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[Silmane]

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

2 discs.

As for the PC v 360? Well if you're a "hardcore" gamer that likes to invest in parts and upgrading their PC, using a M/KB combo and prefers digital distribution, then by all means game on a PC.

But if you want to chill with a controller in your hand, on your couch in front of a big HDTV, then get a console.

And it's only 250 euro for a 360, whereas a top of the line gaming PC will set you back between 800-1000 euro. Not worth it for prettier graphics and better frame rate IMO.

No offense, but plenty of PC users have their computers hooked up to HDTVs. This is irrelevant to the point you're trying to get across. 

Edit: And people saying it costs 1,000 dollars or more for a "top of the line PC" are absolutely wrong. Learn to shop and stop looking at Alienware computers.

Modifié par Silmane, 04 avril 2011 - 02:10 .

[charmingcharlie]

Can we please drop the PC vs Console stuff the mods have said plenty of times they don't like that area of discussion on here.  This topic is meant to be about how many discs ME 3 will be on.

Now with the topic in mind I did read the other day that MS is changing the DVD format on it's console :-

Major Nelson wrote .......
We are conducting an open call for US based participants* for a public preview to help us prepare for an updated Xbox 360 disc format. This is an important update as we continually strive to improve our products and we could not do so without the help of our great Xbox community. As part of the preview program, you will receive a copy of Halo: Reach along with other possible rewards.

http://majornelson.c...update-preview/

What does this mean ?  well currently Xbox DVD's can only store about 6gbs of data on a DVD.  The other 2gbs of the DVD is locked off by Microsoft for security and promotional purposes.  It is possible they are changing this to free up more space for developers.

I still think think ME 3 will be on 2 discs, the problem with using just 1 disc is that you are going to have to see a lot of repetition (like you saw in ME 1 with identikit buildings and locales).  Lets just say I will be very concerned for ME 3 if it is on 1 DVD even with advances in compression and MS changing the disc format, 1 disc is just not enough space to give us the variety and quality we saw in ME 2.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 04 avril 2011 - 02:39 .

[wizardryforever]

Honestly, I don't really care how many discs ME3 is on, as long as I don't have to change them that often.  I was a PC gamer long before I was a 360 gamer, and some of the old games (before they figured out how to increase disc space) had 4 or 5 discs that had to be changed every 20 minutes.  Baldur's Gate shipped with 5 discs originally, and at the time, it was unfeasible to just install the game fully to the hard drive.  Disc swapping got really annoying, especially since you had to swap at the most random times (the entire city of Baldur's Gate is on disc 5, but the sewers are disc 4?  What?).

However, with today's space-saving discs, I don't see it being an issue.

[Ty2011]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...
Then you would also need to take into account the fact that not every country has a good broadband service. Just take the UK, some sources say that the average broadband speed for the UK is 6.3Mb/s which isn't great, then you would also loose any potential customers who are unable to connect consoles to the internet.

Fair enough. But I feel downloading should still be an option for those that it would benefit.

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

You crazy? Physical copy >>>>> Digital Distribution. 

Maybe if we're talking vinyls or CDs, but I'm not so sure about video games. Especially DVD based ones. They just can't hold anything worth a damn. They're floppy disks compared to Blu-Rays and hard drives. Downloading seems a lot simpler to me.

That's just my point of view.  I can live with multiple disks for the time being. I understand the 360's/Mass Effect need for them. I just hope they're brainstorming better solutions to this for the future, because there are much better options.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...
Won't happen, the 360 does a disc check when you need to change discs and won't continue without the correct disc in the drive even if you have all discs installed 

Can't them or Microsoft work around that at least if one of the disks in in the drive?

[Fiery Phoenix]

ReconTeam wrote...

In a perfect world it would be three disc and allow 360 players to install on the harddrive and then be able to play off only one disc.

Microsoft disabled any such features in fear of pirates ruining their day. Your 360 still needs the disk in order to read the software that recognizes and runs the game, even if said game is installed on the hard drive. Once the game is recognized, it runs off the hard drive.

[Cancer Puppet]

ReconTeam wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...
Won't happen, the 360 does a disc check when you need to change discs and won't continue without the correct disc in the drive even if you have all discs installed 

Can't them or Microsoft work around that at least if one of the disks in in the drive?

This.

[Cancer Puppet]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

In a perfect world it would be three disc and allow 360 players to install on the harddrive and then be able to play off only one disc.

Microsoft disabled any such features in fear of pirates ruining their day. Your 360 still needs the disk in order to read the software that recognizes and runs the game, even if said game is installed on the hard drive. Once the game is recognized, it runs off the hard drive.

Like I said, have one disc that must be installed, meaning the game never runs off of it. It could work just like dlc. 

[Tazzmission]

ilComico wrote...

First I apologise for my english anyway...
Don't know how and why but today a strange idea came to me: and if Mass Effect 3 will come in just 1disc? I certainly would be VERY disappointed because this would mean for sure a shorter game (maybe in favour of a multiplayer mode??). Even with the new disc update a double layer DVD can't include a game with the same length of ME2...
What do you think about it?

well xbox is doing a new rom drive and i heard rumor it may  go with the blue ray technology. to me 1 disc or 2 discs it aint gona stop me from playing me3

[Jononarf]

I didn't see what was int he ME 2 package for xbox 360. Was it two discs? for PC it was a 2 disc installation.

[termokanden]

Of course I would be sad if ME3 had less content.

But in itself it's quite annoying with the 2 discs. I guess I see why they require you to switch mid-game but it still is a little bit silly when you installed both discs. Also, does it even make sense to install both? I guess it does but it is not particularly well-explained, and it's a bit weird how it sort of registers itself as 2 different games.

[Xerxes52]

I think 2 discs would be likely, hopefully they take after Forza and have the second disc be a content install disc only (you could also install the first disc of course), but the game would only run off the first disc.

[Abispa]

When I said ME1 was much longer than ME2, I meant if you did everything you possibly could do in each game. Yes, you could "breeze" through ME1 in about eight hours, but you could also "breeze" through ME2 in about six. The only difference was that if you skipped the loyalty missions in ME2, your team would definitely lose a bunch of people and you could wind up with the martyr ending for Shepard. But it could still be done.

[Fredvdp]

Iamnotahater wrote...

Buy a PC?

The biggest problem with mutliple discs was not the disc swap but that the game was cut in two parts and you can't decide in which order you recruit some of your squad. This problem is in all version of ME2.

[vx SmOkEy xv]

Why are you people complaining about the amount of disks ME 3 might be?
Whats the first thing you think when you buy a game and you open the case and see multiple disks. you see disk 1, disk 2.
You think: Damn! This is gonna be a long game!!
Think back to the PS1. final fantasy - 4 DISKS!!!!! did it bother you? Nope
Shenmue - Dreamcast. 4 DISKS!!! did it bother you? Nope
Mass effect 3 could be 8 disks.... i still would not be bothered.

[Tasker]

It's a shame they couldn't do a Forza...

Put extra non essential stuff such as N7 missions on disc 2 which you are prompted to install to the hard drive the moment you put disc 1 in, then have the main game on Disc 1 so that you can leave it in the drive without having to swap for the disc 2 stuff.

Doing it this way bypasses the Microsoft " Not everybody has a hard drive, so you have to run it off disc " crap. ( Which is just bloody stupid anyway as they are essential in my eyes and anyone that hasn't got one is doing themselves an injustice. )

Those that have hardrives can install and play without interuption, and yet those taht don't can still run it off disc. ( Yes, they would have to swap more often but it's the price they pay for not having a hard drive in the first place.  

Modifié par Orkboy, 04 avril 2011 - 12:23 .

[Irrepressible]

Abispa wrote...

When I said ME1 was much longer than ME2, I meant if you did everything you possibly could do in each game. Yes, you could "breeze" through ME1 in about eight hours, but you could also "breeze" through ME2 in about six. The only difference was that if you skipped the loyalty missions in ME2, your team would definitely lose a bunch of people and you could wind up with the martyr ending for Shepard. But it could still be done.

No, you could breeze through ME1 in 4 hours.

Having done everything possible on both games multiple times, i'm failing to see how ME1 is a longer game? 
Sure, the side missions took more time in ME1 than it did in ME2, considering the UNC missions were longer and there were more of them than the ME2's N7 missions. That said, with your above post you seem to be classifying Loyalty missions as side missions so then ME2's still take more time, and that's even taking into account the large amount of pointless travel involved in ME1.

ME1 you could do everything in about 15 hours. ME2 takes around 10 hours longer. I'm actually intrigued how you've managed to drag ME1 (a 1 disc game) out so it lasts longer than ME2 (a 2 disc game)?

Modifié par Irrepressible, 04 avril 2011 - 01:06 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Honestly it doesn't matter to me if it's on one disc or three, as long as it's a great game.

[G00N3R7883]

Didn't some people complain in ME2 because they had to change the discs (a grand total of 2 times)? I hope Bioware ignore those lazy people.

You can't fit this much awesome onto 1 disc!

Seeing as the thread has turned into another PC vs Console debate ... I play Mass Effect on 360 but I wish I was on PC. Its so much easier to aim with mouse & keyboard than with a pad. Sadly ME1 came out on 360 months before PC so that is where "my" Shepard is stored.

Modifié par G00N3R7883, 04 avril 2011 - 03:24 .

[Paul Sedgmore]

Ty2011 wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...
Then you would also need to take into account the fact that not every country has a good broadband service. Just take the UK, some sources say that the average broadband speed for the UK is 6.3Mb/s which isn't great, then you would also loose any potential customers who are unable to connect consoles to the internet.

Fair enough. But I feel downloading should still be an option for those that it would benefit.

I agree that the option should still be there and Microsoft have the outlet with Games on Demand but for some reason they always release games on this service some time after the initial release, I have no idea why.

ReconTeam wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...
Won't happen, the 360 does a disc check when you need to change discs and won't continue without the correct disc in the drive even if you have all discs installed 

Can't them or Microsoft work around that at least if one of the disks in in the drive?

This would be down to Microsoft, it would be fairly easy to bypass the the restiction however I don't think Microsoft will change their stance on this any time soon.

Modifié par Paul Sedgmore, 04 avril 2011 - 03:33 .

[Xerxes52]

Orkboy wrote...

It's a shame they couldn't do a Forza...

Put extra non essential stuff such as N7 missions on disc 2 which you are prompted to install to the hard drive the moment you put disc 1 in, then have the main game on Disc 1 so that you can leave it in the drive without having to swap for the disc 2 stuff.

Doing it this way bypasses the Microsoft " Not everybody has a hard drive, so you have to run it off disc " crap. ( Which is just bloody stupid anyway as they are essential in my eyes and anyone that hasn't got one is doing themselves an injustice. )

Those that have hardrives can install and play without interuption, and yet those taht don't can still run it off disc. ( Yes, they would have to swap more often but it's the price they pay for not having a hard drive in the first place.  

Which is completely hypocritical in my eyes (bolded part). Microsoft lets their golden boy Bungie require players to have a hard drive in order to even run firefight or any sort of co-op (they got a metric ton of complaints back on their website when Reach first came out).

Modifié par Xerxes52, 04 avril 2011 - 03:50 .

[Raizo]

I would be very dissapointed. 1 disc would probably mean less dialogue in the overall game which in return would mean less branching choices and less variations to various situations. If anything ME3 should be on 3 discs or possibly even more.

[Thetri]

Mass Effect 2 was short. It took me 22 hours to beat the main story, most of the side missions, Arrival, Kasumi DLC, and Zaed(mind my spelling) DLC. Its two discs on 360 because of the quality of the presentation(graphics, physics, etc.)

[MarchWaltz]

If it has multiple disks, they can just let us install all but one disk on the hard drive so we can play on one disk.

I think the new castlevania game did this.

[Raizo]

MarchWaltz wrote...

If it has multiple disks, they can just let us install all but one disk on the hard drive so we can play on one disk.

I think the new Castlevania game did this.

Funny, I remember someone else on another forum mentioning this but whenever I try and play an earlier mission in Castlevania:LOS my 360 demands that I switch discs even though I have both discs installed to my harddrive. I'm either not doing it properly or this rumour is bs.