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[PsychoBlonde]

What the heck is up with this forum?!  I hit Edit Topic and instead it deletes the entire content of my post.

ANYWAY, what I said was, they should have made it explicit that Anders somehow got the recipe for his explosives out fo the Qunari.  They already made such a big deal out of the black powder, and Anders sends you to get the *ingredients* for black powder (apart from charcoal, which he could easily get himself), so why didn't they spell this out a little bit better?

Add in Anders getting ahold of part of the freaky lyrium idol (which caused all the red special effects), and boom, your entire plot is completely tied together.  The Idol + the Qunari + the Mage v. Templar tension led directly up to the explosion at the chantry.

It felt like this is what they were aiming for, in a way, it just was not properly telegraphed or made explicit.  A few extra lines of dialog and it would all have made much more sense.

Plus, the introduction of gunpowder to Thedas at large (albeit minus any of the technology to use it for anything but creating a big undirected boom), would have made the ending a bit more eerie and curious.

Modifié par PsychoBlonde, 03 avril 2011 - 06:50 .

[Herr Uhl]

So, you argue that there was no saving it?

[Kijin]

http://social.biowar.../index/6916360 

Edit: Nevermind, OP was edited. 

Modifié par Kijin, 03 avril 2011 - 06:51 .

[PsychoBlonde]

Kijin wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/6916360 

Yes, apparently editing your topic creates a duplicate.  ARGH.

[PsychoBlonde]

Herr Uhl wrote...

So, you argue that there was no saving it?

No saving what?  I don't mention saving or not saving anything, so this is more than a bit of a non-sequitor.

[mesmerizedish]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

You know what would have tied the plot together?

A rug?

[The Angry One]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

You know what would have tied the plot together?

A rug?

How would a rug... nevermind. Don't want to know.

[Kijin]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

So, you argue that there was no saving it?

No saving what?  I don't mention saving or not saving anything, so this is more than a bit of a non-sequitor.

He responded when there was nothing in your post. 

While I do agree that Bioware should have made those connections clearer, I don't think it would have mattered. Dragon Age 2 seemed to be more about Kirkwall than Hawke - Hawke was only important in that he was one of the most influential figures in Kirkwall, but the position of Champion did not feel as important as it should have been.

[Curlain]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

So, you argue that there was no saving it?

No saving what?  I don't mention saving or not saving anything, so this is more than a bit of a non-sequitor.

He responded to your topic when your opening post was still blank 

However, I quite like your ideas, add that with more RP reasons to get involved in the main quests in Act 1 (rather then the game just telling you to do them generally) and this game would definitely have been better

[The Angry One]

Filament wrote...

I think they would have had to change the nature of the weapon entirely, for it to be a gunpowder explosion... the references to saltpeter and sulfur are probably just incidental.

Well it's enhanced with magic.
Maybe it was a magic bomb that needed a chemical explosion to start a chain reaction, like a fission bomb.

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 avril 2011 - 06:56 .

[sphinxess]

I see no reason why Anders would release the formula to anyone but the mages - he knew he was starting a war - and what he created seemed to be a pretty well directed explosion.

[PsychoBlonde]

The Angry One wrote...

Filament wrote...

I think they would have had to change the nature of the weapon entirely, for it to be a gunpowder explosion... the references to saltpeter and sulfur are probably just incidental.

Well it's enhanced with magic.
Maybe it was a magic bomb that needed a chemical explosion to start a chain reaction, like a fission bomb.

I like this idea, and I think it could have added a further very interesting/scary element to the game.  Not only do we have an apostate who blew up a chantry, but congratulations, Anders, you just invented the superweapon, the arms race, and suicide bombing (I killed him, anyway).

If you wanted to be even more delightfully self-referential, you could have had Cassandra refer to the new explosive as "Dragonbreath" and make the name Dragon Age just that much more apropo.  

[PsychoBlonde]

sphinxess wrote...

I see no reason why Anders would release the formula to anyone but the mages - he knew he was starting a war - and what he created seemed to be a pretty well directed explosion.

He already told *Hawke* the formula.  Not to mention that the templars probably raid his clinic after the end of the game and quite possibly find it in his notes.

It's virtually impossible to keep new inventions secret once you start using them.  There are too many ways for other people to get ahold of your work and reverse-engineer.  Heck, if they did make it explicit that Anders got the formula from the Qunari (or reverse-engineered it somehow), he probably needed help translating the information.

Once that genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back in.

[The Angry One]

It would make for an interesting situation in DA3. Extremist mages using Anders' formula to deploy magic bombs in cities.
The Qunari start attacking because mad bas saarebas are using their gunpowder for evil magic purposes.

[CloudOfShadows]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

You know what would have tied the plot together?

A rug?

LOL.

Yes!

[PsychoBlonde]

The Angry One wrote...

It would make for an interesting situation in DA3. Extremist mages using Anders' formula to deploy magic bombs in cities.
The Qunari start attacking because mad bas saarebas are using their gunpowder for evil magic purposes.

Yeah, talk about plunging the entire world into war.  They could have shown one of the Qunari reporting back home (possibly Taarbas) at the very end and telling the gathered Triumvirate what happened: "the Bas now have our gaatlok", and showing a horrified "oh no" moment.

[Curlain]

The Angry One wrote...

It would make for an interesting situation in DA3. Extremist mages using Anders' formula to deploy magic bombs in cities.
The Qunari start attacking because mad bas saarebas are using their gunpowder for evil magic purposes.

A quite likely scenario, after all they forced that dwarf who developed those explosives in Awakenings into hiding (according to his brother in DA2) for daring to invent another form of explosive.  The Qunari would react pretty badly to finding out a significant portion of mages in Thedas have access to developing explosives.

This could cause this war for mage freedom to backfire on itself as the Qunari invade on mass, with Thedas divided many areas could fall to them quickly, leading to the mages being turned into chained saarebas with their mouths sown up

Modifié par Curlain, 03 avril 2011 - 07:22 .

[Dasha Dreyson]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Yeah, talk about plunging the entire world into war.

That and the pressure on the Empress to start another Orlesian/Ferelden war. Also if the Divine passes without a successor.

I keep thinking about the consequences of the war started in DA2. It seems that there would be rips in the fade all over Thedas. Darkspawn, now demons. What next?