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#201
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neppakyo wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

saying that DA2 is "bigger" than DAO is an outright lie

it's definitely a lot harder on nightmare, mainly because of extremely stupid stuff like poorly scaled health values and ridiculously hard to aim AOEs that are clearly not designed to be precisely positioned


Thats why I turned the difficulty down. Just to end the tedious goddamned muthafookin' waves and waves of cloned enemies.

Why prolong it?


Did you push a button to make something awsome happen ? if it's not the case that's why they keep comming.
Push Da Button !

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 05 avril 2011 - 12:18 .


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Macgarnickle wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

I must admit, I'm amused that a member of Bioware deigned to post in this thread rather in one of the many negative ones I see on the page.


Why? It's not like the moderator came in and high fived the OP he just asked people to keep it civil.  What are they going to say in most of the negative threads that would make anybody happy?  Most of the people with pitchforks accusing Bioware of selling thier souls aren't really interested in discourse about the game they just want to complain about what they didn't like and hear others agree with them.  

This isn't to accuse anybody who didn't like the game of being unreasonable just saying the people going on about how this is WORST GAME EVAR aren't going to be satisfied by anything a Bioware employee has to say, I don't blame the moderators for not bothering.


Calm yourself. Did I say anything more than it amused me?

EDIT // Okay, now that my eye has stopped twitching: When looking at the amount of negative threads compared to the positive ones, and then seeing the only one on the page to have a mod/Bioware dude say anything is titled "Dragon Age II is FANTASTIC!" I find the funny side.

Surely in the negatively geered threads there has been need to tell folk to keep civilised. I'm not going to trawl back through this thread to find what exactly was said, but I do hope that the moderators are telling the aggressive fanboys to behave as well as the aggressive bashers.

Modifié par LyndseyCousland, 05 avril 2011 - 12:34 .


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I strongly disagree with a majority of what you said in the following post OP:

Dubya75 wrote...

With all the negativity surrounding DA2 still pouring in, I felt compelled to post my impressions of what I perceive to be an excellent (albeit not perfect) game. Naturally, I will make some comparisons to Origins:


I'd call it more criticism, while that can be construed as negative, it isn't.

Overall user interface:
Menus all look clean and easy to navigate.
Loading screens are an absolute delight compared to the one loading screen in Origins repeated over and over again.
The art style of these are also very unique as far as fantasy games go. It has it's own identity which is a good thing.
Once in the game, the UI is much less obtrusive than it was in Origins with a more transparent look, especially the mini map.
Full maps are also a lot easier to navigate (except for the fact that blocked areas still show as accessible which got me a bit lost at times)
Attributes, Abilities and Tactics menus are also layed out in a way to make it feel less cumbersome than Origins.
World map however does not really help with getting an overall geographic feel for the layout of Kirkwall and the surrounding areas. This was done better in Origins, although the addition of day/night toggle is a welcome addition.
OVERALL - BETTER THAN ORIGINS


Clean and easy, I'll go with that for the most part. Simpler is not always better though. The UI looked like it had no place in a "dark rpg".
it may be my PC specs, but i didnt notice much of a difference with load times, maybe 5 - 10 seconds. the more mods i had though the worse it became.
Art style is rediculous. Darkspawn look like crap - their armour looked terrible, they didn't look more menacing, they looked comical.
Maps for the most part did look better.
Tactics wasnt really needed in DA2, i think i went in there once and the specific tactics i wanted didnt even show up. Simpler was not better here.
Abilities took me a few minutes to get my head around, I liked the new look though.
World map was nice in origins, the "area map" for kirkwall was not bad but didnt really appeal to much to me, it felt tedious switching screens constantly. Day / night toggle was a nice feature though.

Environments:
Although there are a lot of recycling done (which I am not happy with), the environments do look amazing. I often find myself looking around and very few times did I see unfinished textures (not speaking of NPCs).
The detail of some textures are so much better than it was in Origins, giving it much more atmosphere also thanks to the great music and ambient sounds.
Lighting in all areas also vastly improved.
OVERALL - MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS

i downloaded the hd textures and while i agree that while the characters and kirkwall itself looks pretty and impressive, armour didn't look that great and cliffs were still jagged, couldnt look at them without thinking "this is poor design".
music was good, ambient sound wasnt as good as origins though
lack of areas was the worst feature i've ever seen in a game, even now i cant stomach a full second playthrough.

Animations & object textures:
This is one area where I think Origins did better - strangely enough. Especially with facial and head movement, animations in DA2 seems more wooden.
Although interaction with objects have been added, it has also highlighted the absolutely appalling hand animation and design.
Some textures look really good, especially on unique weapons and armor. Sadly however, this is let down by some really bad textures on some generic pieces (cameo character armor for example). I've not seen such bad textures in Origins.
Moving sky, fire and smoke animations and textures on the other hand are vastly improved from Origins, especially when enabling DX11.
Areas like The Hanged Man that should be packed with people only have a handful of NPCs standing around, some of which look pretty bad. However not much different to the way it was done in Origins.
OVERALL - SOME BETTER, SOME WORSE


Animations in both melee combat (weapons) and facial expressions were far superior in Origins. It actually looked more realistic. However mage animations and ranged combat looked amazing in DA2.
I agree with everything else you've said there though.

Gameplay:
Still feels distinctly like playing Dragon Age.
The one thing I miss most is not being able to have a conversation with a companion when I choose to, instead having to wait for a prompt.
Combat feels fresh and remains fun throughout the entire game, as opposed to the incredibly tedious combat in Origins.
Waves of enemies also makes it feel a lot more organic and realistic and keeps you on your toes throughout.
All classes are fun to play now, much better balance than Origins.
Travelling also seems better especially having multiple exit points in all (or most) areas.
There are a good number of choices which does have effects later on, however would have liked to see more branching out based on these choices more.
OVERALL - MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS

I agree, still feels similar to DA:O!
I agree again!
Fresh and fun? I'm sorry? what?! It felt like i was watching a poorly filmed medieval fantasy film! Combat didnt feel like "press a button and awesome happens" it felt like "press a button and something rediculously stupid happens".
Waves of enemies was incredibly tedious, unrealistic and broke immersion everytime you went in to combat.
I switch between characters all the time, did in origins too, the only difference was that mages felt weaker, no tactics required at all until boss fights. Archery is still god like and easy to play but feels like you are doing all the work, melee feels incredibly boring and doesnt feel like you are controlling the actions rather than watching it happen.
As soon as combat started again, it was more like "do i really have to fight you again generic mob? It's a giant waste of time". In Origins, every action you took was reflective on play style and felt more fluid, responsive and generally felt more "heroic" after a battle.
Choices had a similar impact as Origins, no complaints there.
Travelling felt worse than origins to me, felt tedious going from one area in low town to another...
Overall - Origins is far superior in many many ways.

Sound & Music:
So much better in so many ways! Too many things to list.

In order to avoid the danger of this post becoming a grocery list, I'll end with saying that in my opinion Dragon Age 2 is overall on par with Origins. Many things are done better, but sadly for many people this is overshadowed by the things that are done worse or perhaps only different than Origins.

I still love Dragon Age and hope the franchise never dies! :o


I would say that DA2 is the more attractive younger brother who doesnt really know what he wants to be yet. But overall the game is mediocre at best.

[Edit]
For those who have a problem with me using the word "fantastic":

fan·tas·tic   [fan-tas-tik]–adjective1.conceived or appearing as if conceived by an unrestrained imagination; odd and remarkable; bizarre; grotesque: fantastic rock formations; fantastic designs.2.fanciful or capricious, as persons or their ideas or actions: We never know what that fantastic creature will say next.3.imaginary or groundless in not being based on reality; foolish or irrational: fantastic fears.4.extravagantly fanciful; marvelous.5.incredibly great or extreme; exorbitant: to spend fantastic sums of money.6.highly unrealistic or impractical; outlandish: a fantastic scheme to make a million dollars betting on horse races.7.Informal . extraordinarily good: a fantastic musical.

 

me·di·o·cre



[*]average: lacking exceptional quality or ability; "a novel of average merit"; "only a fair performance of the sonata"; "in fair health"; "the caliber of the students has gone from mediocre to above average"; "the performance was middling at best"

Modifié par Poubo, 05 avril 2011 - 01:06 .


#204
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Dubya75 wrote...

With all the negativity surrounding DA2 still pouring in, I felt compelled to post my impressions of what I perceive to be an excellent (albeit not perfect) game. Naturally, I will make some comparisons to Origins:

Overall user interface:
OVERALL - BETTER THAN ORIGINS

Environments:

OVERALL - MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS

Gameplay:

OVERALL - MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS

Sound & Music:
So much better in so many ways! Too many things to list.

 


/facepalm

Loading screens an absolute delight to watch? Give me a break...
Every five minutes there is a damn loading screen...And they're not delightful to watch, especially when the game freezes. How funny!
Environments...MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS? I chuckled...Nothing more to say here...
Sound and Music...really meh. Some parts of Kirkwall don't even have music (or sound, apart from the sound of the wind).
The Art Style...unique, sure. Generic waves of enemies, a lot of enemies recycled from DA:O, some ugly models, surely...it's way better than Origins :innocent:

Anyway, glad that you like the game.
You think it's fantastic, that's perfect. For me, it's really far from "fantastic".

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 05 avril 2011 - 01:49 .


#205
Dubya75

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Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

With all the negativity surrounding DA2 still pouring in, I felt compelled to post my impressions of what I perceive to be an excellent (albeit not perfect) game. Naturally, I will make some comparisons to Origins:

Overall user interface:
OVERALL - BETTER THAN ORIGINS

Environments:

OVERALL - MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS

Gameplay:

OVERALL - MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS

Sound & Music:
So much better in so many ways! Too many things to list.

 


/facepalm

Loading screens an absolute delight to watch? Give me a break...
Every five minutes there is a damn loading screen...And they're not delightful to watch, especially when the game freezes. How funny!
Environments...MUCH BETTER THAN ORIGINS? I chuckled...Nothing more to say here...
Sound and Music...really meh. Some parts of Kirkwall don't even have music (or sound, apart from the sound of the wind).
The Art Style...unique, sure. Generic waves of enemies, a lot of enemies recycled from DA:O, some ugly models, surely...it's way better than Origins :innocent:

Anyway, glad that you like the game.
You think it's fantastic, that's perfect. For me, it's really far from "fantastic".


You know what, I will give you that break!

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I agree that the UI and the gameplay is more enjoyable than Origins. Ill even concede that it has better sound overall, though I dont know if I would necessarily include music in that. But, the environments being better is just not true. I dont even think its a matter of individual opinion. The 3 environments that are in the game are NOT!!! better than the plethora of environments from Origins. You'd have to be smoking something to think otherwise.

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Dubya75 wrote...
You know what, I will give you that break!


I appreciate it.

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Purple People Eater wrote...

I agree that the UI and the gameplay is more enjoyable than Origins. Ill even concede that it has better sound overall, though I dont know if I would necessarily include music in that. But, the environments being better is just not true. I dont even think its a matter of individual opinion. The 3 environments that are in the game are NOT!!! better than the plethora of environments from Origins. You'd have to be smoking something to think otherwise.


OK, you've inspired me to take some screenshots and compile some comparisons...then we can talk again.
Sure, Origins has more and larger areas, but the quality in DA2 is way better!
Watch this space.

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Dubya75 wrote...
Sure, Origins has more and larger areas, but the quality in DA2 is way better!


The environments HAD to look better.
I'd be damned if DA2 had recycled environments with WORSE quality than Origins.

The overall quality is worse, though. So much clipping and graphical glitches, low-res textures, generic enemies, etc, etc.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 05 avril 2011 - 02:22 .


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It's a simple case of user experience, per game/console/PC. I have read about the nightmares of the game simply not working. That in itself is a killer- and that group has a right to bytch!!! Some of us, like myself- have had zero problems, smooth gameplay, I am on my second playthrough and changing sides, still using the same character, making different decisions, has opened up dozens of quests I never expected- a delightful surprise as i said for using the warrior character again.

The game is gorgeous- in fact- though the demo might have seemed horrible in it's surroundings- I was finding myself looking around at the sky and smoke and was blown away. Sometimes i still stop and watch the sea and sky and clouds.

The gameplay had a small learning curve after playing Origins, but that was a breeze with a modernized interface close enough to the first game. Now this is my view from a XBOX perspective and obviously I am grateful I don't have the PC glitches. The game kicks azz, and if it's re-playability continues, I will spend about 60 hours (compared to over a hundred) on the basic playthrough with all quests.

Basically, is the game a great game without the HUGE fallout from horrible errors and glitches? Some of us got lucky. Will DA:2 be as good as DA: Origins (Ultimate)? Only if another disk comes out with content. But it's still a solid fun game. For some of us. For others, the game has left a big scar.

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Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...
Sure, Origins has more and larger areas, but the quality in DA2 is way better!


The environments HAD to look better.
I'd be damned if DA2 had recycled environments with WORSE quality than Origins.

The overall quality is worse, though. So much clipping and graphical glitches, low-res textures, generic enemies, etc, etc.


I cant say I agree, I played on the PC with DX 11 and the HQ pack though

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I mostly agree with the OP views though there is a few things as you can see in my review that I don't agree.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6673165/1

Glad to see a few more people that like the game too. :wizard:

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I started out not really liking the game...I guess I was hanging on to an Origins mind set, but after playing it through, first as a rogue, and now as a mage, I absolutely love it. Yes it is different in many ways from Origins, yet there's enough mention of Ferelden and even the appearance of some of it's characters to tie them together so that you still have a connection. I find the choices in DA2 much more challenging than in Origins, I have actually had to stop, go have a cup of coffee, walk around a bit, before deciding what I would do next. To me that's great writing, and good plot. Not your usual "Tolkienesque" rpg, but quite enjoyable and a welcome change. The repeat dungeons and hordes of enemies jumping out of the woodwork don't bother me now that I've got my tactics set and my npcs equipped with the best I can find, so I'll be playing as a warrior my third playthrough. : )