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[Aradace]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Even if the batarians fashioned a more open government for themselves you two would still be despicable racists.

Better a racist than an idealistic moron with the naive belief that everyone in the galaxy can "get along" and hold hands while standing around a camp fire singing kumbah-****ing-yahhh

[Dean_the_Young]

Arcian wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

besides it not genocide what happened to the batarians

Wiping out a planet and an entire population base? Yes, that most certainly is genocide.

Just getting a little anal here, but the correct term is "Mass Murder".

Genocide implies a systemtic extinction of an ethnic group or species.

Genocide is broader than that by the legal and UN definitions: it can be of any relevant population group even with cross-ethnic characteristics, and it doesn't have to be an extended process.

[Dean_the_Young]

Aradace wrote...

A.) Yes, we'll be able to.  Why? Because BW isnt going to screw the proverbial pooch and make us "lose" just because of previous choices in a previous game.  So yea, beating the reapers WILL happen, it's a matter of how and at what cost.

Hence, metagaming.

B.)It doesnt matter what "rogue" enemies we have at the time.  Why? Because unless they literally make them invincible (which is a LESS than 0% chance of happening) you WILL be able to beat them as well.  Again, it's a matter of how and at what cost. 

Again, hence metagaming.

[Aradace]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Aradace wrote...

A.) Yes, we'll be able to.  Why? Because BW isnt going to screw the proverbial pooch and make us "lose" just because of previous choices in a previous game.  So yea, beating the reapers WILL happen, it's a matter of how and at what cost.

Hence, metagaming.

B.)It doesnt matter what "rogue" enemies we have at the time.  Why? Because unless they literally make them invincible (which is a LESS than 0% chance of happening) you WILL be able to beat them as well.  Again, it's a matter of how and at what cost. 

Again, hence metagaming.

To both...DONT CARE.  Unlike you, my character's abilities are only limited by my own skill as a player which are sodding substantial.  The only thing that is restricted by my character's "personality" is his dialog choices.  If you want to lay down and die like a **** because that's what your character would do, that's your business, I wont judge, however, dont you DARE suggest that's what everyone else should do all for the sake of freakin' roleplaying.  If you want to restrict your character's skill level based on his personality, again that's your business. 

If you're content playing private joe snuffy with average abilities that cant save the galaxy without the help of his friends, that's your business.  But again, not everyone is content with doing that.  Some people actually LIKE being the galactic badass who can waffle stomp the crap out of anything thrown their way. 

[Reiella]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Hahahahahaha trust me, Saphra is anything but that. and why does it have to be one extreme or the other? people who see the world as black and white are blind to everything else going on

Except it's not black and white, it's red and blue .  Part of it is just the whole 'it's a game' which lends itself to bichromatic representations.  I will say that I do like how DA2 changed it up slightly by having 'snarky' be another alternative .

The other aspect is people feeling the need to justify their 'choice' in the game as being the 'right' one.  Even though it's a game and even then it's intended to not be a 'right' or 'wrong' choice.

[Aradace]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Even if the batarians fashioned a more open government for themselves you two would still be despicable racists.

Better a racist than an idealistic moron with the naive belief that everyone in the galaxy can "get along" and hold hands while standing around a camp fire singing kumbah-****ing-yahhh

Hahahahahaha trust me, Saphra is anything but that. and why does it have to be one extreme or the other? people who see the world as black and white are blind to everything else going on

Im perfectly open to shades of grey.  If the batarians seriously fashioned a more "acceptable" government, I wouldnt hate them near as much.  Hell, I'd even be able to stomach having one in my squad if that were the case.  But unfortunately, in the current state of things, Im not going to be the one to "initiate" peace between Humans and Batarians (especially after Arrival lol)

As far as the Geth are concerned, I only hate the Heretics.  Legion has for all intent and purposes changed my "overall" opinion of the Geth.  So when I say I enjoy shooting Geth, it is in fact, the Heretics I make reference to.  In fact, out of my 8 data files, there are only two where I "destroyed" the heretics instead of rewriting them.  So dont preach to me about not seeing "shades of grey" 

To reiterate, Im more than willing to accept a sort of "truce" with the batarians.  But Im sure as **** not going to be the one to initiate it. 

[Aradace]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Aradace wrote...


 If the batarians seriously fashioned a more "acceptable" government, I wouldnt hate them near as much.

Whenever I say this about Muslims or Arabs people look at me like I'm some kind of bigot. Why is that?

Im not even going to go there with real world "politics" lol....Being ex-military myself I tend to keep my views on those matters to myself. 

[Aradace]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Even if the batarians fashioned a more open government for themselves you two would still be despicable racists.

Better a racist than an idealistic moron with the naive belief that everyone in the galaxy can "get along" and hold hands while standing around a camp fire singing kumbah-****ing-yahhh

Hahahahahaha trust me, Saphra is anything but that. and why does it have to be one extreme or the other? people who see the world as black and white are blind to everything else going on

Im perfectly open to shades of grey.  If the batarians seriously fashioned a more "acceptable" government, I wouldnt hate them near as much.  Hell, I'd even be able to stomach having one in my squad if that were the case.  But unfortunately, in the current state of things, Im not going to be the one to "initiate" peace between Humans and Batarians (especially after Arrival lol)

As far as the Geth are concerned, I only hate the Heretics.  Legion has for all intent and purposes changed my "overall" opinion of the Geth.  So when I say I enjoy shooting Geth, it is in fact, the Heretics I make reference to.  In fact, out of my 8 data files, there are only two where I "destroyed" the heretics instead of rewriting them.  So dont preach to me about not seeing "shades of grey" 

To reiterate, Im more than willing to accept a sort of "truce" with the batarians.  But Im sure as **** not going to be the one to initiate it. 

And if its the smart move? A galaxy at war with itself is easy pickiings for the Reaper gangrape

Irrelevant.  I seriously doubt the Batarians (out of any race) are going to be the difference between victory and defeat when the reapers arrive.  The only way I'd consider "siding" with them is if I have some sort of mission before hand that allows me to help some revolutionaries overthrow their current government in favor of one that DOESNT ENDORSE SLAVERY.  I just cant bring myself to help a race that considers slavery as a part of it's caste system.

Edit: As a side note, Im not technically "racist".  Racism is technically when one hates every race except their own.  Which is inaccurate when labeling me.  I am what you consider "Prejudiced"  I love every other race in the ME universe EXCEPT batarians.  So if you're going to call me a biggot, make sure you get it right; Im a prejudistic biggot, not a racist biggot

Modifié par Aradace, 05 avril 2011 - 12:03 .

[Spiratic]

It would serve my renegade main male right haha. Couldn't bring himself to destroy the rachni as he had dreams of amazing shocktroops to pair with the krogan dancing in his head. My main paragon however would be relieved as she couldn't not kill the queen after spending her 4 previous trips groundside being attacked by rachni and having just watched the cult oldie starship troopers the night before on the extranet :-)

[Dean_the_Young]

Aradace wrote...
dont you DARE suggest that's what everyone else should do all for the sake of freakin' roleplaying.

How dare people on an RPG forum about an RPG discussing the basis and validity of RPG choices suggest that reasons given should be valid from in-universe basis?

How DARE they?


...anyone else cracking up here? Because this is gold.

[Mr0TYuH]

I know real world politics are verboten here, but I'm just going to use them to set up my point, and I'll try to avoid any value judgements on them. Anyone here hear of the My Lai Massacre. Even though it caused some outcry in the media, from a judicial perspective, it was swept under the rug. That was only 22 years after the Nuremberg Trials established the concept of war crime. In more recent history, look at the war in Bosnia. I remember many Serbians being indicted on war crime charges, however, I can't remember any Croatians being indicted, even though they were doing exactly the same thing.

Genocide and war crimes are just words that politicians and nations use to advance their own agendas and punish their enemies. If they feel it is in their best interest, the Alliance will declare the incident at Bahak a terrorist attack and an act of genocide. They can just as easily declare that it was collateral damage and that, while the loss of life was a regrettable, it was a necessary consequence of the destruction of a viable military target.

Given the way politicans are, and from what we know of the Mass Effect Universe, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the greatest outrage wasn't from the loss of life but from the destruction of the relay. While it is strongly implied there will be a trial to start ME3, I half expect the relay to be the main issue at the trial.

And yes, I am a cynic.

[TheLostGenius]

omgodzilla wrote...

I would laugh pretty hard.

Yea! A scene where the Rachni queen is chewing on Commander Sheperd's ass would be priceless.

[Aradace]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Aradace wrote...
dont you DARE suggest that's what everyone else should do all for the sake of freakin' roleplaying.

How dare people on an RPG forum about an RPG discussing the basis and validity of RPG choices suggest that reasons given should be valid from in-universe basis?

How DARE they?


...anyone else cracking up here? Because this is gold.

What's funny is that you're expecting EVERYONE to do it.  Like I said, if YOU do it, that's your business.  But it's completely unrealistic for you to expect everyone to do it.   Secondly, now you're fabricating things.  That's not what I said at all.  What I was arguing was that it's pretty idiotic for you to think that everyone on these forums should play the game the way you do.  I understand that some folks RP to that degree.  Hell, I even respect it to some extent. 

Like I said, if you're content with playing after joe shmuchk nobody who cant save the galaxy without the help of his bed buddies that's your business.  If you want to play and limit your character's skill to his personality and not your own as a player, again, that's your business.  (ALthough I do pity your character being that inept)  But it's not fair to suggest that everyone else play that way just because you do.  Just because I only limit my character's dialog choices to his personality and everything else based off my own skill as a player doesnt mean I dont roleplay the character.  It just means I dont roleplay it the way you do, which believe it or not, still isnt wrong.

[Nightwriter]

I think they are simply trying to have a debate with you on a different level than you're interested in.

This is why I always wear a T-shirt that says I AM A METAGAMER, PLEASE MOVE ON.

The back of the shirt says WHY ROLEPLAY WHEN YOU CAN RELOAD.

[Aradace]

Nightwriter wrote...

I think they are simply trying to have a debate with you on a different level than you're interested in.

This is why I always wear a T-shirt that says I AM A METAGAMER, PLEASE MOVE ON.

The back of the shirt says WHY ROLEPLAY WHEN YOU CAN RELOAD.

That is pure win lol.  And pretty much how Im just going to regard it at this point.  Nice how clarity can come from the strangest places

[armass]

Well concerning that they pretty much mentioned they were manipulated by reapers and hate them for this very reason, i seriously doubt they would turn on you in amidst of a reaper invasion.

[Dean_the_Young]

Aradace wrote...

It just means I dont roleplay it the way you do, which believe it or not, still isnt wrong.

Now when did I ever say it was wrong, Metagamer?

[Aradace]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Aradace wrote...

It just means I dont roleplay it the way you do, which believe it or not, still isnt wrong.

Now when did I ever say it was wrong, Metagamer?

Yes I am now move along lol

[Reever]

omgodzilla wrote...

I would laugh pretty hard.

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Laugh like mad and pull insect repellent out of my utility belt.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Initial reaction: Damn, should have seen this coming.

But then I'd be like: YEAH MAN LET'S SHOOT SOME BUGS!

This.

Mesina2 wrote...



I'd punch everyone in Bioware for listening ZULU.

I´d congratulate him =D

I´d actually like to somehow have both options. Like some other thing you did affected the future of the Rachni! ( even though I said that, I can´t think - at least now - of a mission with the needed influence... :/)

Anyway, can´t wait for ME3

[Almostfaceman]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Thing is, Saying that you're going to win because its a video game is a stupid way to go about it, and it takes ALL the fun out of any rpg element in the game.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

Stick to CoD if that what you want

You're not really in a position to tell people what games to play and why.