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[Almostfaceman]

LGTX wrote...

Killing the queen seemed... irrational. I never even looked at it as a choice - she was the only remnant of an ancient race forced into war by indoctrination, and I wasn't about to cause its extinction by pressing a single button. If it turns against me, fine, I'll deal with it right then and there.

I agree.  The queen makes the attempt to communicate and state her case, and she's the "last of her kind".  I can't see killing her except in self defense.

[LGTX]

Clonedzero wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Killing the queen seemed... irrational. I never even looked at it as a choice - she was the only remnant of an ancient race forced into war by indoctrination, and I wasn't about to cause its extinction by pressing a single button. If it turns against me, fine, I'll deal with it right then and there.

at the time of the choice you had no idea the war was caused by indoctrination. you are breaking the role playing aspect by metagaming. stop it.

I'm pretty sure the queen herself said that as she conversed with me on Noveria. Metagaming doesn't equal being open-minded.

Disregarding the fact that you can't really command my playstyle, of course.

Modifié par LGTX, 04 avril 2011 - 04:07 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Depends, how would people react if The Illusive Man decided to use his new Reaper Technology against Shepard?

[Kaiser Shepard]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Depends, how would people react if The Illusive Man decided to use his new Reaper Technology against Shepard?

Pretty much the same, but with the Paragons and Renegades reversed. Me, not trusting Mr. Harper nor the queen, will be ready to "I told you so" both groups just in case.

[xzxzxz701]

LGTX wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Killing the queen seemed... irrational. I never even looked at it as a choice - she was the only remnant of an ancient race forced into war by indoctrination, and I wasn't about to cause its extinction by pressing a single button. If it turns against me, fine, I'll deal with it right then and there.

at the time of the choice you had no idea the war was caused by indoctrination. you are breaking the role playing aspect by metagaming. stop it.

I'm pretty sure the queen herself said that as she conversed with me on Noveria. Metagaming doesn't equal being open-minded.

Disregarding the fact that you can't really command my playstyle, of course.

No, she didin't. She talks about something messing with the Rachni voice, but thats it. Its meta gaming if you base you choice on indoctrination.

Rachni queen says hi.

Modifié par xzxzxz701, 04 avril 2011 - 04:24 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I don't see why she would. Shepard saved her entire people from certain extinction. She has to respect that. Not to mention all signs seem to suggest that she will back to aid you in the fight against the Reapers.

[xzxzxz701]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I don't see why she would. Shepard saved her entire people from certain extinction. She has to respect that. Not to mention all signs seem to suggest that she will back to aid you in the fight against the Reapers.

The thing is she may not have a choice if the Reapers mess with their song again. (if what she said was true)

[Varus Praetor]

LGTX wrote...

Killing the queen seemed... irrational. I never even looked at it as a choice - she was the only remnant of an ancient race forced into war by indoctrination, and I wasn't about to cause its extinction by pressing a single button. If it turns against me, fine, I'll deal with it right then and there.

Preventing the return of a species that almost wiped out the entire rest of the galaxy is irrational?  Particularly considering that the ONLY reason the Rachni didn't win the war was the Krogan....who are highly unlikely to even help again.

Might want to check into a better definition of "irrational."  The biggest reason being that if the Rachni turn against you, they're going to turn against the rest of the Galaxy, including humanity, too.  Risking the entirety of the human race on the blind hope that "this time will be different" doesn't sound like the pinacle of rational thought.

[Pwener2313]

My ingame reaction: "****......."

My real world reaction: "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"

Modifié par Pwener2313, 04 avril 2011 - 04:33 .

[DxWill10]

Warden Kuril wrote...

Even though my Shep leans Paragon, I always kill off the Rachni, so it wouldn't matter at all to me.

Giant bugs have no place in the galaxy.

You realize they are peaceful, and were forced into war the first time around, right?  Extinguishing a peaceful race certatinly isn't 'leaning paragon'

[implodinggoat]

Well if the Rachni Queen betrayed me I'd give Bioware some props for making a benevolent act bite you in the ass; but I'd still be pissed off since it would feel like being punished for playing the game on my terms.

Personally I think for any of the major Paragon or Renegade decisions there should be avenues which are closed off; but new ones which are opened up. Maybe it bites you in the ass; but there should always be a way to work around it.

For example if I saved the queen then maybe she'll fight along side me voluntarily; but not if I'm with Cerberus since they experimented on her kind.

Alternatively if I killed the Queen and allied myself with Cerberus then maybe I'll be able to take advantage of some of those Cerberus Rachni experiments and get my hands on some remote control Rachni. But; if I pissed off Cerberus then I get jack.

In other words neither path should put you at a disadvantage; but both should force you to choose your allegiances so that you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Ultai]

Mr0TYuH wrote...

Paragon and Renegade were supposed to be good cop and bad cop.  It was supposed to be the difference between someone who followed the rules and someone who'd do whatever it takes to get the job done.  The Paragon believes that the journey is as important as the destination.  The Renegade believes the ends justify the means.  Neither should be mugging a random man on the street for some credits.  The Paragon is an optimist and the Renegade is a pragmatist.  It should have made recovering Nirali Bhatia's body for her husband Renegade and leaving it with the Alliance Paragon.  While ME wasn't perfect with this, it did a much better job than ME2.  They even had Shepard go all Terminator in the sequel if he was Renegade.  I always heal the scars because I just find that so stupid.  It just reminds me of the stupid thing in Star Wars where you become physically deformed from the Dark Side because the evil corrupts your very form.  This implosion of the system ends up culminating with the decision to keep the Collector Base.  It never should have been a debate about all the people who died and how using the technology was evil.  It should have been about the risks of using that technology, since all previous interaction with active Reaper technology has ended badly.  I should have been the Paragon decision to keep the base, since you were aquiescing to the higher ups and hoping the benefits would outway the risks.  Destroying the base should have been the Renegade decision, since you were telling TIM to STFU and pragmatically deciding to avoid the risks altogether.

This is all just my opinion, and I'll freely admit I'm an idiot, but I really hope BioWare is much more thoughful with the system than in ME2.  It went from an interesting, if sometimes inconsistent and imperfect, system in the first game to being the standard good vs evil/douchebag of ME2.  While I never play as pure Paragon or Renegade, I do lean more toward the Paragon with the majority of my characters.  I still want some of those decisions to come back to haunt me.  Not all of them, mind you, but enough to not make it an automatic decision.  Sometimes the Paragon choice should be the most beneficial.  Sometimes Renegade choices should be the smart ones.  Sometimes both should be viable.  In the end, though, there should be more of a difference than a few emails and Paragons having more allies at the end of the game.

I like this human, he understands.

[ADLegend21]

KShep: Well, I warned you FEEL MY WRATH RACHI! *kills them all with the normandy's main guns* Let that be a lesson to those who corss commander Shepard. You die. No if and's or buts. DEAD.

[Golden Owl]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Still wouldn't feel bad about saving them. I did it because it seemed like the "right" thing to do. I wasn't looking for allies at the time. I didn't even think The Reapers were as long-term a threat as I know them to be now.

I think I'd go, "Son of a..." and just move on.

^This^

[jamesp81]

I would react by killing the **** for her treachery.

I think it's really unlikely this will happen, though.

Modifié par jamesp81, 04 avril 2011 - 08:17 .

[CroGamer002]

Warden Kuril wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Warden Kuril wrote...

Even though my Shep leans Paragon, I always kill off the Rachni, so it wouldn't matter at all to me.

Giant bugs have no place in the galaxy.

Not very Paragon.

Perhaps not, but It's the intelligent thing to do. Paragade is a good mix of the two, more realistic, so to speak.

Plus that asari that you meet in ME2 if you save tha rachni annoys the hell out of me, although that might stem more from my general dislike of asari.

Intelligent thing to do?
How?

[LGTX]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Killing the queen seemed... irrational. I never even looked at it as a choice - she was the only remnant of an ancient race forced into war by indoctrination, and I wasn't about to cause its extinction by pressing a single button. If it turns against me, fine, I'll deal with it right then and there.

at the time of the choice you had no idea the war was caused by indoctrination. you are breaking the role playing aspect by metagaming. stop it.

I'm pretty sure the queen herself said that as she conversed with me on Noveria. Metagaming doesn't equal being open-minded.

Disregarding the fact that you can't really command my playstyle, of course.

No, she didin't. She talks about something messing with the Rachni voice, but thats it. Its meta gaming if you base you choice on indoctrination.

Rachni queen says hi.

Am I an idiot for connecting a main plot moment with the main plot enemy? Of course it was the Reapers messing with the rachni, I can DEFINITELY remember myself being convinced of this during the conversation. I don't know if she said that or not per se, but I definitely ended up concluding that they were influenced by the Reapers. 

Again, open-mindedness is NOT metagaming. And NOT metagaming doesn't mean turning on tunnel-vision and taking everything as it is.

Varus Praetor wrote...

Preventing the return of a species that almost wiped out the entire rest of the galaxy is irrational?  Particularly considering that the ONLY reason the Rachni didn't win the war was the Krogan....who are highly unlikely to even help again.

Might want to check into a better definition of "irrational."  The biggest reason being that if the Rachni turn against you, they're going to turn against the rest of the Galaxy, including humanity, too.  Risking the entirety of the human race on the blind hope that "this time will be different" doesn't sound like the pinacle of rational thought.

I didn't mean rational in regards to the galaxy, which consists of a dozen races spanning billions of individuals. I meant rational in regards to an almost-extinct race which fascinated me more than any other by that point, and rational in regards to a threat of ancient dormant AIs who have calmy reaped given galaxy every fifty thousand years without as much as a twitch. We needed the rachni force, they had created a problem only krogan could solve, so they could equally be as much trouble to the Reapers. And since they, as I've concluded, knew of their existence as well, I thought that the least they could do was stand against them in the moment of heat. 

Even considering them a treacherous race, they're not stupid. Might sound cheesy, but... The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[CannotCompute]

I would just laugh and deal with it.

[kalpain]

I'd probably introduce her to the Cain...

[Katamariguy]

QwertyQwerty wrote...

Why would she? Shepard is now a hero of the Rachni Race.

They could be ungrateful.

Me: "Et tu, queen?"

"blasts with cain"

Modifié par Katamariguy, 04 avril 2011 - 09:32 .

[Kekkis]

Rachi look like a perfect anti-husk weapons. But I can use Rachni for target shooting too. Both ways work for me.

[Dominus]

The answer is simple. I'd have a terran versus zerg match.

[Aradace]

Admoniter wrote...

Honestly I'd like to see atleast one major paragon choice in the ME series completely bite us in the ass. As a kind of "This is what you get for being a idealistic moron and a walking cliche."

QFT.  I'd love to see this happen personally.  And I even have a couple files where I spared her.  But also, like someone else said, if this were to be the case, I'd simply smile and say "I gave you a chance..." and then proceed to make sure they dont live long enough to make the mistake a third time.

[Ieldra]

What can I say - I would love it!

It would make all but one of my ME1 playthroughs less than optimal in that I'd have made the "wrong" choice of keeping her alive in 7 of 8, but.....ME3 would have actually managed to surprise me in a major plot point. That hasn't happened in a very long time.

Of course, I would like it even more if destroying the CB came back to bite you in the ass.

Admoniter wrote...
Honestly I'd like to see atleast one major paragon choice in the ME series completely bite us in the ass. As a
kind of "This is what you get for being a idealistic moron and a walking cliche."

So very much this. I think the ME storyline desperately needs such a scenario. The ME universe in general is a bit of a crapsack world. Except where the mighty Shep walks. There his universe-bending powers will ensure that everyone will be able to have their cake and eat it. Arrival was an attempt at subverting this, but since there wasn't a choice involved it wasn't a real subversion.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 avril 2011 - 12:13 .

[Deathwurm]

I'd also love it!