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[Aradace]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

How dare one expect people to roleplay in a choice-based RPG?!

Outrageous, I know.

I just love how people who cant properly defend their point resort to hiding behind "metagaming" like it's a shield lol. 

What point was he failing to defend?

That Shepard would essentially be doomed if the Rachni attacked while fighting the reapers

[Bamboozalist]

Aradace wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

How dare one expect people to roleplay in a choice-based RPG?!

Outrageous, I know.

I just love how people who cant properly defend their point resort to hiding behind "metagaming" like it's a shield lol. 

That response doesn't work when the entire point of the game is to role play. Either as an extension of yourself or as a character you're creating in the narrative in a choice based RPG you pretty much have to role play unless you literally just pick choices at random.

[Werrf]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
As it stands, the Collector Base is the one decision to date that stands to have 'good' results. For most of the rest, the issue is that Paragon is ultimately best, and Renegade worse. Without more balance, putting more Renegade decisions on the 'bad' end is just adding more to an already full list.

Right now, though, that's just a guess - it's assumed that Paragon choices will be best and renegade will be worst, but we've seen nothing to confirm that so far beyond the Rachni queen's offer of aid.  Maybe a Renegade Shepard will be considered strong by the krogran, getting them on his side, while a paragon is weak
 and pathetic and doesn't inspire their loyalty?  Paragon options also tend to be more high-profile - becoming a Spectre, giving an interview, etc. What if that very visibility has everyone coming after Shepard, knowing exactly who and where he is?

[Aradace]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

How dare one expect people to roleplay in a choice-based RPG?!

Outrageous, I know.

I just love how people who cant properly defend their point resort to hiding behind "metagaming" like it's a shield lol. 

That response doesn't work when the entire point of the game is to role play. Either as an extension of yourself or as a character you're creating in the narrative in a choice based RPG you pretty much have to role play unless you literally just pick choices at random.

So what, in that scenario you're just supposed to put down the controller and say "Ooops I quit because I screwed up" or some other lame ass cop out just out of sake of "roleplaying"? I think not. 
Secondly no, I dont pick dialog choices at "random" however, I dont limit my character's thinking just to it's own when I have my own resourcefullness that can get me out of a situation.  My "Avatar"s skills are only limited by my own skill as a player, not by it's "personality".

[RyuGuitarFreak]

I would react like this:



"Oh god oh man..."

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 04 avril 2011 - 07:21 .

[Elite Midget]

I got punished for being an Idealistic Paragon?

Well, it was bound to happen after 2 games of getting the Good Guy Treatment.

[sonofalich]

i'd be disappointed considering my Paragon Sheppard saved the species.

[Sajuro]

omgodzilla wrote...

I would laugh pretty hard.

I would laugh just as hard as I would if the Collector base turned out to be a trap.

[tonnactus]

It would be boring.In most stories the bugs are the evil ones.Its time for a change.

[JukeFrog]

I wouldn't mind. Me, Grunt, and Wrex need more things to kill.

[StarGateGod]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I wouldn´t get any more BW games. No money for people who write preemptive genocide as the right thing to do.

I refuse to play games that don't recognize Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour.

loser

[StarGateGod]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Killing the queen seemed... irrational. I never even looked at it as a choice - she was the only remnant of an ancient race forced into war by indoctrination, and I wasn't about to cause its extinction by pressing a single button. If it turns against me, fine, I'll deal with it right then and there.

at the time of the choice you had no idea the war was caused by indoctrination. you are breaking the role playing aspect by metagaming. stop it.

genocide si never the right answer

So remind me again how you resolved the issue about the Thorian, the Collectors, and Arrival?

i didnt want to kill the thorian it could have easily been studied if they had warn bio hazard suit. the collectors killed themselves, arrival, again i had no choice  in the matter, its not like i could choose not to drop the asteriod.
besides it not genocide what happened to the batarians

[Aradace]

StarGateGod wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I wouldn´t get any more BW games. No money for people who write preemptive genocide as the right thing to do.

I refuse to play games that don't recognize Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour.

loser

LOL Wow...how did I miss that one? I sincerely hope that the person who made  the Jesus comment was joking.  Seriously.  Because if not, I bet that person's game library isnt very big

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I would dislike it. As much as I criticise every paragon choice being favorable compared to renegade, having the Rachni queen turn on you in ME3 when ME2 quite clearly states she wishes to help you, would turn renegade into the new paragon (so to speak).

Let sparing the Rachni queen be the right choice which offers a great bonus to paragons.

Let preserving the Collector base be the right choice which offers a great bonus to renegades.

[Dean_the_Young]

Aradace wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

How dare one expect people to roleplay in a choice-based RPG?!

Outrageous, I know.

I just love how people who cant properly defend their point resort to hiding behind "metagaming" like it's a shield lol. 

What point was he failing to defend?

That Shepard would essentially be doomed if the Rachni attacked while fighting the reapers

In a word, no.

In several words, not without context you're deliberately neglecting, such as the lack of assurance we can beat the Reapers if all goes well, and the nature/potential dangers of a rogue/enemy army to our forces.

[Dean_the_Young]

Werrf wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
As it stands, the Collector Base is the one decision to date that stands to have 'good' results. For most of the rest, the issue is that Paragon is ultimately best, and Renegade worse. Without more balance, putting more Renegade decisions on the 'bad' end is just adding more to an already full list.

Right now, though, that's just a guess - it's assumed that Paragon choices will be best and renegade will be worst, but we've seen nothing to confirm that so far beyond the Rachni queen's offer of aid.  Maybe a Renegade Shepard will be considered strong by the krogran, getting them on his side, while a paragon is weak
 and pathetic and doesn't inspire their loyalty?  Paragon options also tend to be more high-profile - becoming a Spectre, giving an interview, etc. What if that very visibility has everyone coming after Shepard, knowing exactly who and where he is?

Assuming that Mass Effect 3 does not suddenly and without warning reverse the implied and foreshadowed consequences and events as indicated in ME2?

Not all assumptions are equal. Nothing in ME2 has ever come close to suggesting that Krogan won't work with a Paragon Shepard against the Reapers, but would with the Renegades. There's no foreshadowing or buildup or implication of such. Whereas in terms of political support, alliances, and potential boons, Paragon actions have so far had >= relations to Renegade decisions in terms of facing the Reapers. 

[Dean_the_Young]

StarGateGod wrote...

i didnt want to kill the thorian it could have easily been studied if they had warn bio hazard suit.

And yet, you didn't. Way to go, hero.

the collectors killed themselves,

Hilarious all on its own.

arrival, again i had no choice  in the matter, its not like i could choose not to drop the asteriod.

You more or less could.

Even gave you a timer, if you took your time.

besides it not genocide what happened to the batarians

Wiping out a planet and an entire population base? Yes, that most certainly is genocide.

[Dudeman315]

I'd be happy that something from the previous games actually carried over in a meaningful way rather than being a pointless which is how me2 treated every "carry over" decision from ME1.

[Aradace]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Aradace wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

How dare one expect people to roleplay in a choice-based RPG?!

Outrageous, I know.

I just love how people who cant properly defend their point resort to hiding behind "metagaming" like it's a shield lol. 

What point was he failing to defend?

That Shepard would essentially be doomed if the Rachni attacked while fighting the reapers

In a word, no.

In several words, not without context you're deliberately neglecting, such as the lack of assurance we can beat the Reapers if all goes well, and the nature/potential dangers of a rogue/enemy army to our forces.

A.) Yes, we'll be able to.  Why? Because BW isnt going to screw the proverbial pooch and make us "lose" just because of previous choices in a previous game.  So yea, beating the reapers WILL happen, it's a matter of how and at what cost.

B.)It doesnt matter what "rogue" enemies we have at the time.  Why? Because unless they literally make them invincible (which is a LESS than 0% chance of happening) you WILL be able to beat them as well.  Again, it's a matter of how and at what cost. 

[Aradace]

Arcian wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

besides it not genocide what happened to the batarians

Wiping out a planet and an entire population base? Yes, that most certainly is genocide.

Just getting a little anal here, but the correct term is "Mass Murder".

Genocide implies a systemtic extinction of an ethnic group or species.

Aye, genocide would have been if the explosion somehow miraculously wiped out the Batarians that were safely in another system/cluster altogether.  Mass Murder though it is, I still say, with the batarians, it's a damn good start.
Only thing I like shooting more than Geth, are batarians.

Modifié par Aradace, 04 avril 2011 - 10:56 .

[Aradace]

Arcian wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Only thing I like shooting more than Geth, are batarians.

I think if the batarians were to go the Egypt route, overthrow their tyrant government and play nice for once in a while, they would be much less unpleasant to be around.

You know, I never thought of it that way lol....And the thing is, I agree completely.  I'd still "dislike" them, but I wouldnt want to "shoot them on sight"