in large part by allowing too much power to fall into the hands of too few people, shall hopefully never happen again. Now we need to deal with this new threat, the anti-democratic, quasi-medieval transnational cyberstate environment springing up that we call corporate culture......

Actually you have more immediate domestic concerns you should be addressing rather than going on some crusade against capitalism. You won't though, and in 100 years won't have a continent to call your own anymore.

Eh? Like what? And I'm not crusading against capitalism, just the hegemony of a new world elitism...It's the same fight, the devil just changes his clothes every time we throw him back.

[Therefore_I_Am]

michaelrsa wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Actually you have more immediate domestic concerns you should be addressing rather than going on some crusade against capitalism. You won't though, and in 100 years won't have a continent to call your own anymore.

What domestic concerns are you talking about?

I think he means batarians encroaching on Council territory... like certain Religious groups that date back to the crusades, if you get my drift.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 05 avril 2011 - 12:42 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Actually you have more immediate domestic concerns you should be addressing rather than going on some crusade against capitalism. You won't though, and in 100 years won't have a continent to call your own anymore.

I'm taking it "equality" has no meaning to you?

People like you scare the living sh*t out of me.

We'd do better as a species if people weren't so eager to just let bad sh*t happen and even encourage it.

I like my country and my continent thank you very much. I like the little individualities that make each country different, they all have bad traits, but there are still good ones just like anything else.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...


Sure, because its not like the Krogan wouldn't join in, or the Batarians, or anyone else who had anti-human thoughts.

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What are the krogan gonna do? They don't even have a fleet of their own. In any case the last thing they'd do is join forces with the turians and salarians against a race that has never done anything to them.

The batarians will get their **** packed just like last time. Meanwhile humanity has the technological edge and has the Citadel, the most important trade station in the galaxy. With that kind of leverage humanity can sow dissent among its rivals and manipulate them into competing with each other.

The turians are already starting to lose their grip on the volus and once that happens their economic power, and thus military might, will evaporate.

Unless some big revolution or such happens in Council space, if such an event were to happen in the future, to stave off foreign threats from the Terminus systems by eliminating the spies from within, like fanaticalist batarians than I don't see why the humans wouldn't step in to help. To ultimatley squelch an uprising of sorts, which will one day eventually happen.