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[JamieCOTC]

The rachni queen may be loyal to Shepard, but I thought the theory was that rachni were easily indoctrinated. She may turn no matter what. Also, how will the Krogan feel about fighting along side the rachni? Even Wrex might pause at that. If ME3 were a true RPG, then this is where persuasion would come in quite handy. I highly doubt BW is going to punish player choices whether they are paragon or renegade. Paragons save the galaxy and then get the parade. Renegades save the galaxy and go home alone. That's really the only difference.

[Reiella]

QwertyQwerty wrote...

Why would she? Shepard is now a hero of the Rachni Race.

Well, her interests are more vested in her race specifically is the premise.  Or perhaps the whole 'Reapers make them Rachni puppets again' idea.

[Nerevar-as]

I wouldn´t get any more BW games. No money for people who write preemptive genocide as the right thing to do.

[Reiella]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I wouldn´t get any more BW games. No money for people who write preemptive genocide as the right thing to do.

Eh, I wouldn't read into it like that.  Then again, I don't begrudge the situation in DA2 with the Templar/Mages either.  It's a sucky situation all around.

[sagefic]

i'd still do it. i'm not down with metagaming and my shep isn't down with genocide.

[Nerevar-as]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I wouldn´t get any more BW games. No money for people who write preemptive genocide as the right thing to do.

I refuse to play games that don't recognize Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour.

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[vx SmOkEy xv]

I make decisions as if i was actually there.
I killed fist.
Recruited garrus - killed doctor heart.
shot that exo geni guy making demands
Reasoned with wrex
Left kaiden
Got body back for that guy who knew of ash williams
Argued non stop with the council (that turian always made a stupid comment...)
Saved the rachni queen. (you cant wipe out an entire species because of a mistake they made in the past)
I left the council to die, the reaper threat was far more inportant
made saren see what a tool he was to sovereign.(renegade)
voted for anderson to go on the council.
so paragade maybe?

[Admoniter]

Arcian wrote...
How is being a good person a cliché? A cliché is something so overused that it has lost its original meaning. The concept of an altruistic hero is such a basic and simple idea that the only way it can lose it's original meaning is if the person trying to understand it has been lobotomized.

I'm not taking issue with being a good person. I take issue with that in just about every medium the "all life is sacred, everybody deserves a second chance," guy is always right, all his judgement calls turn out to be the correct ones. Where-as the "I prefer efficiency" guy always becomes the selfish genocidal jerk.

If anything, a douchebag hero who kill people left and right and somehow avoids the karmic banhammer is a cliché. A'la, renegade Shepard in ME1 and ME2, the self-righteous murderer who does the absolute minimum of selfless work and spends the rest of his/her time being a gigantic jerk, pissing people off and kicking dogs, for no discernible reasons other than the acts themselves.

This is another problem with the P/R system especially in ME2 it became more or less the standard morality system. Which IMO it shouldn't be, what it really should be is what it was originally, the diference between idealism and pragmatism, one isn't necessarily better than the other and one isn't necessarily a douche because in their mind the mission always comes first.

I will give you this compared to ME1, ME2s renegades are complete douches, who are giants pricks because they can be. And yes ME is guilty of this as well but to a much lesser degree.

I think it's strange when people play their characters like ****s in games and act surprised when they have to suffer some karmic backlash for it, and who then goes on to deride players who go out of their way to help people and get something for it. You can't be a jerk and expect something good to come out of it.

I'm not asking that paragons get punished for saving lifes and being all around nice guys. I'm just saying I would like it if not every "good" decision turned out to be beneficial. I don't want to see the traditional system in play ala Fable 3 where being idealistic is hard and being pragmatic is the easy way out. Thats my issue here that pragamatic people are portrayed as being interchangable with evil people.

As for the rachni, in-game sources have already established that the rachni were being indoctrinated by Sovereign, and that this was the reason why they were waging war against the Citadel species. It literally cannot come back and bite us in the ass, because that queen is totally psyched Shepard let it live and event went through the trouble of making friends with an asari and having her seek Shepard out to tell him/her how thankful it is and how it's going to help out with fighting the reapers.

No they have no confirmation of anything except for the word of the Queen, and she is looking out for her survival as well as her species. Who's to say that she didn't fabricate a story so that as to make it seem as though her species was not at fault for their actions. Furthermore whats to stop the Reapers from indoctrinating the Rachni again, after all it would be fairly easy.

Modifié par Admoniter, 03 avril 2011 - 08:29 .

[Labrev]

"Oh well."

I would still think I did the right thing, all things considered. If the Rachni violate that trust, that's their fault. It happens.

[Ice Cold J]

Still wouldn't feel bad about saving them. I did it because it seemed like the "right" thing to do. I wasn't looking for allies at the time. I didn't even think The Reapers were as long-term a threat as I know them to be now.

I think I'd go, "Son of a..." and just move on.

[esideras]

I'd like that acually.
I would like to see some of my paragon actions go wrong in the end, but I won't change it.
I simply did what is thought was right, wheter it was a paragon or renegade action.

[Legbiter]

I killed that bug on half my playthroughs. It'll be interesting to see how it goes down. I'm good with it going either way.

Modifié par Legbiter, 03 avril 2011 - 11:09 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Initial reaction: Damn, should have seen this coming.

But then I'd be like: YEAH MAN LET'S SHOOT SOME BUGS!

[LadyJaneGrey]

Laugh like mad and pull insect repellent out of my utility belt.

[Malanek]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I wouldn´t get any more BW games. No money for people who write preemptive genocide as the right thing to do.

Even if it does come back to bite you in the ass, it can still be argued that avoiding genocide was still the "right" thing to do.

[KujiMuji]

Barquiel wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Killing the queen seemed... irrational. I never even looked at it as a choice - she was the only remnant of an ancient race forced into war by indoctrination, and I wasn't about to cause its extinction by pressing a single button. If it turns against me, fine, I'll deal with it right then and there.

this

I can't condemn the queen to death for something she hasn't done.

All of this.

[Axeface]

To be honest, I would love it either way. It's a very interesting story and could go many ways.

[Lucifer_Cheney]

First, let me say that I would continue to play ME3 until the end. However, in what I could only describe as unbridled and irrational rage, I would replay both ME1 & ME2  as Terra Firma Shepard: extraterrestrial xenophobe. From there I would proceed to kill not only the Rachni Queen, but EVERY alien species I could, while making those I couldn't suffer any way possible.

edited for grammar!

Modifié par Lucifer_Cheney, 04 avril 2011 - 12:17 .

[Nerdage]

"Uhh... Liara told me to do it!"

I don't think the Rachni would be stupid enough to start a galaxy-wide war with the reapers coming, maybe they're indoctrinated again but that seems a little cheap. Would probably be the only time Mass Effect went out of its way to really kick the paragons, too.

Modifié par nerdage, 04 avril 2011 - 12:23 .

[Kingthlayer]

I wouldn't know until I came here and seen the 500 topics of whining. Then I would proceed to laugh at the people that decided to listen to her lies. I really hope no paragon mass effect player ever get the job of a judge or jury duty.

They'll probably believe a serial killer who said that the voices made him do it. lolparagons.

[jeweledleah]

Axeface wrote...

To be honest, I would love it either way. It's a very interesting story and could go many ways.

this.

I'm just not getting the whole "us against them" mentality some players have, paragon, renegade - its all part of the game, just different facets of it.

[Revya]

The evil Bug race is one of the biggest cliches in science science fiction, I would rather they be good at least that is something different.