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[Rockpopple]

I see some people still find the need to **** on other people's parade.

Seriously. For all the dozens of "Dragon Age II sucks for THIS specific reason" threads that pop up on the front page of this forum, you had to come to one of the few positive threads for this game to do your dirty business? Again - just because your cereal tastes like ass doesn't mean you should go around pissing in everyone else's.

If you don't agree with what the OP feels about this game, GTFO and write your own damn "I hate DA II" threads. Again. You know you already have.

[Khjohnsen]

I thouroughly enjoy it... Great story and even greater story telling... More realistic roleplaying in the frustration of not being able to influence everything, which is fun and different... Fun combat...

A bit rough round the edges but nothing gamebreaking for me. I'll buy DLC...

[Kimberly Shaw]

Reported Rockpopple for vulgar language/content. I think you're becoming unhinged because you are sounding deranged in your last post.
We the people with valid criticsms of the game will post wherever we want unless instructed otherwise by a forum moderator. Unless you are a moderator, which you aren't, then don't tell other people what/where they can and cannot post.

Also, I would agree with the OP, but then we'd both be wrong.

[Dubya75]

Khjohnsen wrote...

I thouroughly enjoy it... Great story and even greater story telling... More realistic roleplaying in the frustration of not being able to influence everything, which is fun and different... Fun combat...

A bit rough round the edges but nothing gamebreaking for me. I'll buy DLC...

And here's to seeing some new environments too in said DLC! 

[Rockpopple]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

Reported Rockpopple for vulgar language/content. I think you're becoming unhinged because you are sounding deranged in your last post.
We the people with valid criticsms of the game will post wherever we want unless instructed otherwise by a forum moderator. Unless you are a moderator, which you aren't, then don't tell other people what/where they can and cannot post.

Also, I would agree with the OP, but then we'd both be wrong.

First of all, there was no vulgar content in my post. The only vulgar word in my post was purposefully bleeped out. I didn't try to circumvent the censor, so "Pfft" on you.

Second, "deranged"? Seriously? LOL. I don't think you know what that word means.

And lastly, I can tell other people whatever I want. They are free to take my advice or to ignore it. Or they can whine about it, like you're doing right now.

[AkiKishi]

Khjohnsen wrote...

I thouroughly enjoy it... Great story and even greater story telling... More realistic roleplaying in the frustration of not being able to influence everything, which is fun and different... Fun combat...

A bit rough round the edges but nothing gamebreaking for me. I'll buy DLC...

Want to explain what is so fun about being in stasis for 3 years to make that possible ?

[Kimberly Shaw]

Rockpopple wrote...
First of all, there was no vulgar content in my post. The only vulgar word in my post was purposefully bleeped out. I didn't try to circumvent the censor, so "Pfft" on you.

Rockpopple wrote...

 just because your cereal tastes like ass doesn't mean you should go around pissing in everyone else's.

Ahh semantics.  Perhaps you should read this blurb as well before telling people to "GTFO", because you are overly hostile:

From the rules of conduct for the forums:

No fighting, name calling, taunting or flame wars. There is no place for fighting and flaming others on these message boards. Disagreeing with other Community members is acceptable and understood, but actively fighting and/or flaming will not be tolerated.

[Rockpopple]

Yeah, the ironic thing is that this whole thread was name calling, fighting, taunting and flame wars. That's why I posted here to tell those people doing that to make their own threads, instead of trying to pull this one down with them.

Nice try, buuuuuuudy.

[ReallyRue]

It's good to read a positive thread for a change.
Naturally some things are better or worse than Origins. That doesn't mean that DA2 is automatically terrible. It stands on it's own as a good game.

[Gaius Octavian]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Gaius Octavian wrote...

OP and his supporters are brainwashed fanboys and need to stop advocating sub-standard releases. Better atmosphere? All of your points are laughable and show you're the type of player they dumbed it down for. The gaming community is better off without people like you making devs think this kind of below par release is acceptable. You are wrong. End of discussion.

Are you saying that any people who like the game are brainwashed fanboys?


Or that people who like the game and who don't recognise any of its flaws are brainwashed fanboys?

Second option.

I liked the game myself, but I think the amount of bugs (though being fixed), and some other things are un-acceptable. SOME things were better then in Origins, but not nearly a majority of the changes were. I feel that it is a good game, just not a good Bioware game. 


I was a bit over-zealous in my first post, I apologize.

Modifié par Gaius Octavian, 04 avril 2011 - 03:44 .

[JaegerBane]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

People have different ideas on what the word fantastic can be applied to. Opinions differing to your own? BURN THE WITCH.

For me it's a fantastic game because of what's good about it. That doesn't mean I would give it a 10/10 or something equally daft, it had major flaws. I could give it a 7 or 8 out of 10 and still call it fantastic quite happily. I would usually qualify it with a 'but' in a review though I admit.

Uh....

Well, I guess that the term 'fantastic' doesn't directly translate to anything objective, but if people are going to qualify their laudings with disclaimers about employing their own personal definition of the word I'd have to question what they're trying to achieve. You wouldn't normally call something average or above average 'fantastic' any more than you'd call something horrible 'pretty good' or something perfect 'ok' - that's kind of the point behind spoken language. Words have specific meanings.

I mean, frankly, I'd call DA2 above average because thats what it is. It's a pale shadow of it's predecessor and displays little of the epic scope and absorbing story that DA:O did. On the other hand, it does have better graphics, faster combat and the Force Mage specialisation, so I guess it's not all bad. But 'Fantastic'? The OP didn't really offer any compelling argument for such a position, so it's not a suprise he came in for a bit of flak.

[Drogo45]

mykeme wrote...

We've been through this already. Dragon Age 2, despite being marketed as an RPG, is actually an adventure game with RPG elements.

Daniel Webster?  Is this you?

[TomasKratky1]

JaegerBane wrote...

TomasKratky1 wrote...

DA2 was way better than DAO, imo. I
would even dare to say that when compared to all other BioWare games
I've played (KOTOR, JE, ME1, DA:O, ME2, DA:A), DA2 was the best and most
complex.
And honestly, I don't quite get all the negativism about
DA2. Obviously, there's always something you could criticize about any
given game (too much action, too hard combats, too easy combats, ...
whatever), but things that DA2 gets the criticism are the same for other
BW games. (I wouldn't call level design in DAO excelent, for
example.)

The reason the 'negativism' has been so acute for DA2 is that it's a backward step from DA:O in virtually every area. Less content, less interaction, less variations, and shorter, less involved storyline. It should really be self-evident why it got a lot of flak.

 I guess that opinions about DA2 depends a lot on the difficulty chosen. I've played both DAO and DA2 on Nightmare and my playtime was 44 hours for DAO and 71 for DA2 (I had played both games the same way - "all quests done"), so I don't get the "less content" claim. (Actually, among the BioWare games I've mentioned DA2 is the biggest.) Also, DA2 has way better and more challenging fights, DAO was easy when compared to DA2.
  Companions' stories are better and more complex in DA2, too - one quest in DAO, two or three in DA2 and the stories evolves through different acts, which feels more natural to me. There are more banters among party members in DA2, quests are more numerous and various than in DAO. (For example I don't remember any "escort quest" in DAO.)
 Art style is vastly improved in DA2, Deep Roads now look so much better than in DAO. It's probably even bigger difference than between ME1 and ME2. As for the shorter story, I don't think that it's really shorter than in DAO, it's just that in DA2 there's "more to do", thus the main plot suddenly doesn't seem so much in forefront. And I almost forgot voiced Hawke, I believe that it's much better than silent Grey Warden in DAO.

 Anyway, in the end, it's all about liking the game or not. If you liked it, you will find something to praise, if not, than there's always something to criticize. Btw, DAO has "reused" storyline from KOTOR and ME1 - "Become Jedi/SPECTRE/Grey Warden, visit four planets/cities and save the galaxy/world". I don't mind personally, quite the opposite - I really enjoyed the story in DAO, but from the criticism one could think that DAO had a fresh and original story, whereas DA2 is all cliche, which obviously isn't true.

JaegerBane wrote...
And frankly, claiming that it's better than ME2 and KOTOR is a pretty outlandish claim to make with no justification. What did it for you? The awesome button, perhaps?

 Don't get me wrong, I really love both KOTOR and ME2. I've played KOTOR six times and after all these years, I still remember some scenes from the game (moment when you get to know who your character really is, Bastila waiting for you on top of the Rakatan temple), which says a lot.
 But the world in KOTOR is quite black and white (you are either the good guy or the bad guy) and your choices have very little impact on this world (you save someone, he says "thank you", than maybe you will see him on some other place, but that's all). In DA2 you help someone in Act 1, later he will help you in Act 2 and then you will meet him again in Act 3. And everytime you meet him, he is changed somehow, depending on your previous choices. There's plenty of situations like that in DA2 and ir really feels like "shaping the world by your decisions".
 Of course, this is more or less true for all BioWare games, it's one of their trademarks, but just as ME2 improved upon its predecessors, DA2 did the same and took this to a new level. That's why I called DA2 most complex - I'm pretty sure that the "decisions tree" in DA2 is much bigger than in DAO or ME2. Add combat system that suits my taste better than KOTOR or ME2 ones and tons of quests (neither KOTOR nor ME2 had so many quests) to the equation and that's more than enough reason to me to call DA2 the better game.


P.s. Just for the record, I've played DA2 on PC, Nightmare difficulty, 2H Warrior. Maybe it would be quite interesting to know if ratio of people liking/disliking DA2 depends on the class. For example, I've finished DAO three time, once for a Warrior and twice as a Rogue, but playing as a mage I didn't like the game at all.

Modifié par TomasKratky1, 05 avril 2011 - 05:24 .

[Takrandro]

Still, a good and nice opinion Thomas.
I still need to do my first playtrough as a mage(on normal, only weaklings play on casual AKA easy mode), but i already think it will be very different from a rogue or warrior playtrough, like witch sibling stays alive..

Modifié par Takrandro, 04 avril 2011 - 11:41 .

[AshTheKing001]

I'll throw in my 2c because I support this thread's sentiment. I'm 30h into first play-through on Hard as a Mage and I am really enjoying it.

One aspect I'm enjoying more than DA:O is quest pacing and length. I found most DA:O segments to be just a hint too long. The Deep Roads, the Tower, Fade, Ashes all would have been better if they were 15% shorter. In DA2, so far I have enjoyed the quest lengths. Long enough to be challenging, but never overstaying their welcome.

Back to DA2 for me. Need to see what's around the corner!

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

AshTheKing001 wrote...
Back to DA2 for me. Need to see what's around the corner!

A strangly familiar cave.

[neppakyo]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

AshTheKing001 wrote...
Back to DA2 for me. Need to see what's around the corner!

A strangly familiar cave.

Don't forget the strangely familiar clones in the wave battles to come.

[Pyrate_d]

saying that DA2 is "bigger" than DAO is an outright lie

it's definitely a lot harder on nightmare, mainly because of extremely stupid stuff like poorly scaled health values and ridiculously hard to aim AOEs that are clearly not designed to be precisely positioned

[neppakyo]

Pyrate_d wrote...

saying that DA2 is "bigger" than DAO is an outright lie

it's definitely a lot harder on nightmare, mainly because of extremely stupid stuff like poorly scaled health values and ridiculously hard to aim AOEs that are clearly not designed to be precisely positioned

Thats why I turned the difficulty down. Just to end the tedious goddamned muthafookin' waves and waves of cloned enemies.

Why prolong it?

Modifié par neppakyo, 05 avril 2011 - 03:29 .

[Phoenix92254]

I loved the game! I preferred it to DAO, the only two things that origins has over this game is that DAO has more areas, sidequests and is a larger game (but a lot of those sidequests are not very compelling and the areas are rather bland) and the fact that Alistair and Morrigan aren't companions but other than I prefer DA2 over DAO.

[Aethion Dar]

Dragon Age Origins is Fantastic.

Dragon Age 2 is also Fantastic.

Bioware keeps me gaming.

[Corwyn]

neppakyo wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

AshTheKing001 wrote...
Back to DA2 for me. Need to see what's around the corner!

A strangly familiar cave.

Don't forget the strangely familiar clones in the wave battles to come.

DAO enemies were also a rather generic bunch but I do agree with you about the waves, one of the things I prefered about DAO was smaller amounts of enemies but with more work to take them down.

I liked DA2 boss fights better though.  I found the high dragon in DA2 more enjoyable then the DAO one for example. 

[sassperella]

I loved it and am on my fourth playthrough.
Yes it had a few issues - bugs, re-used environments etc. But at the end of the day I thoroughly enjoyed the game and the story and look forward to more.

[Khjohnsen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Khjohnsen wrote...

I thouroughly enjoy it... Great story and even greater story telling... More realistic roleplaying in the frustration of not being able to influence everything, which is fun and different... Fun combat...

A bit rough round the edges but nothing gamebreaking for me. I'll buy DLC...

Want to explain what is so fun about being in stasis for 3 years to make that possible ?

Nope... I don't argue on the Internet!

[Nerys]

I agree with the OP. I love this game.
I wish there could have been more interaction with our companions, specifically our LI's, but I am enjoying DA2 very much.