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[TheSimsMaster]

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtVNqxjiH0Y&NR=1  Starts at 7:15

Wow......I don't even know what to say.   It's some of Jennifer Hale's best work.


Oh and apparetly they had planned to make Thane a romance option for Male Shepard too:  




To think we could have had some Bisexual characters other than Liara.  

(edit: I I originally posted this in the wrong subforum. LOL! )

[jeweledleah]

all of that dialogue is actually in game - Tali/femshep dialogue anyways, they just arranged it in such a way as to suggest romantic attachment. they never actually recorded the romance scene and further romantic banter dialogue. not to say that they couldn't have, but..they haven't, so.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 03 avril 2011 - 07:07 .

[Geth_Prime]

@jeweledleah Actually, some of the dialogue towards the end there wasn't in the game. The bit about linking suits was, but there was some actual romance dialogue in there.

Someone at BioWare is homophobic or needs to grow a pair. Tali/FemShep romance would be awesome, can't they see that?

[Kronner]

Because not everyone MUST be bisexual.

[jeweledleah]

Tali/femshep romance HAD potential, but for whatever reason they scrapped it, but I doubt it had anything to do with lack of a pair. and Geth_prime, some of those responses towards the end were either paragon or renegade replies to the last convo you can have with Tali before she becomes to busy to talk to you, coupled with her responses to male shepard flirting.

[xzxzxz701]

Kronner wrote...

Because not everyone MUST be bisexual.

And not everyone must be straight.

[TheSimsMaster]

Who knows why they cut it out. It doesn't really matter anymore seeing how the trilogy is coming to a close.

[Goodwood]

Goodwood has long maintained that characters should be established as straight, gay or bi from the beginning, and not, not, NOT made to be otherwise later on just to "appease the fans." That is not to say that he doesn't think that previously un-romanceable characters should not then develop the potential to be love interests -- the Tali/MaleShep and Garrus/FemShep romances proved that.

[CyanideFunk]

Ah, good... Glad to see someone actually say that, Goodwood. To add to that, I play male Shep (the utter cheesiness of Mark Meer is great) and I really don't want to see Garrus SUDDENLY start hitting on me in ME3. Garrus is mah boi, not my gay lover. I'd like BioWare to stick to their guns for the final game, if some of the characters were going to be bisexual, then they would have been to start with.

[AlexMBrennan]

Good to know that you only care about your particular play through because Garrus suddenly hitting on fem!Shep makes just as much sense as Garrus hitting on man!Shep - Garrus outright states that he isn't attracted to humans, suggesting that he is attracted to Shepard's character which is determined by the player.

Edit to add: So, to be consistent with ME1, Garrus should have remained "married to the job".
As for Tali I think it doesn't make a lot of sense to classify her as either heterosexual (w.r.t. humans i.e. a different species), bisexual (w.r.t. humans) or homosexual (w.r.t. humans) given that she had never even met a human before encountering Shepard, and doesn't seem interested in anyone else

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 04 avril 2011 - 08:33 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Garrus doesn't actually make a move himself, does he? It has to be Shepard who suggests something.

I agree that suddenly making a character bi or gay when they were previously straight would be weird. I've nothing against introducing new ones to play the token same-sex-romance roles, though. Not really inclined to want it, but there it is.

My inner cynic finds the lack of male/male romance options in Mass Effect most amusing.

[CroGamer002]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Because not everyone MUST be bisexual.

And not everyone must be straight.

I agree for both statements.

In future Bioware games I want to have both only straight and only gay romance.

[jamesp81]

Because Tali was established as a character in ME1 and she wasn't bisexual then. It was not part of her character. Retconning her into being bisexual would break immersion.

Bisexual LIs are fine as long as it's part of their character. It was not part of Tali's established character.

[Nodscouter]

Wait, Tali says she's straight in ME1? Does she even show her interest in men or women for that matter? Is there anything that even points either way?

[jamesp81]

Nodscouter wrote...

Wait, Tali says she's straight in ME1? Does she even show her interest in men or women for that matter? Is there anything that even points either way?

Not that I'm directly aware of.  There was no reason to believe she was bisexual from ME1, however.  If incidences of Quarian bisexuality are similar to human incidences of it, that would mean there was between a 1 and 10 percent chance of her being bisexual or lesbian (depending on whose numbers you want to believe).  I think it would've been really difficult to pull off being bisexual in ME2 without it being contrived.

Modifié par jamesp81, 04 avril 2011 - 02:46 .

[Influ]

jamesp81 wrote...

Not that I'm directly aware of.  There was no reason to believe she was bisexual from ME1, however.

There was also no reason to believe she wasn't. Nothing conclusive was established in the game and one can only speculate on the matter.

[jamesp81]

Influ wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Not that I'm directly aware of.  There was no reason to believe she was bisexual from ME1, however.

There was also no reason to believe she wasn't. Nothing conclusive was established in the game and one can only speculate on the matter.

Please read the rest of my post.

Between 90 and 98 percent of the population is heterosexual.  That's a very damned good reason to believe she was probably not bisexual by itself.

Given the number of people in the Normandy's crew, the stats would tell us we should expect to see 1 or 2 bisexual characters.  We got one with Liara.  That matches the trends pretty well.

[Tup3x]

Geth_Prime wrote...

@jeweledleah Actually, some of the dialogue towards the end there wasn't in the game. The bit about linking suits was, but there was some actual romance dialogue in there.

Someone at BioWare is homophobic or needs to grow a pair. Tali/FemShep romance would be awesome, can't they see that?

What that linking suit thing has to do with it? It has nothing to do with romancing...

I don't want Bioware to alter the LI things in ME3 at all. That would change the game way too much. For the sake of 98% of fans.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 04 avril 2011 - 03:02 .

[Nodscouter]

All Asari are bisexual. That proves nothing.
And saying that there's a large chance she isn't bisexual does in no way PROVE she was bisexual. Evidence you know? Ever heard of that?
And also, saying that the 90-98% of the population is straight doesn't really matter, for all we know the Normandy could have 5% straight people.
And lastly, saying that ''there's no evidence the other way'' does not boost your point as you don't have any evidence either.

[Influ]

jamesp81 wrote...

Please read the rest of my post.

Between 90 and 98 percent of the population is heterosexual.  That's a very damned good reason to believe she was probably not bisexual by itself.

Given the number of people in the Normandy's crew, the stats would tell us we should expect to see 1 or 2 bisexual characters.  We got one with Liara.  That matches the trends pretty well.

I did read it, but disregarded that portion because it's not relevant. As I said, nothing conclusive was established about Tali's sexual orientation. There was no reason to think she was not ie. bisexual, however rare that would be in any given society.

Also, Asari are monogendered, there's no such thing as bisexuality for them.

edit.
Erroneusly claimed Asari are genderless, altough they are monogendered. Fixed now.

Modifié par Influ, 04 avril 2011 - 03:11 .

[jamesp81]

Influ wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Please read the rest of my post.

Between 90 and 98 percent of the population is heterosexual.  That's a very damned good reason to believe she was probably not bisexual by itself.

Given the number of people in the Normandy's crew, the stats would tell us we should expect to see 1 or 2 bisexual characters.  We got one with Liara.  That matches the trends pretty well.

I did read it, but disregarded that portion because it's not relevant. As I said, nothing conclusive was established about Tali's sexual orientation. There was no reason to think she was not ie. bisexual, however rare that would be in any given society.

Also, Asari are monogendered, there's no such thing as bisexuality for them.

edit.
Erroneusly claimed Asari are genderless, altough they are monogendered. Fixed now.

The Asari are monogendered so Bioware can, in part, have a bisexual LI and claim she's not really bisexual.  Something that I wish people wouldn't concentrate so much on, because there's so much more to the Asari race in general and Liara in particular than her bedroom habits.

Modifié par jamesp81, 04 avril 2011 - 03:19 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

I agree, thanks for cutting it out Bioware.

[jamesp81]

Nodscouter wrote...

All Asari are bisexual. That proves nothing.
And saying that there's a large chance she isn't bisexual does in no way PROVE she was bisexual. Evidence you know? Ever heard of that?
And also, saying that the 90-98% of the population is straight doesn't really matter, for all we know the Normandy could have 5% straight people.
And lastly, saying that ''there's no evidence the other way'' does not boost your point as you don't have any evidence either.

It's called immersion.  If you board a ship where 95% of the crew is bisexual, it breaks immersion.  People simply won't believe it or buy into it because it does not accurately reflect how society actually is.  The game would become Gay Effect, and that's the only aspect of it anyone would talk about.

You would expect to have one or two bisexual crew members on a ship the size of Normandy.  On the SR1 we had Liara (as stated, not technically bisexual, but that's exactly what the writers were going for.  If you don't see that, then you're not paying attention).  On SR2, we have Kelly.  Because heterosexuality is by far the prevailing mindset, it is somewhat notable when someone is bisexual.  If Bioware wanted Tali to be bisexual, this should've been established in ME1.  As it wasn't, it would be somewhat immersion breaking if all of a sudden she became bisexual in ME2.

Modifié par jamesp81, 04 avril 2011 - 03:21 .

[Nodscouter]

You do understand that someone's sexuality doesn't mean that a game is destroyed right? You put far too much focus on that.
''If Bioware wanted Tali to be bisexual, this should've been established in ME1''
If Bioware wanted Tali to be straight, this should've been established in ME1.
See how that works? You don't get clues either way, so don't say because there's no evidence that she's bisexual that it suddenly means she MUST, by all means, be straight. It's simply idiocy.
And it wouldn't have been all of a sudden if she was a bisexual in ME2. It would've, or was, just as sudden that she was straight. She literally never, EVER, talks about her sexuality in ME1 or drop ANY hints at all that's she interested in men, or women. It's not immersion breaking if there HAPPENS to be ONE more bisexual on the ship than your statistics count for. Statistics aren't always exact, if 1 out of every 10 men have green eyes, that doesn't make it so that every gathering of 10 men, one of them EXACTLY has to have green eyes.

[Kaltrec]

You're thinking too hard about it, it's not like FemShep and MaleShep are not part of the same universe anyway. The LI would be interested in the gender your character is at the moment you play. With the exception of Jack, there is no mention of any preferences from the other characters.

Modifié par Kaltrec, 04 avril 2011 - 03:27 .