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[bEVEsthda]

FEGuy wrote...

I feel like I should apologize for loving this game. With you guys calling me a religious fanatic and all. Havent you ever felt passionate for anything in your life.

No no.  The game is great. DA 2 is a good quality game. I've completed it.
It just isn't what we wanted. It fails to live up to that. And that's a pity, because there is no lack of games providing what DA2 provides. DA:Origin, OTOH, was unique.

[abaris]

Akka le Vil wrote...

"fanboys" are the retarded part of the population who will just defend something blindly.

I would add, they're just like stalkers, only one step away from inviting their developer buddies over for some cool aid. In any case, they're of the firmest opinion, that the employees of any given corporation are their personal friends, who only create their products as gods gift to humanity without any financial gain. And of course, they're in desperate need of being defended against the hostile world.

There's a far cry between this and simply liking a franchise.

[leeboi2]

Origins was boring as **** maybe?...

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Guys, you can disagree about the game all you want, but there's no need for the personal insults.

Those who are unable to present their viewpoint in a well reasoned and civil manner are the types of people who Bioware and consequently, everyone else, should ignore.

[bEVEsthda]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...
I may be a loser now, but m slowly gaining my independance witch is more than  than some of these douckebags who live & breath computer games & dont want to grow up.

Oh & screw you! Condisending know it all blow hard. Your probably just as much of a loser as the other guy!

Well, the way you're spoken to, has something to do with how you, yourself, elected to speak.

[DAO MAdhatter]

Akka le Vil wrote...

FEGuy wrote...

I feel like I should apologize for loving this game. With you guys calling me a religious fanatic and all. Havent you ever felt passionate for anything in your life.

"liking a game" and "being a fanboy" are two very different things. You can like something and still recognize its flaws (many in these forums actually do).
"fanboys" are the retarded part of the population who will just defend something blindly.

And actually, it's funny you ask about being passionnate. It's BECAUSE they are passionnate about their, well, passion, that "hardcore gamers" are upset about the systematic dumbing down of game to please the casual idiotic crowd.
It's the casual player who is NOT passionnate and only want to kill/pass time with action-filled, thoughtless interactive movies. The guy who got a passion is the one banging his head on a wall because he sees it destroyed because of the mass-market watering down.

 
This is utter BS right here! It isnt dumbing down so much as making it easier for people who want to have fun with everything in the game, not jsut playing a mind numbing chore of a game jsut t see the awesome cutscenese like you computer elitest doucchebags thinks is fun. Thats not fun!
Im 21 been, playing games for over 14 years of my life. I love a lot of different games, some hard, some not, but I cant stand playing a bull**** boring game just cause some ****** fanboys thought that was what fun was suppost to be.

[abaris]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

I may be a loser now, but m slowly gaining my independance witch is more than  than some of these douckebags who live & breath computer games & dont want to grow up.

Oh & screw you! Condisending know it all blow hard. Your probably just as much of a loser as the other guy!

Is that supposed to be ironic or ad hominem? If it's the latter, you should at least get your spelling right to make it a grown up insult.

[DAO MAdhatter]

bEVEsthda wrote...

DAO MAdhatter wrote...
I may be a loser now, but m slowly gaining my independance witch is more than  than some of these douckebags who live & breath computer games & dont want to grow up.

Oh & screw you! Condisending know it all blow hard. Your probably just as much of a loser as the other guy!

Well, the way you're spoken to, has something to do with how you, yourself, elected to speak.

What? You didnt know? That other guy is you. So what your... 34. & still on here at... 7 o clock in te morning? Why.. Instead dont you, go... get a job... Go get layed, Go get drunk. I may not be able to do thee things yet. But I plan on it, which at this point is saying more than you obviously are.

Im done arguing with you losers. Well your on here ****ing & moaning about something that is preventing you from living. I actually will be living. Goodbuy, goodnight, & F U!

[orbit991]

Someone forgot he's Ritalin today.

[bEVEsthda]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...
It isnt dumbing down so much as making it easier for people who want to have fun with everything in the game, not jsut playing a mind numbing chore of a game jsut t see the awesome cutscenese like you computer elitest doucchebags thinks is fun. Thats not fun!
Im 21 been, playing games for over 14 years of my life. I love a lot of different games, some hard, some not, but I cant stand playing a bull**** boring game just cause some ****** fanboys thought that was what fun was suppost to be.

It could have been. The new combat system is good. It's different, but not really inferior to the old. Not (all considered)better either, but if it makes the console experience better, while retaining the tactical aspect on the pc, all the power to them. I actually think Laidlaw and co has made a great job with the combat system. It's fun. Even on the PC.

However, there's too little variation in type and character of battles. But given the develoment time it's understandable.
But another gripe is the over-the-top action-animation. It actually pisses off a lot of folks.

Other gripes is the lack of personal impact on the story. It's very linear. And many things have been dramatically changed in style from DA:O. Another thing that annoys a lot of people. And In the end there is only the combat and the story to enjoy. And the combat is not why these old geeezers, you so much despise, buy Bioware games. And the story is not all that great...

The game is good. But not what DA:O fans expected. That makes it also a disappointment. And dissapointed people tend to be angry and seeing things only in negatives.
That said, the general gripe about games converging towards video-gaming's stoneage paradigms is still valid.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 03 avril 2011 - 10:57 .

[Jak Tor]

I actually enjoyed DA2.
It has its issues: reused maps, the cartel airborne infantry & the emptiness of the city being my main gripes (and the beating around the heads of the elves with the fugly stick! ). That said I didn't enjoy it as much as DA:O, but thats just my opinion and I don't expect everyone and his\\her dog to agree with me.
However to say that only a few people don't like the approach taken in DA2 is a bit naive, or downright delusional. You only have to look at the user scores on metacritic to see that DA:O got 8.3 after 338 comments, whereas DA2 has 4.3 after 1118 user reviews. Heck DA:O even scored higher with the professional crtitics: 91 vs DA2's 82...
I think it is a testimony to the high level of expectations that people had for DA2 based on previous titles that have caused such a high level of criticism.  Many commentators have said that if it wasn't Dragon Age, or wasn't a Bioware game, they would have scored it higher.
I think many people have gone over the top in condemning DA2 and have scored it punitively, as is their right, but in the process have ignored some of the good ideas that DA2 presents... I love the framed narrative concept & would have liked to see more of the man vs myth.
It is all too easy to ignore the good in the flamestorm of criticism that has fallen upon DA2, but I would like to point out that out of 1118 user reviews 318 were favourable, that's almost as many as commented on DA:O in total...
Bioware has to move the genre forwards if they are to maintain an edge and stay in business, what they now need to do is look at the feedback and work out what worked and what didn't... hopefully the constructive criticism thread will result in an awesome DA3.

[abaris]

bEVEsthda wrote...

The new combat system is good. It's different, but not really inferior to the old. Not (all considered)better either, but if it makes the console experience better, while retaining the tactical aspect on the pc, all the power to them. I actually think Laidlaw and co has made a great job with the combat system. It's fun. Even on the PC.

See, and that's already one point where opinions differ dramatically. I could have gone with the new combat animations, although I really didn't like them, but no way in hell was I prepared to accept exploding enemies. I didn't think it to be fun. What's more, I simply didn't want to identify with a character doing that.

I played through the demo, hoping for something to make up for that experience, but all I got was more of the same and some pointless death which didn't leave me the least bit emotional.

[bEVEsthda]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...
What? You didnt know? That other guy is you. So what your... 34. & still on here at... 7 o clock in te morning? Why.. Instead dont you, go... get a job... Go get layed, Go get drunk. I may not be able to do thee things yet. But I plan on it, which at this point is saying more than you obviously are.

Im done arguing with you losers. Well your on here ****ing & moaning about something that is preventing you from living. I actually will be living. Goodbuy, goodnight, & F U!

And what's your point? What has this to do with anything or this thread's topic?

Part of growing up is learning to behave.
Grasping to disqualify other's views by perceiving them as something, is something you can well do. Silently and privately. But it's not an argument in a debate.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 03 avril 2011 - 11:09 .

[Tirigon]

Cobrawar wrote...

because of stupidity, greed and bad management

This GIRL speaks the truth.

[bEVEsthda]

abaris wrote...
See, and that's already one point where opinions differ dramatically. I could have gone with the new combat animations, although I really didn't like them, but no way in hell was I prepared to accept exploding enemies. I didn't think it to be fun. What's more, I simply didn't want to identify with a character doing that.

I played through the demo, hoping for something to make up for that experience, but all I got was more of the same and some pointless death which didn't leave me the least bit emotional.

I have never said anything positive about the combat animations on this forum. I have deriled them at opportunity. Like in the Motivational Posters thread, where I was the author of the "Awesome" post.

I was speaking about the combat system as such. The mechanics and tactics.
And the demo is a bit extra spectacular, because Laidlaw thought that would draw in players...

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 03 avril 2011 - 11:16 .

[AkiKishi]

DA2 is more like a rugby pass. Sideways and a bit backwards.

[Jak Tor]

BobSmith101 wrote...

DA2 is more like a rugby pass. Sideways and a bit backwards.

That made me spill my tea! & I agree with the sentiments expressed.

Just as a question, have any of you guys posted in the contructive criticisms post or plan to?

I'm saving mine until I have finished playing through on all 3 classes...

[Tirigon]

Jak Tor wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

DA2 is more like a rugby pass. Sideways and a bit backwards.

That made me spill my tea! & I agree with the sentiments expressed.

Just as a question, have any of you guys posted in the contructive criticisms post or plan to?

I'm saving mine until I have finished playing through on all 3 classes...

Constructive criticism: Forget DA2, remember what made DAO great.

It´s really the only thing---

[Zeulon]

Jak Tor wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

DA2 is more like a rugby pass. Sideways and a bit backwards.

That made me spill my tea! & I agree with the sentiments expressed.

Just as a question, have any of you guys posted in the contructive criticisms post or plan to?

I'm saving mine until I have finished playing through on all 3 classes...

I don´t know how much sense constructiv criticism makes when it comes to this game. THE major flaw are not mistakes in design or execution, but the short development cycle (which is imho responsible for most of the questionable design choices). Bioware/EA must have known that DA2 would be beneath Biowars own standards with such a short timeline, but never the less went with it.

[Akka le Vil]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

I may be a loser now, but m slowly gaining my independance witch is more than  than some of these douckebags who live & breath computer games & dont want to grow up.

Sooo...
Let me get it straight...
You're a kid waging a fanboyist war on a video game forum, and you're telling others that they need to grow up and stop living by video games ?

Wow. Just... wow...
Pot, kettle, mirror and the like ?

Oh & screw you! Condisending know it all blow hard. Your probably just as much of a loser as the other guy!

You're the one calling others names like, I quote :
"elitist douchebags", "losers", "living in their mommy basement" and the like, and you're giving lessons about being condescending ?

Again, just wow.

Now, seriously, could you try to apply your own advices to yourself ? You're in MUCH DIRER need of them than the people you gave them to...

[exterminator_]

comeon guys its simple
the dragonage 3 will be the ultimate end of the story ...

The dragonage hero warden from dragonage 1 along with Morrigan VS the farm guy with Flemeth

from dragonage 2

so you will have to choose which of the 2 you want

except the farm boy dont decide to help the stupid hug Flemeth (that i hate so much !!!)

Thats why the story must move forward , its simple :XD

[Narreneth]

abaris wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...

"fanboys" are the retarded part of the population who will just defend something blindly.

I would add, they're just like stalkers, only one step away from inviting their developer buddies over for some cool aid. In any case, they're of the firmest opinion, that the employees of any given corporation are their personal friends, who only create their products as gods gift to humanity without any financial gain. And of course, they're in desperate need of being defended against the hostile world.

There's a far cry between this and simply liking a franchise.

Yet people on the other extreme are just as bad.  Almost like liking or disliking has nothing to do with attitude and individual personality traits are what determine the behavior.

Elitist jackass.

[HyperLimited]

Honestly, if this was Dragon Age Origins 2, I would've never bought it. I wanted something new, different, and progressive for another installment in the series.
...That doesn't mean Bioware adequately delivered with Dragon Age II though. 

[Akka le Vil]

Narreneth wrote...

Yet people on the other extreme are just as bad.  Almost like liking or disliking has nothing to do with attitude and individual personality traits are what determine the behavior.

Elitist jackass.

Actually, no, because at least criticism bear improvement, while brown-nosing brings mediocrity. Of course both extreme are bad (because well, they are extreme), but I much prefer people who point out the flaws (and hence helps making things better) than people who prevent actual progress.

And "elitism" is not a bad thing in itself, BTW. It involve striving for excellence, which is rather positive in my book.