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[piemanz]

My initial reaction would be "**** it", but then i would just deal with it.I would probably make the same decision in ME1 to save her even if i know for sure she will turn on me in ME2. 

Modifié par piemanz, 04 avril 2011 - 12:31 .

[Seboist]

Mesina2 wrote...

Warden Kuril wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Warden Kuril wrote...

Even though my Shep leans Paragon, I always kill off the Rachni, so it wouldn't matter at all to me.

Giant bugs have no place in the galaxy.

Not very Paragon.

Perhaps not, but It's the intelligent thing to do. Paragade is a good mix of the two, more realistic, so to speak.

Plus that asari that you meet in ME2 if you save tha rachni annoys the hell out of me, although that might stem more from my general dislike of asari.

Intelligent thing to do?
How?

In ME1 there's no indicator that the Rachni queen is even telling the truth and that she's not just trying to save her ass any way possible. So yeah, not wanting to take risks with her brood rampaging all over the place again and killing her is pretty intelligent in that respect.

The only reason my canon Shep allowed her to live(and choose to rewrite instead of killing Heretic Geth) was because she needed all the help she can get against the Reapers.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I believe all these decisions have a cosmetic impact, but if they don't then let an army of salarians work on a temp cure for the genophage. I saved some of the research. Just in case.

And BTW: The queen may have been saving her ass, but she is a target too. If not now then later. It is in her own interest to lend a hand in this war. After that, things may change.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 avril 2011 - 01:00 .

[Soahfreako]

/suicidedeagle

[Dave666]

I just thought of something and its pure metagaming, but hear me out.

I feel that its more likely that the Geth rewrite will fit into this category than the Rachnai.

Why? Because the decision was made in ME:1 and that was released on the 360 and PC but not the PS3, so having the Rachnai decision come back to bite us wouldn't affect all players equally. Unless the PS3 comic offers you a choice here? Don't know as I don't have a PS3. Even then it still penalizes the two consoles more because in order to change that one thing a player might have to play all the way through ME:1 again whereas a PS3 player would just start ME:2 and make a choice.

The Geth rewrite however is avaliable on all platforms equally.

[Soahfreako]

Dave666 wrote...

I just thought of something and its pure metagaming, but hear me out.

I feel that its more likely that the Geth rewrite will fit into this category than the Rachnai.

Why? Because the decision was made in ME:1 and that was released on the 360 and PC but not the PS3, so having the Rachnai decision come back to bite us wouldn't affect all players equally. Unless the PS3 comic offers you a choice here? Don't know as I don't have a PS3. Even then it still penalizes the two consoles more because in order to change that one thing a player might have to play all the way through ME:1 again whereas a PS3 player would just start ME:2 and make a choice.

The Geth rewrite however is avaliable on all platforms equally.

I imagine that it was in the comic as it is a fairly large decision at the end of a planetary mission. The only real decision really on that Noveria mission. Well other than that whole thing with Anoleis, getting him and the detective girl killed, helping her, saying Eff off and giving the evidence to Lorik (the only real way to complete that mission as his email is quite awesome).

Modifié par Soahfreako, 04 avril 2011 - 01:07 .

[Dean_the_Young]

StarGateGod wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Killing the queen seemed... irrational. I never even looked at it as a choice - she was the only remnant of an ancient race forced into war by indoctrination, and I wasn't about to cause its extinction by pressing a single button. If it turns against me, fine, I'll deal with it right then and there.

at the time of the choice you had no idea the war was caused by indoctrination. you are breaking the role playing aspect by metagaming. stop it.

genocide si never the right answer

So remind me again how you resolved the issue about the Thorian, the Collectors, and Arrival?

[CaptainZaysh]

As amusing as it would be to visit the forum and drink all the delicious paragon tears, I have come to think that punishing the player for making the "wrong" choice would be a poor design decision. So, speaking as somebody who has never released the Queen, I hope BioWare are kind to those who chose to save the race of genocidal alien bug monsters.

[LGTX]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
So remind me again how you resolved the issue about the Thorian, the Collectors, and Arrival?

Remind me what choice we had in either of those situations. The rachni were at the very least diplomatic, if you're going to push the genocidal thing so mercilessly.

[Dean_the_Young]

Besides, there are plenty of other Paragon decisions they can... not give what some people are wanting.

The Paragon Council not being any better than the Human Council in facing the Reapers, and even worse in regards to defending Humanity, would be one. Ashley's 'leave the dog (Humanity) to the bear' scenario come true.

[Dave666]

LGTX wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
So remind me again how you resolved the issue about the Thorian, the Collectors, and Arrival?

Remind me what choice we had in either of those situations. The rachni were at the very least diplomatic, if you're going to push the genocidal thing so mercilessly.

I don't know if you noticed with the Thorian but the nodes had markers at set points on them.  I suspect that orrigionally we were supposed to have a choice.  Shoot each node 'til they're at the markers then the Thorian surrenders.  It was removed though, or not finished, same thing really.

[Dean_the_Young]

LGTX wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
So remind me again how you resolved the issue about the Thorian, the Collectors, and Arrival?

Remind me what choice we had in either of those situations.

Well, you could of course not progress the game if you think all genocide is entirely wrong all the time. They even were kind enough to give you a timer you could wait out in Arrival.

The rachni were at the very least diplomatic, if you're going to push the genocidal thing so mercilessly.

There was only one diplomatic rachni, who gave a sob story at gun point without any proof or history of integrity to try and convince the person at the other side of the gun that it really wasn't their fault at all, so would you please let her go and give birth to millions more? She'd pinky promise she wasn't going to do anything bad if she had a pinky, and who would ever break their promise?

It was incredibly convincing. Really.

[TheMonsterMash]

I make a point to always kill the Rachni Queen in Mass Effect. Paragon be damned, it will never end well. Has nobody seen Starship Troopers?

[Fatso8686]

QwertyQwerty wrote...

Why would she? Shepard is now a hero of the Rachni Race.

This.

In ME2, when you meet that asari on illium, she says that shepard is after the ones who soured their song, or something along those lines.  That makes me feel like she will not turn on shepard.  He saved her and let her go.  She promised that she would control the rachni and make them peaceful again.  And being that she is a queen of an entire race, I believe it.  Its not like releasing a murderer from prison because he says he'll do better.

[Zkyire]

StarGateGod wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Killing the queen seemed... irrational. I never even looked at it as a choice - she was the only remnant of an ancient race forced into war by indoctrination, and I wasn't about to cause its extinction by pressing a single button. If it turns against me, fine, I'll deal with it right then and there.

at the time of the choice you had no idea the war was caused by indoctrination. you are breaking the role playing aspect by metagaming. stop it.

genocide si never the right answer

And by letting the Rachni Queen go you risk the Rachi committing genocide against the rest of the Galaxy. Again.

[Dean_the_Young]

In many respects, it rather is. And no, being a single mother doesn't make your word gold and trustworthy.

But far more relevant is the threat of the Reapers simply indoctrinating the Queen, and then said indoctrinating queens telling their drones to do... whatever.

[CaptainZaysh]

Nyoka wrote...

The Rachni can't betray anything if they don't exitst, right?

I've never seen the Renegade argument so elegantly distilled.

[Dave666]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

In many respects, it rather is. And no, being a single mother doesn't make your word gold and trustworthy.

But far more relevant is the threat of the Reapers simply indoctrinating the Queen, and then said indoctrinating queens telling their drones to do... whatever.

One might argue that this is mitigated somewhat though, because the Queen remembers what that dark influence felt like, the souring of their song.  Knowing what it felt like and what happend as a result makes it easier to avoid it happening again.  They start to hear that sour note and move away, stop listening to it or destroy it.

If the Queen simply had no idea what happened then yes, it could happen again very easilly, but this is not the case.  The Queen know's exactly what to look out for.

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave666 wrote...

One might argue that this is mitigated somewhat though, because the Queen remembers what that dark influence felt like, the souring of their song.  Knowing what it felt like and what happend as a result makes it easier to avoid it happening again.  They start to hear that sour note and move away, stop listening to it or destroy it.

If the Queen simply had no idea what happened then yes, it could happen again very easilly, but this is not the case.  The Queen know's exactly what to look out for.

This presupposes that you can trust the Queen, that the Queen is telling the truth, and that knowing about indoctrination makes you able to recognize it when it affects you.

And while the second may be true, the last is certainly not: half the point about indoctrination is that you don't realize you're indoctrinated until you're indoctrinated, even if you're looking for it. (And, of course, if the Queen remembers being under dark influences, who is to say she is not still under dark influences?)

[Almostfaceman]

Nyoka wrote...

I'll ask again. Suppose they really make the Rachni turn on you. What happens to those who killed the queen in ME1? How would the betrayal affect them? The Rachni can't betray anything if they don't exitst, right?

I assume there are more rachni possibly out there.  If it was possible for one egg to survive all these years, it's possible for there to be more than one egg.  Not only that, but companies have now gotten a hold of rachni organic material.  There's a good chance there's a cloned egg or queen out there nobody knows about.

If I let the queen go, and she runs into more Rachni, she can help make other Rachni pro-Shepard.  If I don't, well, those other rachni just may not turn out to be so friendly.

Better to be safe than sorry methinks.

[Kingthlayer]

Nyoka wrote...

I'll ask again. Suppose they really make the Rachni turn on you. What happens to those who killed the queen in ME1? How would the betrayal affect them? The Rachni can't betray anything if they don't exitst, right?

The betrayal doesn't have to be a huge quest or something.  It could be some little mission where the Rachni Queen contacts Shepard to pick up a few Rachni soldiers to help him but instead those soldiers attack Shepard.  Killing one of the team in the process.

If you killed the Rachni queen, then this mission doesn't happen and you have +1 on the squad counter.

[LGTX]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
So remind me again how you resolved the issue about the Thorian, the Collectors, and Arrival?

Remind me what choice we had in either of those situations.

Well, you could of course not progress the game if you think all genocide is entirely wrong all the time. They even were kind enough to give you a timer you could wait out in Arrival.

The rachni were at the very least diplomatic, if you're going to push the genocidal thing so mercilessly.

There was only one diplomatic rachni, who gave a sob story at gun point without any proof or history of integrity to try and convince the person at the other side of the gun that it really wasn't their fault at all, so would you please let her go and give birth to millions more? She'd pinky promise she wasn't going to do anything bad if she had a pinky, and who would ever break their promise?

It was incredibly convincing. Really.

Okay then, give me the "convincing" version. You are the last of your kind, forced into a cage by your sworn enemy, held at gunpoint by a Spectre ready to melt you down on a moment's notice, and have your reputation hindered by mistakes of your ancestors who threatened the whole galaxy years ago. Convince me not to kill you. Go.

You can't tell me that she could be any more convincing, and if you say she couldn't and that's evidence enough, then you deny any chance of her being truthful at all, which is plain pointless and more akin to an emotional way of dealing with a problem than a rational one. Your moral stand makes sense, I'm not denying that, but it isn't one bit more justified than mine.

[Melra]

Paragon always leads to good things, that's how it must be!

[Aradace]

Melrache wrote...

Paragon always leads to good things, that's how it must be!

which is why youll never catch me dead playing full paragon.  Full paragon is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cliche.  And I HATE **** that is overly cliche.