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[tariq071]

@Dark83

I do agree on FO3 and Oblivion view, and i don't hold them as the best in their respective series either(yeah Morrowind was much better, and let's not even go about depth of Dagerfall).I won't go into dumbing down for consoles part , because that can possibly start another type of flame war here.

But i do believe that you can agree that there was still enough beef in the game(s) to easily have another marry go around from completely different perspective.In FO:LV you have "rise to power " gameplay but you can get there in at least 4-5 difeernt ways, with different effects along th line, even for dedicated completionist type like me.

At the same time, i am not against RPG "evolving" , but unfortunatelly DA 2 is not something that evolved, but rather devolved almost in every possible way.Removing more and more rpg elements to cater public that doesn't want to hassle about anything, and calling it "improved and evolved" RPG  is quite insulting to my intelligence..

- Do i want BW to get closed , or never make another game? Not at all.
- Am i going to buy another BW game? Yes i will, but not  blindly anymore and only after i am sure that game is actually what they claim to be.
- Do i want BW to lose money on DA 2? Yes i do, so they don't repeat, hopefully, this embarassment of this game again.

That's why i am here posting my opinion, when in the past i only visited forums for mods and patches.


P.S. thank you for good reply instead of wannabe insulting snippy one liner , which appears to be intelectual limit for most of the defenders today.

Modifié par tariq071, 06 avril 2011 - 06:47 .

[Dark83]

tariq071 wrote...

@Dark83

I do agree on FO3 and Oblivion view, and i don't hold them as the best in their respective series either(yeah Morrowind was much better, and let's not even go about depth of Dagerfall).I won't go into dumbing down for consoles part , because that can possibly start another type of flame war here.

I'm just really annoyed at console hardware limitations removing flight. Grrr... The gamebyro engine also sucked. That's why they couldn't add cars/bikes in FNV, because the engine acts really... interesting at high speeds.

I didn't play that much of Daggerfall, actually. I remember looting stores by staying in them overnight, but otherwise it was all kinda samey. I may have been too young at the time.

tariq071 wrote...
But i do believe that you can agree that there was still enough beef in the game(s) to easily have another marry go around from completely different perspective.In FO:LV you have "rise to power " gameplay but you can get there in at least 4-5 difeernt ways, with different effects along th line, even for dedicated completionist type like me.

Well, I didn't do more than one playthrough of FO3, because by the time I was done I had seen everything. The prospect of redoing it all was...
I'd also used the console to reset my level to 19 almost a dozen times, and pretty much every skill was maxed. Power-gamed the crap outta that.

FNV is better for replays than FO3 precisely because our choices have an impact. How we deal with Ceaser's Legion, for example, is a mutually exclusive choice. Morrowind's choice of houses is mutually exclusive (hm, though I remember gaming that). I never replayed Oblivion because of the guddamn Oblivion gates. <_< As a completionist, Oblivion and FO3 offered nothing to me for replays.

...of course, BG2 is practically as linear, hm. I guess it was just more fun to do it again?

tariq071 wrote...

P.S. thank you for good reply instead of wannabe insulting snippy one liner , which appears to be intelectual limit for most of the defenders today.

Eh, your point was worthy of an actual response. I missed FO2's ending slides when FO3 came out. (Though admittedly FO2 is better with the fanpatch that fixed broken endings, heh.)

Besides, I'm not one of those who attack/defend a game, but their individual components. I can say FO3 was a great sandbox, but had a story that made me rage. *insert rant about filtering radiation from water only requiring dirt*

Modifié par Dark83, 06 avril 2011 - 06:58 .

[jadefishes]

I can easily do more than one run. Easily. There are three classes, three general personality types, four romance options, two factions to side with, several Origins/Awakenings cameo options. How can you not do more than one run would be my question.

[Tekman9]

i thought oblvion is one of the most overrated games ive ever played. You can gimp your character by picking a premade class..... Fallout 3's sidequests were so freaking boring I finally just blazed thru the story to get to the end (the story wasnt bad). I think oblivion has one of the most flawed character advancement mechanics in the history of major RPGs and I just cant see how that gets overlooked.

Playing DA2 makes me wanna try to pick up oblivion again, but I really just couldnt get into it the firs time. I bought it for PC and it was ... whatever. FO3 was more entertaining to me even tho I like the fantasy genre better. I dont have a PC that can run either of those games anymore so Im thinkin about getting Oblivion off xbox ondemand or whatever and givin it another go around. Maybe if i use enough herbal performance enhancers I will find it fascinating. I was not able to do this when I first played

[Dark83]

Yeah, Oblivion was FUBAR if you didn't know how to game the system. In many, many ways it was a step back from Morrowind. The inability to delete spells in a system that let you create multiple spells, for example. You could literally have one hundred spells that did the same thing at different magnitudes. This would be fine in Morrowind, you could always have the most powerful you could reliably cast at any one time. Oblivion? You're SOL.

[LocutusX]

@Tekman9

Yeah I actually think most non-casual RPG gamers are well aware of Oblivion's shortcomings. I've seen it discussed on every game site from here to the moon, and even on non-gaming sites! (on a typical "Deals" forum, if someone posts something about Oblivion GOTY being on sale there will be a bunch of posts about how much it sucks, etc.)

However I'm hopeful that Bethesda will make major strides in playability and gameplay for Skyrim. fingers crossed!

[Tekman9]

i just remember picking the premade offensive spell caster swordsman guy class (spellsword?) because I wanted something like the shadow knight I played in EQ. Its abilities were all stupid about it and I had to run around punching stuff with my fist before I leveled up or I would get like no strength bonus.

I guess im kinda a hypocrite because I like the complexity of the old DnD cRPGs but never liked the elder scrolls.... FO3 did a much better job with advancement I thought. Skipped New Vegas also. Just because you can make a world thats like 50 square miles and have a bunch of sidequests doesn't necessarily mean its a 'Good Thing'

On a related note. How can I get ahold of a copy of like the baldurs gate and icewind dale series withOUT pirating? Unfortunately I pirated IWDII when I was a poor college freshman, but i really really liked it but my save got corrupted or something so i could never finish it =P. Ive since read the IWD trilogy id like to try to play it again. I actually own IWD1 but lost the cd =(((

Did anyone ever play Temple of Elemental Evil? That game was buggy as hell, but I thought the dnd combat was handled really well.

Modifié par Tekman9, 07 avril 2011 - 03:29 .

[am_victory]

DA2 is the first game I've done back-to-back replays with. Origins, while I enjoyed the game and think it's a classic, I only managed one complete play-through and each of the origins to Ostagar. I just could not summon up the enthusiasm to do another full play-through again. That doesn't mean the game sucked, by any stretch. I probably got at least 100 hours of play out of it. It just means that there were some areas that dragged interminably for me. With DA2, though, I'm on my second playthrough (Act 3) and I have plans for probably two more plays.
First play - snarky archer rogue, friend romanced Fenris. Wasn't friends with everyone, but had no rivals. Lost Isabela. Was neutral 'til the end, then sided with mages.
This play - Mostly direct / aggressive elemental / force mage, occasionally snarky or diplomatic. Friendly romance with Anders. Rival with Merrill, Isabela came back after Act 2. Siding with mages the whole time.
Next play - Diplomatic / kind warrior. Will play a male and romance Merrill (first two plays were females). Will side with Templars.
Fourth play - dual-wielding rogue, female again. Will probably side with templars. Will probably romance Fenris, then switch to rivalmance Anders. Not sure on that yet.

So, yeah, your mileage may vary. I've noticed that a lot of people who couldn't do repeat plays on Origins are doing replays on DA2.

[Dark83]

You should give FNV a try, it's much better than FO3 in terms of story, writing, choices, and utility of the skill system.

I really liked ToEE, but once I started delving into the temple proper it lost my interest, being pretty much just a combat emulator.

You may want to look at GoG. I believe they have the Baldur's Gate series, and the Icewind Dale series. It's not a physical copy, though. http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/

Dunno if Bioware's own online store carries it, it tends to be stuff like hoodies and posters of Mordin Solus.

[am_victory]

Tekman9 wrote...
On a related note. How can I get ahold of a copy of like the baldurs gate and icewind dale series withOUT pirating? Unfortunately I pirated IWDII when I was a poor college freshman, but i really really liked it but my save got corrupted or something so i could never finish it =P. Ive since read the IWD trilogy id like to try to play it again. I actually own IWD1 but lost the cd =(((

Did anyone ever play Temple of Elemental Evil? That game was buggy as hell, but I thought the dnd combat was handled really well.

Amazon loves you :-)
www.amazon.com/Baldurs-Gate-4-1-Boxset-Pc/dp/B000FGA1US/ref=sr_1_1 - Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, with the expansion packs of both

www.amazon.com/Icewind-Dale-Collection-Pc/dp/B00006JZEY/ref=sr_1_1 - Ice Wind Dale / Heart of Winter / IWD 2

I think they're both $15ish, and both are eligible for prime shipping.

As for ToEE - yepper.  I enjoyed it.  Reminded me of the Gold Box games.  It really was a shame it was so darned buggy

[CitizenThom]

omrix wrote...

How can  you possibly do more than one run??? 

I think this is a topic for the Technical Self Help forums, but here's the answer anyways:

Once the credits have finished after the first playthrough, the game will return to the Main Menu. Select the option that is titled 'New Game'. Selecting this option will allow you do to do more than one run.

Any other questions?

[Tekman9]

Dark83 wrote...

You should give FNV a try, it's much better than FO3 in terms of story, writing, choices, and utility of the skill system.

I really liked ToEE, but once I started delving into the temple proper it lost my interest, being pretty much just a combat emulator.

You may want to look at GoG. I believe they have the Baldur's Gate series, and the Icewind Dale series. It's not a physical copy, though. http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/

Dunno if Bioware's own online store carries it, it tends to be stuff like hoodies and posters of Mordin Solus.

I was going to post this like 3 hours ago but my work internet went down...

I can get posters of Mordin Solus?

Yeah ToEE was straight up combat emulator, I mean I think thats what it was designed to be.  As a guy that never got to actually play DnD (haha too cool i guess, poor me =P) I really enjoyed it.  Hmm maybe ill pick up FNV. I have like 6 games I havent opened anyway, whats one more.  Right now im spending all my time playing Deadly Premonition a budget title that got a 2/10 from IGN.  It even pulled me away from DA2 =P Open World, survival horror / detective type game with a great sense of humor and a craaazy story.  Love it.  The guy that gave it a 2/10, doesnt work at IGN anymore =P

Yeah I saw that GoG site before but it looks like not US based.  Will that cause any problems for a US gamer?  Also will taht site be around for a while and let me download the game more than once?  My computer likes to make me have to reformat it twice a year =/

Modifié par Tekman9, 07 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[Horus Blackheart]

short answer you cant, no ive tried to play with the mindset of a designer hoping that there was some secert depth that i was aparently missing.. but the more play thougha the more disapointed i got..


for shame bioware

[Tekman9]

if you buy the original disc based PS:T is it going to run on a modern pc? (windows xp)

[Horus Blackheart]

Tekman9 wrote...

if you buy the original disc based PS:T is it going to run on a modern pc? (windows xp)

yes pst will run fine on xp you may need to tweek the gfx settings and use a few mods otherwise yeah no probs.

Edit gogs ver comes prepatched  so id go with that over the disks personaly

Modifié par Horus Blackheart, 07 avril 2011 - 06:34 .

[Tekman9]

i remember trying to play some older PC games like 8 years ago and they would run way too fast and i had to download something called dosbox and could never get anything to work right =/

Im tech savvy btw =(

[am_victory]

Horus Blackheart wrote...

short answer you cant, no ive tried to play with the mindset of a designer hoping that there was some secert depth that i was aparently missing.. but the more play thougha the more disapointed i got..


for shame bioware

Short answer:  YOU can't.  Some of us are very happily doing multiple plays.

[Horus Blackheart]

gog handels all of that but you just get the vanila game and patch usaly. ie no mods unless its needed for compatblity reasons

[Tekman9]

how worthwhile are mods to the infinity engine games? I never even knew they existed I guess, even when the games were new

[Horus Blackheart]

am_victory wrote...

Horus Blackheart wrote...

short answer you cant, no ive tried to play with the mindset of a designer hoping that there was some secert depth that i was aparently missing.. but the more play thougha the more disapointed i got..


for shame bioware

Short answer:  YOU can't.  Some of us are very happily doing multiple plays.

i'm so happy you love medocraty

serously I respect you like the game but thats no reason to try and invaladate my view,

[Horus Blackheart]

Tekman9 wrote...

how worthwhile are mods to the infinity engine games? I never even knew they existed I guess, even when the games were new

this is getting way off topic if you have questions pm me i'll try to help you out.

[Rockpopple]

Your view (That it's not possible to do more than one run) is invalidated by the sheer fact that many people are happily doing many runs.

[Tekman9]

meh, this topic isnt even legit and has been fleshed out already.

[Horus Blackheart]

Rockpopple wrote...

Your view (That it's not possible to do more than one run) is invalidated by the sheer fact that many people are happily doing many runs.

woopy do

can i have another $60 please

replaying da2 was a chore