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Maleficent wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I come to realise he people who most enjoy DA2 are the FB crowd the ones who love social interaction friends/rivalry, the way to speak to someone not how it effects the game. Maybe this was the new audience that Bioware wanted. Oh wait.. They already have a FB game that ties into DA2 do'h. Two birds with one stone.


That's pushing a bit far isn't it.I personally cannot stand facebook/social networking games ,the only reason I played legends was to get all the items ,done with that thank god and it was a pain.:devil:


Yeh there was a little sarcasm involved in what I said, a humour in it, but scarasm and dry wit isn't to everyones taste I know. Posted Image

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Anger over a role playing video game: priceless. OP says the game is fantastic and that he likes it......and the sightless, pasty-moles squirm to the surface expressing their agony and anger - signifying nothing.

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Drogo45 wrote...

Anger over a role playing video game: priceless. OP says the game is fantastic and that he limes it......and the sightless, pasty-moles squirm to the surface expressing their agony and anger - signifying nothing.


Drogo45 wrote...

Cheers!

During the past week or so I have let the hatred and negativity on the forum influence me in ways unbecoming.  Instead of ignoring and accepting I responded in kind - being snarky and demeaning and becoming what I disliked in others while using the anonymity of the internet to cut. 

Folks are folks and are entitled to their thoughts and opinions.  I apologize for any anger, hurt and negativety I have caused.  I shall continue in my support of BioWare and Dragon Age 1, but without the ugliness.

Peace.


Clearly you haven't changed at all. Even yesterday you made a whole flamebaiting thread. That's why noone takes you seriously.

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Dubya75 wrote...

With all the negativity surrounding DA2 still pouring in, I felt compelled to post my impressions of what I perceive to be an excellent (albeit not perfect) game. Naturally, I will make some comparisons to Origins:

Overall user interface:
Menus all look clean and easy to navigate.
Loading screens are an absolute delight compared to the one loading screen in Origins repeated over and over again.
The art style of these are also very unique as far as fantasy games go. It has it's own identity which is a good thing.
Once in the game, the UI is much less obtrusive than it was in Origins with a more transparent look, especially the mini map.
Full maps are also a lot easier to navigate (except for the fact that blocked areas still show as accessible which got me a bit lost at times)
Attributes, Abilities and Tactics menus are also layed out in a way to make it feel less cumbersome than Origins.
World map however does not really help with getting an overall geographic feel for the layout of Kirkwall and the surrounding areas. This was done better in Origins, although the addition of day/night toggle is a welcome addition.
OVERALL - BETTER THAN ORIGINS
 


More than cleaner, menus look nonexistent. A lot of words and icons on black background. w00t, so uncool.
Loading screen, I give you that.
Art stile isn't changed much. Only elves and qunari. Oh yeah the insanely oversized swords.
Again with the menus, and I still don't understand how a book like menu can be difficult to read. Have you ever read a book in your life?
City map and world map are lame. Locations are placed randomly and don't give you the feeling of understanding how the place is shaped.
Day/night toggle is just stupid, a normal day/night progression would have been more welcome and would have felt less 'we-give-a-button-to-turn-on-and-off-the-sun-because-we-know-you-are-an-impatient-little-kid"

Dubya75 wrote...
Environments:
Although there are a lot of recycling done (which I am not happy with), the environments do look amazing. I often find myself looking around and very few times did I see unfinished textures (not speaking of NPCs).
The detail of some textures are so much better than it was in Origins, giving it much more atmosphere also thanks to the great music and ambient sounds.
Lighting in all areas also vastly improved.
OVERALL - MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS

I see no real emprovement. Sure, some higher resolution texture, but boats are still immovable unfloating objects. Trees are more akin to states. Weather is non existent ecc.
They just recycled 10 times more than in origin.

Dubya75 wrote...
Animations & object textures:
This is one area where I think Origins did better - strangely enough. Especially with facial and head movement, animations in DA2 seems more wooden.
Although interaction with objects have been added, it has also highlighted the absolutely appalling hand animation and design.
Some textures look really good, especially on unique weapons and armor. Sadly however, this is let down by some really bad textures on some generic pieces (cameo character armor for example). I've not seen such bad textures in Origins.
Moving sky, fire and smoke animations and textures on the other hand are vastly improved from Origins, especially when enabling DX11.
Areas like The Hanged Man that should be packed with people only have a handful of NPCs standing around, some of which look pretty bad. However not much different to the way it was done in Origins.
OVERALL - SOME BETTER, SOME WORSE


Origin was no better at all I'd say. All characters are woodenlike, they all seems mannequin in dialogues. Many times they don't even turn to look at eachother, they just turn their head a bit.
As you say NPC are too few everywhere. I just can't see Kirkwall or denerim with amazement after having played a random assassin's creed. even the first was better city wise.

Dubya75 wrote...
Gameplay:
Still feels distinctly like playing Dragon Age.
The one thing I miss most is not being able to have a conversation with a companion when I choose to, instead having to wait for a prompt.
Combat feels fresh and remains fun throughout the entire game, as opposed to the incredibly tedious combat in Origins.
Waves of enemies also makes it feel a lot more organic and realistic and keeps you on your toes throughout.
All classes are fun to play now, much better balance than Origins.
Travelling also seems better especially having multiple exit points in all (or most) areas.
There are a good number of choices which does have effects later on, however would have liked to see more branching out based on these choices more.
OVERALL - MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS


DA2 feels more like playing a bizarre mix of dragonball/power ranger/naruto fight simulator. It's even more restricted than origins, with less build and less ability to specialize your companion. What if I wanted to give a bow to Isabela? or two weapon to my warrior? what if i wanted to play again an arcane warrior?
combat mechaincs are dull, waves of enemies spawning constantly behind your from nowhere exactly where your ranged would be. attack animation a la final fantasy where you swing a sword that weight like you at the same speed of a small tree branch
your classes could be now fun to play, but my most favourite got removed for no apparent reason

Dubya75 wrote...
Sound & Music:
So much better in so many ways! Too many things to list.

In order to avoid the danger of this post becoming a grocery list, I'll end with saying that in my opinion Dragon Age 2 is overall on par with Origins. Many things are done better, but sadly for many people this is overshadowed by the things that are done worse or perhaps only different than Origins.

I still love Dragon Age and hope the franchise never dies! :o


not much to say here

Dubya75 wrote...
[Edit]
For those who have a problem with me using the word "fantastic":

fan·tas·tic   [fan-tas-tik]–adjective1.conceived or appearing as if conceived by an unrestrained imagination; odd and remarkable; bizarre; grotesque: fantastic rock formations; fantastic designs.2.fanciful or capricious, as persons or their ideas or actions: We never know what that fantastic creature will say next.3.imaginary or groundless in not being based on reality; foolish or irrational: fantastic fears.4.extravagantly fanciful; marvelous.5.incredibly great or extreme; exorbitant: to spend fantastic sums of money.6.highly unrealistic or impractical; outlandish: a fantastic scheme to make a million dollars betting on horse races.7.Informal . extraordinarily good: a fantastic musical.

thankyou, a link would have done too

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tsk, damn you quote button [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

Anger over a role playing video game: priceless. OP says the game is fantastic and that he limes it......and the sightless, pasty-moles squirm to the surface expressing their agony and anger - signifying nothing.


Drogo45 wrote...

Cheers!

During the past week or so I have let the hatred and negativity on the forum influence me in ways unbecoming.  Instead of ignoring and accepting I responded in kind - being snarky and demeaning and becoming what I disliked in others while using the anonymity of the internet to cut. 

Folks are folks and are entitled to their thoughts and opinions.  I apologize for any anger, hurt and negativety I have caused.  I shall continue in my support of BioWare and Dragon Age 1, but without the ugliness.

Peace.


Clearly you haven't changed at all. Even yesterday you made a whole flamebaiting thread. That's why noone takes you seriously.


Ouch - yes, it is hard to resist.  Must.....try.......harder......  I think I'll just go and cook a pot roast for a bit.....

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Dubya75 wrote...

Damn! OK, you got me there! I admit it, I work for Bioware. Or I am easily satisfied. You decide.
I am not blind to DA2's flaws. I am well aware the game was "finished" in a record time and perhaps rushed. I wouldn't call it an "unfinished" game though because it has a start and it has an end.*
However, in spite of all that may be seen as wrong with the game, I still came to the conclusion that it is FANTASTIC in my opinion!
And I'll go one step further and define FANTASTIC for you:

fan·tas·tic   
[fan-tas-tik]
–adjective
1.conceived or appearing as if conceived by an unrestrained imagination; odd and remarkable; bizarre; grotesque: fantastic rock formations; fantastic designs.
2.fanciful or capricious, as persons or their ideas or actions: We never know what that fantastic creature will say next.
3.imaginary or groundless in not being based on reality; foolish or irrational: fantastic fears.
4.extravagantly fanciful; marvelous.
5.incredibly great or extreme; exorbitant: to spend fantastic sums of money.
6.highly unrealistic or impractical; outlandish: a fantastic scheme to make a million dollars betting on horse races.
7.Informal . extraordinarily good: a fantastic musical.


I will say that DA2 did not live up to Bioware's standard of quality. A majority of the criticism the game is receiving is totally justifiable.

*I can safely say that Tripedius is on to something if this is your definition of an unfinished game. Simply "because it has a start and an end" is hardly a reasonable justification to convince others that DA2 wasn't unfinished.

Tripedius wrote...

In Holland we have this saying, a
child's hand is easily filled. If you think DA2 is fantastic you're
actually saying it's fine to have an unfinished game and you won't give
BW an incentive to make games better. DA2 has potential, but is an
unfinished game. People who think the game is fantastic either work for
BW or very easily satisfied.


I will agree with this statement. I think people should be more critical and less willing to praise any game.

(I think that there are probably a few people who work for BW and don't think the game is fantastic however)
(Maybe others find the game enjoyable or it suits their tastes. If it does, then thats great and enjoy DA2)

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I like it a lot too! And you use reasonable diction!

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Drogo45 wrote...

Anger over a role playing video game: priceless. OP says the game is fantastic and that he likes it......and the sightless, pasty-moles squirm to the surface expressing their agony and anger - signifying nothing.


LOL, well said! :lol:

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STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE.
In all seriousness, I don't like DA2 very much.

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Ronin2006 wrote...

JediMB wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Is this a joke?


This will now be my standard response whenever someone complains about the game.

Because opinions differing from your own obviously can't be taken seriously.


You miss the point.  The thread doesn't seem like a joke because the OP likes the game.  It's the way they have expressed it.

Firstly, in the heading the OP is saying that the game is "FANTASTIC" in big capital letters as if to imply that the game is some sort of jaw-droppingly awesome masterpiece.  (Even though their actual post suggests that they don't actually think this is the case)

Second, their ensuing analysis is quite reasonable, and though I personally disagree on many of the points, what they say is quite well reasoned and they make respectable points.  However, after discussing each part of the game, they then feel the need to re-use BIG CAPITAL LETTERS!!!! to state the DA 2 is better than DA O.  This makes it seem like some sort of joke as if they need to make their points using such absurd punctuation.  Doing this makes it seem like a sarcastic joke.  (Though I realise it's probably not)


Way to make a BIG DEAL out of A FEW CAPITAL LETTERS. 

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shaneho78 wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

JediMB wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Is this a joke?


This will now be my standard response whenever someone complains about the game.

Because opinions differing from your own obviously can't be taken seriously.


You miss the point.  The thread doesn't seem like a joke because the OP likes the game.  It's the way they have expressed it.

Firstly, in the heading the OP is saying that the game is "FANTASTIC" in big capital letters as if to imply that the game is some sort of jaw-droppingly awesome masterpiece.  (Even though their actual post suggests that they don't actually think this is the case)

Second, their ensuing analysis is quite reasonable, and though I personally disagree on many of the points, what they say is quite well reasoned and they make respectable points.  However, after discussing each part of the game, they then feel the need to re-use BIG CAPITAL LETTERS!!!! to state the DA 2 is better than DA O.  This makes it seem like some sort of joke as if they need to make their points using such absurd punctuation.  Doing this makes it seem like a sarcastic joke.  (Though I realise it's probably not)


Way to make a BIG DEAL out of A FEW CAPITAL LETTERS. 


Capitals do make a difference, it's the inet version of shouting. It's a difference between an orgasm and a grunt.

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Dormiglione wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Gameplay:
Still feels distinctly like playing Dragon Age.
The one thing I miss most is not being able to have a conversation with a companion when I choose to, instead having to wait for a prompt.
Combat feels fresh and remains fun throughout the entire game, as opposed to the incredibly tedious combat in Origins.
Waves of enemies also makes it feel a lot more organic and realistic and keeps you on your toes throughout.
All classes are fun to play now, much better balance than Origins.
Travelling also seems better especially having multiple exit points in all (or most) areas.
There are a good number of choices which does have effects later on, however would have liked to see more branching out based on these choices more.
OVERALL - MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS

 


So you miss the conversation with your companians, but its much better than Origins?
The hack-and-slay style combat feels fresh?
Waves of enemy that spawn in front of your face, destroying tactical playing, and that is a good improvement?

And tell me which are the "good number of choices" that affect the story more than Origins?

I give you some examples of Origins, try to give me the counterpart in DA2 of this choices:
-DAO Tower of the mages: Annulment or Save the first enchanter
- DAO Brezilian Forest: Kill all elves or free witherfang
- DAO Quest for the andrastes ashes: side with the fanatics and destroy the ashes or kill them
This are real choices who affected the story

Overall - much better than Origins? Never!


Too bad all your examples are also in DA2.

Side with the Templars or the mages.
Kill the Dalish Elves to save Merrill or Leave the Dalish Elves with Merrill in peace.
Take Bethany/Carver on the Deep Roads Expedition with Anders, leave them behind, or take them and you don't take Anders. Trust me you will get different results.

And by the way if you ever play the game enough times believe me there are the same number of choices in DA2 than in DA:O.

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(THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS SKIP IF DON'T WANT TO KNOW)

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Too bad all your examples are also in DA2.

Side with the Templars or the mages. -Both end the same way in both actions and consequences.
Kill the Dalish Elves to save Merrill or Leave the Dalish Elves with Merrill in peace. -I'll give you that one but only just because it has no impact on future events at all only a few conversations with Merrill.
Take Bethany/Carver on the Deep Roads Expedition with Anders, leave them behind, or take them and you don't take Anders. Trust me you will get different results. -Though I will give you that taking Anders does make slight change but you end up losing them as a companion for a long time regardless so I don't see how this is a good thing.

And by the way if you ever play the game enough times believe me there are the same number of choices in DA2 than in DA:O.


I'm not going to believe you because I have played it many times and there is not.

http://social.biowar...12770/2#6914465

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 avril 2011 - 04:29 .


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double post

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Remember, people:

We're in the "NO Spoilers" forum!

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

shaneho78 wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

JediMB wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Is this a joke?


This will now be my standard response whenever someone complains about the game.

Because opinions differing from your own obviously can't be taken seriously.


You miss the point.  The thread doesn't seem like a joke because the OP likes the game.  It's the way they have expressed it.

Firstly, in the heading the OP is saying that the game is "FANTASTIC" in big capital letters as if to imply that the game is some sort of jaw-droppingly awesome masterpiece.  (Even though their actual post suggests that they don't actually think this is the case)

Second, their ensuing analysis is quite reasonable, and though I personally disagree on many of the points, what they say is quite well reasoned and they make respectable points.  However, after discussing each part of the game, they then feel the need to re-use BIG CAPITAL LETTERS!!!! to state the DA 2 is better than DA O.  This makes it seem like some sort of joke as if they need to make their points using such absurd punctuation.  Doing this makes it seem like a sarcastic joke.  (Though I realise it's probably not)


Way to make a BIG DEAL out of A FEW CAPITAL LETTERS. 


Capitals do make a difference, it's the inet version of shouting. It's a difference between an orgasm and a grunt.


Of course there is a difference in this case but only if you want to be pedantic about it. The OP clearly uses capital letters to make distinct the final verdict of each point he made from the rest of the text wall. The only thing you can accuse him of is a lack of formal writing etiquette but even that is silly considering this is just a forum. Saying his post is created as a form of sarcastic parody or simply a joke just because of a few capital letters is an overreaction to say the least. 

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He's trollin'

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Is this a joke?


This.


ThisPosted Image


This. Posted Image


This. 

The game is BAD compared to DA:O. Please stop supporting it. We don't want DA3 to be worse. 

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shaneho78 wrote...


Dragoonlordz wrote...

shaneho78 wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

JediMB wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Is this a joke?


This will now be my standard response whenever someone complains about the game.

Because opinions differing from your own obviously can't be taken seriously.


You miss the point.  The thread doesn't seem like a joke because the OP likes the game.  It's the way they have expressed it.

Firstly, in the heading the OP is saying that the game is "FANTASTIC" in big capital letters as if to imply that the game is some sort of jaw-droppingly awesome masterpiece.  (Even though their actual post suggests that they don't actually think this is the case)

Second, their ensuing analysis is quite reasonable, and though I personally disagree on many of the points, what they say is quite well reasoned and they make respectable points.  However, after discussing each part of the game, they then feel the need to re-use BIG CAPITAL LETTERS!!!! to state the DA 2 is better than DA O.  This makes it seem like some sort of joke as if they need to make their points using such absurd punctuation.  Doing this makes it seem like a sarcastic joke.  (Though I realise it's probably not)


Way to make a BIG DEAL out of A FEW CAPITAL LETTERS. 


Capitals do make a difference, it's the inet version of shouting. It's a difference between an orgasm and a grunt.


Of course there is a difference in this case but only if you want to be pedantic about it. The OP clearly uses capital letters to make distinct the final verdict of each point he made from the rest of the text wall. The only thing you can accuse him of is a lack of formal writing etiquette but even that is silly considering this is just a forum. Saying his post is created as a form of sarcastic parody or simply a joke just because of a few capital letters is an overreaction to say the least. 



You sir have given me a good laugh.  Well done.

I hardly consider a four word response ("Is this a joke?") to be making a big deal out of this.

The next part was an explanation to someone who was being quite obtuse as to the meaning behind the original four word response, and misconstruing the intentions behind my post entirely.  I wasn't making a big deal out of it, however you are certainly making a big deal out of something quite trivial.

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Everyone is allowed to have and share their own opinion. If your entire contribution is to jump into a thread and say 'Is this a joke?', or, even better, quote that post and add 'This.', then I'd strongly suggest not posting in the thread at all.

Have whatever opinion you want, but if you're only interested in dog-piling on those with differing opinions, then perhaps you should avoid posting.

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JohnEpler wrote...

Everyone is allowed to have and share their own opinion. If your entire contribution is to jump into a thread and say 'Is this a joke?', or, even better, quote that post and add 'This.', then I'd strongly suggest not posting in the thread at all.

Have whatever opinion you want, but if you're only interested in dog-piling on those with differing opinions, then perhaps you should avoid posting.


Mr Epler, with all due respect, that was never my intention.  Firstly, the actual opinion of the OP is irrelevant, the response would have been the same if they said "Dragon Age 2 is an ABORTION!"

Surely, you as a rather well spoken individual, can see how punctuation can make a difference in the expression of one's very own opinion and the degree of seriousness that an individual feels obliged to give it?  My quip wasn't an attack on the individual's opinions, I in fact respect them despite disagreeing with them.  However, the use of big capital letters emphasising how "FANTASTIC!" the game is, followed by further use of capitals throughout their post makes it very difficult to take this thread or the OP seriously.

I am not belittling the opinion, just the way it was expressed.

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I love how people who call his post a joke don't counter his arguments. He make some good points.

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Ronin2006 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Everyone is allowed to have and share their own opinion. If your entire contribution is to jump into a thread and say 'Is this a joke?', or, even better, quote that post and add 'This.', then I'd strongly suggest not posting in the thread at all.

Have whatever opinion you want, but if you're only interested in dog-piling on those with differing opinions, then perhaps you should avoid posting.


Mr Epler, with all due respect, that was never my intention.  Firstly, the actual opinion of the OP is irrelevant, the response would have been the same if they said "Dragon Age 2 is an ABORTION!"

Surely, you as a rather well spoken individual, can see how punctuation can make a difference in the expression of one's very own opinion and the degree of seriousness that an individual feels obliged to give it?  My quip wasn't an attack on the individual's opinions, I in fact respect them despite disagreeing with them.  However, the use of big capital letters emphasising how "FANTASTIC!" the game is, followed by further use of the capitals makes it very difficult to take this thread or the OP seriously.

I am not belittling the opinion, just the way it was expressed.


By the same token, then, can you see why 'Is this a joke?' would be taken the way that numerous posters in this thread have taken it? When I see someone say 'Is this a joke?', my immediate belief (if it's not in any way an obvious joke post) is that they want to point out that they want to show that they disagree with the post, and consider it absurd that anyone would seriously have that opinion - without addressing any of the points specifically.

It's all about tone, on both ends. And since text is a notoriously difficult medium in which to convey subtleties of tone, you have to be aware of how you express yourself.

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svenus97 wrote...

I love how people who call his post a joke don't counter his arguments. He make some good points.


I've countered them all a million times over in other threads and my actual review of the game which can be seen by clicking on my name and selecting forum tab next to it. My objection or more accurately what I asked him at start is which was it because he said liked then didn't and now its best thing since sliced bread. I couldn't help but feel he was either baiting or tell whether he is being serious.

@John

I dare you to fill in a response like everyone else in http://social.biowar...index/6907806/1

I double dare you with cherry on top. lol Posted Image

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