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[Gage123]

Lacerate, rogue ability in Dual Wield, so poorly worded. From my testing, here is what I found:

Lacerate, NO UPGRADE, has a 10% chance  to deal 140-150% of weapon damage. So if you hit for 200, and it triggers, it will deal 300 damage over 2 ticks. The first tick is instant so you see it immediately after it occurs, the next tick is after 2 secs. 

So basically, if your Assassinate deals 10000 + 10000 (main + offhand) and Lacerate (unupgraded) procs, you will see two ticks of 7000 + 7000. 

Mathematically, Lacerate (unupgraded) increases your damage by 14% on fights where you stand there and attack over a long period of time.

UPGRADED Lacerate has a bug. It cuts the damage of Lacerate by 50% but allows Staggered targets to trigger Lacerate at 100%. So now, it deals 70% of weapon damage.

TIP: Use Vendetta (Duelist) on staggered target to deal an additional total damage of 70%.

So, a simple Lacerate upgrade fix and on a staggered target...it turned Explosive Strike bonus damage to staggered to 1200% ... LOL?

Modifié par Gage123, 04 avril 2011 - 04:08 .

[Teknor]

Seems poor.

[Gage123]

It is poor on auto attacks. But staggered...it hurts. Then again, I doubt that's worth 2 skill points and 10% stamina reserve

[Waltzingbear]

Thanks that's useful.

[Gage123]

So apparently, by fixing the lacerate upgrade bug, it increases the damage by 50%...................so 10% chance to deal 200% additional damage over 2 sec or...staggered -> vendetta = 600% vendetta damage.

I think there's something bioware needs to confirm on what damage they want lacerate to do cause staggered mobs die instantly with lacerate

[IN1]

Well, since only Blood Feud (Vendetta + upg.) deals +300% vs staggered, and you cannot really use BF if you go Assassin, this is of very limited use to dedicated Duelist/Shadow players only.

Modifié par IN1, 03 avril 2011 - 09:42 .

[bunnies]

about that spell... i can't seem to be able to specc out of it... each time i respecc, it comes back even when no talents are put into dw tree. And even when its not in my personal tactic, it activates should i take control of other teammates
might be irrelevant, but this thread is supposed to be about answers on lancerate?

[Gage123]

IN1 wrote...

Well, since only Blood Feud (Vendetta + upg.) deals +300% vs staggered, and you cannot really use BF if you go Assassin, this is of very limited use to dedicated Duelist/Shadow players only.

What does this have to do with lacerate? Oo

[Gage123]

bunnies wrote...

about that spell... i can't seem to be able to specc out of it... each time i respecc, it comes back even when no talents are put into dw tree. And even when its not in my personal tactic, it activates should i take control of other teammates
might be irrelevant, but this thread is supposed to be about answers on lancerate?

Maker's Sigh bug. Not just for Lacerate. The respec potion is bugged altogether.

[IN1]

Gage123 wrote...

IN1 wrote...

Well, since only Blood Feud (Vendetta + upg.) deals +300% vs staggered, and you cannot really use BF if you go Assassin, this is of very limited use to dedicated Duelist/Shadow players only.

What does this have to do with lacerate? Oo

Well, I believe that's a simple enough conclusion you can draw by yourself. However, if you need hints... Here you go.

Hints: you suggest using Lacerate in conjunction with BF; everyone goes Assassin and uses MoD; BF buffs creatures for some serious additional dmg resist if used after MoD, Hex of Torment or Wounding Arrow.

Modifié par IN1, 03 avril 2011 - 11:09 .

[Gage123]

I never said anything about using MoD or any of the sort of combination. What I was suggesting was that 300% Vendetta on staggered + Lacerate while staggered would be an insane amount of damage. It is roughly 600% Vendetta damage if Lacerate wasn't bugged.

[Joy Divison]

I tried experimenting with lacerate w/ my latest rogue. My finding were roughly the same; two clicks of damage totaling greater than a regular hit. It actually is not a bad talent in-itself. As the OP says, it will up your DPS by 15% for just one talent and 10% stamina. The upgraded version would still be deadly against high HP targets which are staggered (when assassinate is on cool down) and auto-attacking mobs staggered by your warrior

My biggest problem with it is that there are so many desirable rogue talents I have a hard time fitting it in anywhere.

[Gage123]

We need more DLCs so we can get more skill points through leveling. I don't have enough
I want Lacerate just cause I'm a duelist. It is...awesome. Hopefully they fix the upgraded Lacerate bug because it decreases it's damage by 50%. I'm assuming it is broken and probably should increase damage by 50%. I made a mod that fixed that so patch or not, working as intended for me XD If anyone wants it, just ask.

[Gage123]

So, apparently, for two talent points, you can change your explosive strike on staggered opponents into 1200% vs starggered. Lovely...

Modifié par Gage123, 04 avril 2011 - 03:44 .

[Atmosfear3]

Gage123 wrote...

So, apparently, for two talent points, you can change your explosive strike on staggered opponents into 1200% vs starggered. Lovely...

Except your improved lacerate would trigger the stagger, ridding you of the debuff for Explosive Strike to CCC.

[Joy Divison]

Lacerate does not remove the staggered status

[Altima Darkspells]

IN1 wrote...

Well, since only Blood Feud (Vendetta + upg.) deals +300% vs staggered, and you cannot really use BF if you go Assassin, this is of very limited use to dedicated Duelist/Shadow players only.

Yeah, but the Duelist-Assassins usually have the points to spare for DW, while the Shadows are typically too tied up in multiple trees to spare the points to do any significant investing.

[IN1]

Gage123 wrote...

I never said anything about using MoD or any of the sort of combination. What I was suggesting was that 300% Vendetta on staggered + Lacerate while staggered would be an insane amount of damage. It is roughly 600% Vendetta damage if Lacerate wasn't bugged.

Oh my... FYI, Lacerate + Vendetta = combination.

I am sorry, this 'discussion' is a wee bit too much for me. Use whatever you like in whatever way you like, and don't forget to make ~20 more essentially identical topics about it here and on Strategy & Gameplay sub-forum.

Good luck and God bless. 

[Gage123]

IN1 wrote...

Gage123 wrote...

I never said anything about using MoD or any of the sort of combination. What I was suggesting was that 300% Vendetta on staggered + Lacerate while staggered would be an insane amount of damage. It is roughly 600% Vendetta damage if Lacerate wasn't bugged.

Oh my... FYI, Lacerate + Vendetta = combination.

I am sorry, this 'discussion' is a wee bit too much for me. Use whatever you like in whatever way you like, and don't forget to make ~20 more essentially identical topics about it here and on Strategy & Gameplay sub-forum.

Good luck and God bless. 

I like how you get all up into it when I NEVER MENTIONED MARK OF DEATH combination with anything. You tell me stuff about mark of death. I never mention anything about mark of death and then BAM you get all mad. No clue why you even mentioned in here in this topic. But then again, it was fun nonetheless to see what you would say otherwise.

Although, with your elemental build...I should try that with elemental daggers and see how much damage I can output. Maybe even more than 200k on Orsino. Oooo fun time.

EDIT: Even more fun is the fact that it ticks and....by passes the HP % per hit on elite bosses.

Modifié par Gage123, 04 avril 2011 - 08:07 .

[Gage123]

Joy Divison wrote...

Lacerate does not remove the staggered status

Bingo!

[IN1]

I appreciate you researching one of the most underused talents in DA2. Really. However, as I stated numerous times in other discussions, research must have some practical value. In other words, I endorse your research of talent's current mechanics (glitchy and otherwise), but when some utterly impractical speculations about how great Lacerate > Blood Feud combo is kick in, it's a different story.

I hope my point is clear now.

[Gage123]

IN1 wrote...

I appreciate you researching one of the most underused talents in DA2. Really. However, as I stated numerous times in other discussions, research must have some practical value. In other words, I endorse your research of talent's current mechanics (glitchy and otherwise), but when some utterly impractical speculations about how great Lacerate > Blood Feud combo is kick in, it's a different story.

I hope my point is clear now.

How is it impractical exactly?

[spacepopeadventures]

IN1, you said yourself that one of two possible solutions is "to use Blood Feud without Mark of Death/as a CCC only (totally viable, but somewhat annoying and time-consuming)." So what's the problem?

[ripstrawberry]

nice to know I don't have to spend on the lacerate upgrade since I solo anyway and won't have sources of stagger except on aveline/fenris companion quests. Too bad the upgrade reduces it's dmg. T_T

[Apathy1989]

I cannot believe I've played rogue through twice and never got lacerate, since it sounds poor in the description.